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You did read that the guy can do pull ups and fire a gun? Sounds like he can hold on to me. Interesting that it wasn't until months after the incident SFOT had a policy about having a full arm.

 

And short of getting his life/medical history, how is a ride op supposed to make such a decision to let someone ride who is missing their extremities? They're ride operators, not doctors, and they need to be consistent in following straight-forward safety policies. They made the safe, conservative judgment call which is the better decision to make when dealing with guest safety.

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You did read that the guy can do pull ups and fire a gun? Sounds like he can hold on to me. Interesting that it wasn't until months after the incident SFOT had a policy about having a full arm.

Right. But proving you can do pull ups and fire a gun isn't something that a ride op trying to board people onto a ride isn't going to know. Regardless of the rules stated in a guidebook, if a ride op or a supervisor makes a judgement call that it would not be safe for someone to ride based on a disability, I feel that person needs to understand and appreciate that those people are looking out for their lives. It's ridiculous that anyone, I don't care what the condition is, would try to sue over something like this.

 

People often forget that amusement park rides are just giant machines that will spare you no mercy and kill you if something were to go wrong. Someone else said it best in this thread:

 

I think some people with disabilities (my mother is one of them) decide to cry wolf and claim discrimination because they aren't allowed to do certain activities. I am of the opinion that if a person is told they cannot ride due to a safety hazard, they agreed to that sort of selectivity by park officials when they purchased their ticket and entered the park. I

 

I agree this is exactly what has happened here. The article states that the guy is suing because it caused him embarrassment and "mental anguish" - Oh, please. It says he's lived with this condition since he was a child, and now he's a grown adult with two kids. I highly doubt this is the first time he's dealt with something like this. It makes me sick the things people will claim in order to get attention and/or money.

 

--Robb

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I think that the best way for parks to handle situations like these is to have very specific guidelines for each ride that the ride ops are trained in. Those guidelines should be determined by safety experts. And yes, the guidelines should try to allow as many people as possible to ride each ride safely. But safety is the key. Unfortunately, such guidelines have to try to account for all situations, so even if one person has more mobility than others, it's not fair to leave ride ops to try to judge each individual situation. That's a recipe for disaster, literally.

 

If the park did all of this in this situation, then the person doesn't really have any case, sad as it may be.

 

If not, then it's more of a grey area.

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In this case, I take the most issue with the following excerpt from the lawyer, "On the other hand, the policy is under-inclusive because it says nothing about those who have hands but choose not to hold on."

 

I find it somewhat ironic that the lawyer's statement included the phrase, "on the other hand".

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Not trying to be rude, but there is no "grey area". First off, I have been with someone who has been refused access to a certain attraction after being allowed on all others in the same park, due to a broken leg in a walking cast. Second, Park Ride Operators, by their very license, are both encouraged, and required to judge whether a rider can safely participate in an attraction or not. There should be NO CASE in this matter, and previous park experiences can not stand to vouchsafe for this man's ability to ride. It is harsh to say, but I believe that except in cases where the park or manufacturer was clearly at fault (i.e. "Superman TOP" at SFKK, or "Terminal Velocity" at Extreme World), buying a ticket to a theme park should constitute an immediate and binding non-arbitration clause between the customer and the theme park.

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The last time a disabled person thought they were OK to ride a ride, he unforunately fell out and died (S:ROS), and Six Flags probably does not want another one of these stints on their records. This person in question this time has legs, so falling out isn't a possibilty, but say the forces on Aquaman are too strong for him upon impact with the water and he is unable to grasp his lap bar, he could get a serious head injury if his body is thrust forward duue to inertia. So he can shoot a gun, awesome! But he can't GRASP a lap bar. Plus, Aquaman is a water ride, so the restraint will be wet and slippery (considering the restraint is metal). I think SFOT had every right to deny him the ability to ride. It's just one of those "better safe than sorry" scenarios.

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I think people are reading too far into the park changing its policy. Manufacturers actually set the requirements. I'm sure all that happened was that the park got sued and then went to the manufacturer to seek further clarification.

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I have great respect for the purpose of the ADA. The more people who can safely enjoy rides and attractions, the better. However, I believe some of the benefactors from the ADA have taken things to an extreme in some cases.

 

In this case, I take the most issue with the following excerpt from the lawyer, "On the other hand, the policy is under-inclusive because it says nothing about those who have hands but choose not to hold on." Before making such a statement, I think some research is necessary. Restrictions that require having hands, feet, arms, legs, etc. are put in place in the case of emergency evacuation like others have mentioned, or they exist because these extremities are needed for the restraints to function properly. This statement basically comes off to me as a poor excuse to whine and try to fault others because something didn't turn out as you wanted it to. For the case of Aquaman Splashdown, I'm not defending whether or not Six Flags violated ADA, as I'm not an expert on the ADA (I just follow their guidelines as best I can). Actually, it could be possible that Six Flags may have not made the new policy for that ride. Maybe it was a combination of their insurance provider or the State of Texas? Overall, I take issue with how the lawyer is stating the case against SFoT.

