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P.. 420: Pirates of Speelunker Cave announced for 2022!

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I have mixed feelings now that I've read the glowing reviews.... The $10mil price tag is really steep, but this was a learning curve project, and part of the expense involved the labor-intensive process of removing part of the existing structure without damaging it, retrofitting new supports onto the structure, figuring out and engineering a new layout that fit onto the previous layout's footprint, etc etc etc.

The cost should be considerably less when the coaster can be designed and built from a clean slate and construction doesn't have to tiptoe around what's already there.

The mixed feelings come from the suspicion that as this technology becomes cheaper to produce (and that happens to all new tech), that the number of parks willing to build a classic wooden coaster will diminish drastically. If they can, for a slight percentage more upfront, have a smooth, low-maintenance, crowd-pleasing ride, then why would they build a coaster that will cost much more to maintain and has the potential of deteriorating into an unridable mess?

 

I love the classic wood coaster experience and while I know that there are park owners out there who are of like mind and will continue to pamper their wooden creations and maybe even build new ones, I fear that a lot of parks will now say "build one of those Iron Horse rides instead of a woodie" or will give up on maintaining their existing rides when the costs escalate, figuring "why spend the money to keep it up when we can just Iron Horse it and be done"....

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I have mixed feelings now that I've read the glowing reviews.... The $10mil price tag is really steep, but this was a learning curve project, and part of the expense involved the labor-intensive process of removing part of the existing structure without damaging it, retrofitting new supports onto the structure, figuring out and engineering a new layout that fit onto the previous layout's footprint, etc etc etc.

The cost should be considerably less when the coaster can be designed and built from a clean slate and construction doesn't have to tiptoe around what's already there.

The mixed feelings come from the suspicion that as this technology becomes cheaper to produce (and that happens to all new tech), that the number of parks willing to build a classic wooden coaster will diminish drastically. If they can, for a slight percentage more upfront, have a smooth, low-maintenance, crowd-pleasing ride, then why would they build a coaster that will cost much more to maintain and has the potential of deteriorating into an unridable mess?

 

I love the classic wood coaster experience and while I know that there are park owners out there who are of like mind and will continue to pamper their wooden creations and maybe even build new ones, I fear that a lot of parks will now say "build one of those Iron Horse rides instead of a woodie" or will give up on maintaining their existing rides when the costs escalate, figuring "why spend the money to keep it up when we can just Iron Horse it and be done"....

 

It's not like GCI and Gravity Group are just going to stop though, they will be popular for a long time. GCIs age INCREDIBLY well and Gravity Group is building like what, 4 or 5 coasters this year?

 

What hapenned with Giant is pretty unique...I don't think we'll see it really happen else where but maybe a few select rides. However, I do think the topper track is what is going to become extremely popular on woodie...of course I'll have to wait and see how Rattler rides on Saturday before I pass more judgement. The future will be interesting, for sure!

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Being that it's a Hybrid roller coaster, why don't we just keep it in that category? Isn't it the first hybrid? What is California Screamin'?

 

This is not the first Hybrid coaster. I am not certain, the earliest I can think of off the top of my head with out digging around would be the Bobsleds at Sea Breeze in Rochester, NY. It was a wooden coaster that they replaced the wood track with a tubular steel track.

 

While I get what you're saying about it being a Hybrid, and though its been said many times on this thread...a coasters wood or steel category goes exclusively by the make up of the track, not by what is holding that track up. This is a steel coaster. Period. A Hybrid yes, but that's secondary. Hybrid always refers to a coaster that is made up of steel and wood, regardless if it has wood supports and steel track (like a mine train, or now the Texas Giant) or steel supports and a wood track (like the Voyage or Hades.). No Hybrid category. Coasters are steel or wood. The Hybrid is really not as important, nor as relevant, IMO. Peace!

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While it most definitely is a steel coaster, I will say this...It didn't feel like a wood coaster. It didn't feel like a steel coaster. It really did, to me, feel like something completely new. I'm just not sure how to describe it.

