coasterbill Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 It's hardly the craftsmanship of a Windseeker. Because when I think quality craftsmanship, I think of Windseeker. Let's look at the pros of Starflyers and Windseekers real quick. I'll ignore the fact that I think the Starflyer provides a better ride since that's totally arbitrary but I think most people would agree with me. Staflyer - More accommodating restraints, I've never seen a "walk of shame" on one. On Windseekers it happens almost every cycle - Can run in extremely high winds - Much more reliable - Cheaper (by all accounts) - Don't routinely get stuck for hours at a time leading to national news stories at parks across the country which forced the rides to close down so they could build huge evacuation platforms that now need to be stored near the rides. - Don't have balancing issues that cause constant faults like Windseekers do Windseeker - Looks pretty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boldikus Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 Think that about sums it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCjunkie Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 ^^ After riding CP's, KI's and Adventureland's Windseeker's last year and now riding my first Star Flyer at VF this year I have to agree. Just an overall better experience and thrill. Not a ton better, but better in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fiestatexasfan Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 - Can run in extremely high winds Last December they were running the one at SFFT in 20 MPH wind. those seats were all over the place but they kept running it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cfc Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 I just cleaned up a lot of stupidity and name calling in this thread. Seems like I've had to do this quite a bit over the last few days. Sigh. Let's keep the conversation civil and focused on Six Flags Over Texas, please. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sportsdude360 Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 Anyone care to speculate as to what we'll get next year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vonni Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 ^ Perhaps a Spinsanity? Or maybe 2018 will be an "off" year for SFOT and a new show is in the works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sportsdude360 Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 ^ I'm thinking we'll get a new water coaster like Thunder Rapids for HH! I'm also thinking that 2018 might be the final operational year for Judge Roy Scream, to be replaced with a brand new GCI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoinItForTheFame Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 Anyone care to speculate as to what we'll get next year? Something new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eltoro Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 Anyone care to speculate as to what we'll get next year? SFOT has received the full array of the "big ticket " SF rides. They have a RMC, 4D Free Spin, Justice League, Skyscreamer, Discovery, and the only park to get an Endeavour. I'm on board with the notion of something small, hence an off year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sportsdude360 Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 Anyone care to speculate as to what we'll get next year? SFOT has received the full array of the "big ticket " SF rides. They have a RMC, 4D Free Spin, Justice League, Skyscreamer, Discovery, and the only park to get an Endeavour. I'm on board with the notion of something small, hence an off year. Hurricane Harbor hasn't gotten anything new in a while now. Which is why I'm thinking water coaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eskater132 Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 Anyone care to speculate as to what we'll get next year? SFOT has received the full array of the "big ticket " SF rides. They have a RMC, 4D Free Spin, Justice League, Skyscreamer, Discovery, and the only park to get an Endeavour. I'm on board with the notion of something small, hence an off year. I honestly am very disappointed with the last 6 years of installations because I had always hoped that the whole removal quest of Goodtimes Square would result in another massive, beautiful coaster, especially including the land of the old shopping center. Not a permanent installation of a traveling carnival. And because of Joker, now we have to wait at least ANOTHER five years for anything that *Six Flags co* thinks is a big ticket attraction. I don't understand why the original Six Flags park with great attendance and earnings barely ever gets a good coaster. The park is pretty much a half day park, and the only reason why it's ever considered a full day is because it's almost ALWAYS mobbed. There are only 3 roller coasters in the park that would be considered great and unique by the coaster community, obviously NTAG, Mr. Freeze, Shockwave. The rest are passable. And don't even get me started on the upkeep of the park lately. I'll say a few things about it, like the broken Runaway Mountain waterfall, Mr. Freeze animatronic just given up on, never turning the Danny Elfman music on in either Freeze or Batman, Boomtown and Gotham city smelling like a seafood dumpster, closed Titan restrooms, closed Texas arcade, Yosemite Sam falling apart, daily breaking of yet another effect in Justice League, on an on. Oh. And no more good Pink Things to ice the crap cake. I'm sorry for the rant, but it's time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vonni Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 ^ I can understand most of your frustrations, but I feel like most of it is subjective. For instance, my home park is SFStL and I would love to have just one of the awesome coasters SFOT has (and no, Flashback didn't count lol). We don't have a hyper, or an RMC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pproteinc Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 (edited) Don't know where to put this or if it's been posted but Duffey is out (retired) and Reid-Anderson is back in as CEO. Wonder if this changes anything. Just don't stop with the Zamperla discoveries please. http://investors.sixflags.com/corporate-governance/leadership Edited July 19, 2017 by pproteinc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eskater132 Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 Yeah, we can be frustrated together! It's just that the difference here, objectively, is that SFoT serves a 7 million plus metro area population, which is more than Atlanta for example, which has 4 B&Ms, possibly an upcoming RMC, one of the best Schwarzkopfs, and a Gerstlauer Eurofighter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vonni Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 Don't know where to put this or if it's been posted but Duffey is out (retired) and Reid-Anderson is back in as CEO. Wonder if this changes anything. Just don't stop with the Zamperla discoveries please. http://investors.sixflags.com/corporate-governance/leadership Well that didn't last long Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Lotologist492 Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 I honestly am very disappointed with the last 6 years of installations because I had always hoped that the whole removal quest of Goodtimes Square would result in another massive, beautiful coaster, especially including the land of the old shopping center. Not a permanent installation of a traveling carnival. And because of Joker, now we have to wait at least ANOTHER five years for anything that *Six Flags co* thinks is a big ticket attraction. I don't understand why the original Six Flags park with great attendance and earnings barely ever gets a good coaster. The park is pretty much a half day park, and the only reason why it's ever considered a full day is because it's almost ALWAYS mobbed. There are only 3 roller coasters in the park that would be considered great and unique by the coaster community, obviously NTAG, Mr. Freeze, Shockwave. The rest are passable. And don't even get me started on the upkeep of the park lately. I'll say a few things about it, like the broken Runaway Mountain waterfall, Mr. Freeze animatronic just given up on, never turning the Danny Elfman music on in either Freeze or Batman, Boomtown and Gotham city smelling like a seafood dumpster, closed Titan restrooms, closed Texas arcade, Yosemite Sam falling apart, daily breaking of yet another effect in Justice League, on an on. Oh. And no more good Pink Things to ice the crap cake. I'm sorry for the rant, but it's time. I really do not think there will be another 5-year coaster hiatus. The S&S Free Spins are actually inexpensive coasters with a small footprint. The Justice League was much, much more expensive. I agree with the lack of upkeep as I noticed a few elements of the JL missing and/or broken on my last visit. Maintenance seems to be a chain-wide problem but something they are trying to catch up on doing. I have to admit though the flat rides the park has added recently are quite impressive and are a far cry from 'carnival rides'. The Riddler's Revenge is way more extreme than many coasters and I sure hope OG gets one someday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eskater132 Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 You answered your own question. The park is profitable and well attendend. Therefore the park doesn't need large investments in order to maintain attendance levels and profit margins. It is far wiser for the company to take the capital that would have gone to a large expansion at an already sucessful park and send it to parks that are less successful in order to make them more profitable. Yeah I guess it's time for me to move to Sandusky. I'm so tired of being disappointed by Six Flags! Haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sportsdude360 Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 Yeah, we can be frustrated together! It's just that the difference here, objectively, is that SFoT serves a 7 million plus metro area population, which is more than Atlanta for example, which has 4 B&Ms, possibly an upcoming RMC, one of the best Schwarzkopfs, and a Gerstlauer Eurofighter. Uh, yes.... Well um.... I don't think we'll be getting a new Schwarzkopf! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eltoro Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 You answered your own question. The park is profitable and well attendend. Therefore the park doesn't need large investments in order to maintain attendance levels and profit margins. It is far wiser for the company to take the capital that would have gone to a large expansion at an already sucessful park and send it to parks that are less successful in order to make them more profitable. Except, that's not what SF Corporate does. The profitable and successful parks (GAm, MM, Adv, OT) get more and the less successful ones get scraps..ie...LaRonde, SFA, Stl, etc.. Then, there are the middle tier parks. Looking at the additions since 2011(post bankruptcy), there are clear corporate favorites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eskater132 Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 That was my perspective in my original rant. The ones that make sense to me are MM and GAdv in that the former is competing with seemingly millions of entertainment options and the latter is in the country's most populated area by far. My rant was based basically comparing SFGAm, SFoG, SFFT, and SFoT in which SFoT gets the least of those four lately. Let me just be clear in my dream for this park has been for years to have a B&M flyer around the pond next to Judge Roy Scream. I'm just bitter that it looks like Six Flags may never again spend $20+ million on a single ride anywhere, especially since we've had years of Cedar Fair installing these amazing coasters. I edited this post multiple times, sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eltoro Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 That was my perspective in my original rant. The ones that make sense to me are MM and GAdv in that the former is competing with seemingly millions of entertainment options and the latter is in the country's most populated area by far. My rant was based basically comparing SFGAm, SFoG, SFFT, and SFoT in which SFoT gets the least of those four lately. Let me just be clear in my dream for this park has been for years to have a B&M flyer around the pond next to Judge Roy Scream. I'm just bitter that it looks like Six Flags may never again spend $20+ million on a single ride anywhere, especially since we've had years of Cedar Fair installing these amazing coasters. I edited this post multiple times, sorry. SFOT has not actually got the least out of SFGAm, SFOG, SFFT, SFOT group lately IMO. I would say SFOG got the least. SFOG has no Discovery or 4D and are just now likely getting a RMC, something SFOT got long ago. Not to mention SFOT avoided the super loop, which SFOG didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eskater132 Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 Not to mention SFOT avoided the super loop, which SFOG didn't. Didn't a manager fight against a super loop years ago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superbatboy Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 That was my perspective in my original rant. The ones that make sense to me are MM and GAdv in that the former is competing with seemingly millions of entertainment options and the latter is in the country's most populated area by far. My rant was based basically comparing SFGAm, SFoG, SFFT, and SFoT in which SFoT gets the least of those four lately. Let me just be clear in my dream for this park has been for years to have a B&M flyer around the pond next to Judge Roy Scream. I'm just bitter that it looks like Six Flags may never again spend $20+ million on a single ride anywhere, especially since we've had years of Cedar Fair installing these amazing coasters. I edited this post multiple times, sorry. Just be glad your home park isn't WoF, VF, MA, or Dorney. SFOT has gotten a smorgasbord in comparison the past 6 years or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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