 

It is the Lawyer's job to make an argument. It is the judge's call to see through the BS of that argument and rip it to shreds. As long as the six flag's legal team provides sufficient reasons as to why riders need their hands (IE, riders can choose to not hold onto the lap bars, but still have that option where as riders with no hands don't have an option at all) or for various other reasons, the judge will typically rule in their favor.

 

Likely, this man's legal team will recommend to drag the case out until SF has had enough and will settle out of court. As a result no precedent will be set and will leave the next person who is "discriminated" against the ability to sue.

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The last time a disabled person thought they were OK to ride a ride, he unforunately fell out and died (S:ROS), and Six Flags probably does not want another one of these stints on their records. This person in question this time has legs, so falling out isn't a possibilty, but say the forces on Aquaman are too strong for him upon impact with the water and he is unable to grasp his lap bar, he could get a serious head injury if his body is thrust forward duue to inertia. So he can shoot a gun, awesome! But he can't GRASP a lap bar. Plus, Aquaman is a water ride, so the restraint will be wet and slippery (considering the restraint is metal). I think SFOT had every right to deny him the ability to ride. It's just one of those "better safe than sorry" scenarios.

 

That incident had nothing to do with Six Flags for the record, unless you're talking about the incident with the man that had cerebral palsy that fell out (which Six Flags blamed on the operator).

 

From my understanding, just about every coaster manufacturer out there requires at least one full functioning arm to be permitted on their rides. For those that don't, there's also a set of standards (ASTM) that both parks and manufacturers abide by with their rides. I'd have to double check, but I'm pretty sure this is an industry wide rule with needing to have one arm to ride these types of rides. These standards are there for a reason, and just because the man claims he can do pull ups or whatever else, rules are rules. ASTM standards are put together by the entire industry, so it's not just Six Flags who this kind of stuff is happening to either. Just look at Universal, they were getting sued for not allowing two men on the Mummy that had leg amputations (after the Darien Lake incident nonetheless), and that's a ride that physically requires legs to be adequately restrained.

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As indicated above, my new home park was slammed yesterday due to a super cheap opening weekend price. As Joco07 and I saw, the park is still making a lot of changes, changes for the better, changes that I'm about to show you, one of which is an all day unlimited soft drink wristband for souvenir cups price at $3.99.

 

So ready, set, foto!

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La Vibrator in its new colors, the pods have also been repainted.

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Wowzers. Thankfully they weren't actually using the fingerprint readers.

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Inside the park we took a right and what did we find? Our first change! No more ice cream, this will soon be Funnel Cakes.

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There are also changes in progress to the retail center. Can't say what's going in there just yet.

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Granny is now making fries instead of cakes

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And pricing for those curious.

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One of the newstands taking the place of ice cream

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Talked to the dippin' dots guy; he said they were putting in an aquatrax in 2015

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But across from him you will find a shiney new Coca Cola stand. Look familiar?

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And this is what it looks like when its open. First five people to tell me where these originated at will get a park map. Woot, big prize. (Government workers don't make a lot of cash!)

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Meanwhile, something I didn't show at Holiday in the park, but new signage went in.

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Oh yeah, you wouldn't know it because this thing is in the way, but the arcade has been cleaned up and opened up.

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Also new this year.....DOLE WHIP!

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Holy crap it's huge!

 

(That's what she said)

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Moving past the line we spotted Elmo.

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Everyone was waiting for batman to open up. Temps were right at the minimum that it could run, 41 and he was having none of it. But after a little talking to, batman came outta the bat cave. Refurbished signs can also be found in the bat area this year.

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Moving on to Flashback. Oh. Wait.

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Have fun with it SFStL!

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One day you will be gone too.

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Moving over to the parachutes. Oh. Wait.

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Move over chutes (or fall over) it's time for 400ft of fun!

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So yeah, there is the progress, and that's about where it's gonna stay for a few weeks. Those who know anything about large concrete pours know they must cure.

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And I believe this was a recent pour. If you still miss the parachutes, you can come by and say goodbye to the exit sing. It's still over there.

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Breyers has moved in and the clocktower is getting painted. Taking it back old school.

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Back to batland we found the new lock up your stuff for an hourly fee machines.

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But they didn't put a ton of them in, at least not yet. So either they aren't going to or they didn't have enough to go around. Time will tell.