 

Anyways, I'm about to pass out after getting no sleep, driving around 500 miles, and doing the shoot all day. I'll post my review when I wake up, I promise

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It has to give a little more than a typical Steel coaster. Look at Rattler, it got topper track, it's probably still going to bend quite a bit. Watch an Intamin steel coaster sometime, very solid. Sure there is a little give but a whole lot less than a wooden coaster. Supports make a huge contribution to how the ride rides. Even though there are steel on wood hybrids, nothing out there is like this and at this point I don't think anything can compare.

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While it most definitely is a steel coaster, I will say this...It didn't feel like a wood coaster. It didn't feel like a steel coaster. It really did, to me, feel like something completely new. I'm just not sure how to describe it.

Would you say it's sort of similar to other steel coasters with wooden supports in the way it rides (Cedar Point's Gemini for example)?

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Well considering he said it was smooth, and VF's Excalibur, which is the same type of coaster as Gemini, is rough, I would say probably not.

 

I've been on both of the coasters you listed, and I can tell you from first hand experience, there is no comparison between the two IMO. Excalibur gives me a head ache after one ride and is not so much rough as it vibrates wickedly. Gemini is very smooth, much like a mine train coaster, IMO. I'll ride Gemini over and over, Excalibur not so much. So, no there is no comparison other than they are both steel hybrids that were made by Arrow.

 

I have a feeling after reading what the lucky riders wrote earlier that it feels nothing like any other steel tracked hybrid. Peace!

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If you plan on going the day this ride opens, I must say that it is well worth the wait that there is most likely going to be on it! So much airtime, nothing to really compare it to in the entire park. The ride is super smooth and there were only 1 or 2 rough spots on the 5 times I rode it in the 2nd to back row. By far the most airtime I have encountered yet on a coaster yet and the banked turns were just amazing. The drop offers A LOT of airtime, as when you are in the back you're out of your seat for almost the entire drop. Seats are extremely comfortable, but I wouldn't offer advice to try and ride it if you are a larger build. Lap bars are like on Millennium Force, TTD or THBS, I would recommended to push it close to all the way down, as you still get a lot of airtime. Otherwise, great ride and personally rated 5 stars.

 

Did we ride the same New Texas Giant today? It was silky smooth and I didn't notice any rough spots at all (all of my rides were front or very back). Also, your comparison to MF and TTD is nothing but furthest from the truth. These lapbars don't "click" or anything...they lock as every little bit they are lowered down. I'm 6' and 260 lbs and barely fit on MF/TTD but these trains and lapbars are SUPER compatible for larger guests. They lapbars fit nice and snug while still giving plenty of room for airtime because of their design. As soon as they touch your legs snugly the green lights on the train (4 of them located inbetween rows 1 and 2 of each car) light up. I LOVED the trains.

 

Now that I'm home, does anyone want a super detailed revier of the ride? Or is that giving too much away

 

Oh well, from what I remember on TTD and MF the lap bars don't click and they go down as far as you want it. For me, they were a little uncomfortable since I rode it about 6 times in a row, but what I meant by the rough spot was before the MCBR in the 2nd to last row (the only row I rode) there was a little shaking in the train itself (which isn't that big of a problem.) Otherwise, I felt that it was still a great ride. And I do guess the seats were comfortable for larger guests, not saying you're huge, but I mean for the larger waisted people as the seats aren't that large themselves. And yes, the lapbars do seem a larger on this ride then MF or TTD, but they don't coverup your pockets, so if you want to bring phones or accessories on the ride, I would advise you not to as my ride partner lost his phone on the ride.

 

Also, the leg restraints in the 1st car of every train do get a little annoying after riding it multiple times, as there is not much padding on them. Anyway, that shouldn't take away from the wow factor of the ride.

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^A cyborg coaster?

 

I'm encouraged by what I'm hearing about the Texas Giant. If the new track can make an old ride good or great again, the classification isn't important to me.

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