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I too wish to express my condolences to the family and park guests who were there, but most of all to the ride operators, who will be second guessing the dispatch of that train and if they forgot to check something for a long time even if it's not their fault and is rider error. We know next to nothing yet, so I'm not speculating.

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Lets find out an actual cause before deciding who is liable.

 

Exactly. Way too many people like to jump the gun on the Internet when terrible events like this happen. Let the investigation unfold.

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I know RMC didn't design the trains, but they still put the trains on their coaster so they definitely assume some liability for the accident. It might not directly be their fault, but when this lady's family decides to sue (and you know they will, rightfully so), Six Flags and RMI will definitely be the main parties charged. RMC is the primary manufacturer and SFI is the operator of the ride. I'm not a lawyer, but after that I would assume Gerstlauer would be thrown in as well.

 

In the end, RMC might not be the party responsible, but I guarantee they will be brought to court. They'll have to prove they weren't the main party responsible but I would assume they would hold some liability since it is their coaster regardless if they made the trains or not.

 

Why are saying stupid stuff? The park maintains the trains per Gerstlaure specs. RMC built the track. They do not operate the ride, inspect the trains, nor perform maintenance on the ride. Please don't start something.

 

I'm just trying to say that people saying RMC are safe just because they didn't make the trains are wrong. Let me be clear that I'm not pointing fingers at anyone, but they are still the manufacturer of the ride and contracted out to get the trains made so there is still some accountability there.

 

EDIT: If it turns out it was something maintenance failed to catch, it's a whole different story. But I'm just saying its way too early to say RMC is safe even if they didn't make the trains.

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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

No seat belts.

 

Anyone know if Iron Rattler is still operating?

 

 

I have a friend that works in rides at Fiesta Texas and is working now, he said the ride is closed but can not go into any more details about anything going on with the ride at this time.

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You also can bet all other rides with similar Gerstlauer trains (at least the ones with hydraulic restraints) will be shut down pending investigations.

 

So what other kinds are used for the restraints systems (not on Gerstlauer)?

 

The typical ratcheting systems used on other trains (like B&Ms for example).

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I trust in RMC for making their coaster safe. As of Gerstlauer, no seat belts are pretty scary, started to worried about that since Smiler.

 

Regardless of how scary it seems, per ASTM standards seat belts aren't required as long as the restraint has a redundant locking system. I'm not familiar with the RMC trains, but I do know any coaster with negative g's requires this so I would assume these trains are no different.

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I trust in RMC for making their coaster safe. As of Gerstlauer, no seat belts are pretty scary, started to worried about that since Smiler.

 

Meh, if I recall seatbelts are usually added primarily as a means of detecting if the lapbar is down far enough. Them being a backup restraint is just an added benefit. The Gerslauer trains on NTG used electronic sensors and an indicator light to let operators know if the lapbar was safely down enough.

 

Hydraulic lapbars have redundancy built-in through separate hydraulic lines.

 

But again, it's still way too early to be pointing the blame to any component or system. Let's let the experts do their investigation.

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^^Oh, believe me. The GP have sworn off coasters now, if you go by twitter. Also, they keep posting pictures from back when the coaster was fully wood. I had to stop reading the tweets, it was so stupid.

 

On one hand, I don't trust the media and their tendency to totally skew what the truth really is, and how so many people actually believe it without looking for the facts for themselves. But on the other hand, we all know how short of an attention span we have. Just wait until we get the next bit of news on Edward Snowden and everyone except for her friends, family, and those who saw the event will have forgotten about it.

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I won't start pointing any fingers until more details are released, but in any case this is extremely sad for the woman's family and friends, as well as the park and ride operators and any witnesses. I know I'd be traumatized if I witnessed an accident like that.

Unfortunately the GP are going nuts over this and I'm sure the media will too soon, definitely doesn't look good for Six Flags, RMC or Gerstlauer at this stage, regardless of who was actually at fault here.

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I trust in RMC for making their coaster safe. As of Gerstlauer, no seat belts are pretty scary, started to worried about that since Smiler.

 

Meh, if I recall seatbelts are usually added primarily as a means of detecting if the lapbar is down far enough. Them being a backup restraint is just an added benefit. The Gerslauer trains on NTAG used electronic sensors and an indicator light to let operators know if the lapbar was safely down enough.