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Batman!!

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And for the second year in a row, Joco07 and I were the first public riders of the year on Mr. Freeze, reverse blast. Not sure if that's a major accomplishment or not, but we are going with it is.

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This is listed as Corn Dog Stand 1, anyone know where Stand 2 is? There are 2 of them, we just couldn't find Stand 2. Very roller coaster tycoon like.

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It's back to school weekend!!! What?!?! Wait. It's March. hmmmmm

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The day turned out to be quite nice, the park was busy.

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Adios from Texas. And if you like this report any at all, please kick me a few bucks to coasting for kids.

 

 

 

but wait....there's more!

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on the way out of the parking lot....

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we ran across some colorful pieces...

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Yup, laddies and gents Texas Star Flyer has started to arrive!

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I'm thinking this part goes into the ground somehow.

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Or not

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But when it gets down to it, who really cares?

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Because the 400ft tall poop your pants Star Flyer is here!!

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Praise be to Anton. Amen.

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Thanks for the update! Btw I'm pretty sure that me and my buddy were right behinde you waiting in line before Freeze opened cause we were also the first riders on Freeze for 2013 lol. I think y'all sit in the front while we chose the back. But anyways nice pics, and the park was looking good yesterday with all the work and new stands.

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I was there yesterday. I honestly expected crowds to be much worse. It was chilly early in the day and the wind was sharp, but by mid afternoon it turned out to be pretty nice.

 

My wife and I took our 2 year-old daughter for her first time, so for us, the day was really all about her and we spent most of our time on flat rides. We have raised a little daredevil and she was a hard one to please. While she said she enjoyed every ride we took her on, it really took a lot to crack a smile from her on a ride. Her favorite rides were easily the Conquistador and Sombrero. We sat on the second row from the end on the Conquistador and she had an absolute blast on it. There was a boy on there that was probably 4 or 5 sitting in the middle freaking out. We had to laugh when his mom was all, "Look at that little girl there with her hands up ready to go." Of the 2 coasters she can ride, she preferred the Mini Mine Train over the Canyon Blaster.

 

As we worked our way back to the Texas section, we noticed that the line for Texas Giant wasn't bad, so we hopped in. My daughter fell asleep while we were in line, so the timing was great to give her a little nap. I rode first and when I got back to the station to do the hand-off, she had woken up and was wanting to ride it. I'm sure she'll love it when she gets the chance in a couple years. My wife and I both agreed that we needed that adrenaline kick it gave us.

 

Giant was the only big coaster we took in, and I was fine with that. It was all about my daughter on this trip, but I wasn't going to leave the park without at least one ride on it. It was great to see the magic of a child's first visit to an amusement park and it was really a great day for it. Looney Tunes Land wasn't the madhouse we usually experience and the lines for the rides we were on were all pretty short. It was a fun, relaxing day. We left around 5:00 and headed for dinner at one of our favorite places in south Arlington and then hit the road to come home.

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Did anyone else notice these stickers added to the ride signs?

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Wowzers. Thankfully they weren't actually using the fingerprint readers.

Are they fingerprint readers or biometric readers? This is usually a common misconception when people go to Disney and they say "I can't believe they are taking my fingerprint", because that's actually not what they are doing. Just wasn't sure if it's the same case here or if for some reason they are actually taking your finger print at Six Flags!

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Nice to see the park focusing on capital improvements for once in addition to the new ride. But now I have a bunch of extra work to update all my site's dining location pages.

 

And was Newman's really listed as corn dog stand 1 on the map or something? Bizarre. "Stand 2" would have to refer to the Tower location.

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^^They are of the biometric variety and supposedly will only be used for pass holders. Of course like you mentioned, most of the public doesn't know the difference.

 

But being Six Flags it wouldn't surprise me if one day they switched to fingerprint scanners, aftetall they now have ride ops doing the "sprinkler" as part of the infamous visual scan...

 

^ Its listed that way on employee information cards

 

On a side note, NTAG is not using the continuous loading.

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Nothing here, move along, or, go back one page, heck this could even be deleted if someone was so inclined OR better yet, if you liked my awesome opening day report, clicky the coasting for kids banner and donate a few bucks! It's for the Children!

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Thanks for the update. I approve of all the food stand pictures.

 

Wowzers. Thankfully they weren't actually using the fingerprint readers.

Are they fingerprint readers or biometric readers? This is usually a common misconception when people go to Disney and they say "I can't believe they are taking my fingerprint", because that's actually not what they are doing. Just wasn't sure if it's the same case here or if for some reason they are actually taking your finger print at Six Flags!

 

Yeah, I hate it when people think they take your fingerprints. They actually take your DNA and implant an RFID so they can control your every thought.

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