 

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The lights turn on to indicate that the lapbars are locked, but they do not indicate if they are properly down all the way. I am not speculating that this was the case here, but just clarifying the light sensors.

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The problem with the internet is that it gives everyone a platform to spew stupidity without having the facts. Then people will continue to spew stupidity when they have half the facts. And even when all the facts are revealed they make dumber comments by taking everything out of context.

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I trust in RMC for making their coaster safe. As of Gerstlauer, no seat belts are pretty scary, started to worried about that since Smiler.

 

Meh, if I recall seatbelts are usually added primarily as a means of detecting if the lapbar is down far enough. Them being a backup restraint is just an added benefit. The Gerslauer trains on NTAG used electronic sensors and an indicator light to let operators know if the lapbar was safely down enough.

 

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The lights turn on to indicate that the lapbars are locked, but they do not indicate if they are properly down all the way. I am not speculating that this was the case here, but just clarifying the light sensors.

 

Like on some S&S towers where the bulb lights up above the rider's seat when the restraint is locked?

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Yah, yikes.

 

Update at 9:10 p.m.: Our Tanya Eiserer spoke with Carmen Brown of Arlington, who says she was next in line to ride the Texas Giant behind the woman who fell to her death this evening. She told Tanya she witnessed the woman being strapped into the ride. She was sitting next to her son.

 

The woman, said Brown, “basically tumbled over and you just see her son [go], ‘Ahhh.’ They didn’t secure her right. One of the employes from the park — one of the ladies — she asked her to click her more than once, and they were like, ‘As long you heard it click, You’re OK.’ Everybody else is like, ‘Click, click, click.’ Hers only clicked once. Hers was the only one that went down once, and she didn’t feel safe, but they let her still get on the ride. …

 

“That could have been me.”

 

Brown said the woman’s young son was in a seat in front of his mother.

 

“We heard her screaming,” Brown said. “We were like, ‘Did she just fall?’”

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Yah, yikes.

 

Update at 9:10 p.m.: Our Tanya Eiserer spoke with Carmen Brown of Arlington, who says she was next in line to ride the Texas Giant behind the woman who fell to her death this evening. She told Tanya she witnessed the woman being strapped into the ride. She was sitting next to her son.

 

The woman, said Brown, “basically tumbled over and you just see her son [go], ‘Ahhh.’ They didn’t secure her right. One of the employes from the park — one of the ladies — she asked her to click her more than once, and they were like, ‘As long you heard it click, You’re OK.’ Everybody else is like, ‘Click, click, click.’ Hers only clicked once. Hers was the only one that went down once, and she didn’t feel safe, but they let her still get on the ride. …

 

“That could have been me.”

 

Brown said the woman’s young son was in a seat in front of his mother.

 

“We heard her screaming,” Brown said. “We were like, ‘Did she just fall?’”

This report can't be right. Those trains don't "click" because they use a hydraulic locking system. No employee would ever say "As long as you heard it click" because you'd NEVER hear it click. Now they are just making stuff up.

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Holy crap that's terrible. I sometimes try to get a little extra room so I can get a little better airtime, but if she told the employee she didn't feel safe and they didn't make her seatbelt tighter, that is absolutely awful.

 

EDIT: Sounds like that's not true, but if it is, that's awful.

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Everybody else is like, ‘Click, click, click.’ Hers only clicked once. Hers was the only one that went down once, and she didn’t feel safe, but they let her still get on the ride. …

 

Uh, don't get me wrong guys but...if you don't feel safe and only clicked once, wouldn't common sense tell you to push it down more so you are secure? Does NTAG's restraints allow for further pushing down once locked? Every ride I've been on allows for further tightening..which typically happens a lot during mid ride via forces. I've also 'stapled' myself when going up the lift when I felt it was necessary... NTAG is not a coaster I'd mess around with a single click on.

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I'm deeply saddened by this horrific tragedy. SFOT is my home park and I have had season passes going back to the mid 70's. I still have vivid memories of the last tragic accident at the park during the mid 80's when a woman died on the Roaring Rapids ride. My prayers are with the family of the woman who died tonight.

 

As for NTAG, I assume it will be closed for the remainder of the season. Rightfully so. If this turns out to be a design flaw with the restraint system then iRat should be closed as well, as should Outlaw Run. It will take time to design and implement new restraint systems for these rides.

 

My thoughts and prayers are with all those involved in this terrible tragedy.

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