South Korea is facing unfortunate controversy due to 'Fast Pass' system

[Tim2009]

South Korea is facing unfortunate controversy due to 'Fast Pass' system. 

It started as one professor throwing a question in television program: "In capitalist society, more and more people buy time with money, and are these moves can be justified?" 

Some people who didn't agree with fast pass system stated these opinions: 

"If the person who came later enters first, it will be difficult for the children to understand."

"The problem is some people use money to take away someone else's time." 

 

However, I have to say, this Fast Pass system is necessary, for several reasons. 

1. "The problem is some people use money to take away someone else's time." 

-This is why many theme parks divide the line of fast pass with stand-by, so fast pass guests doesn't negatively affect stand-by guests. 

2. "If the person who came later enters first, it will be difficult for the children to understand."

-Then, how would you tell children about VIP tours, Backstage tours and other exclusive experiences? 

3. People like foreign tourists and people who came from really far like countryside needs fast pass, as their visit can be final visit. 

Surely, I don't know why this became center of controversy in my country. 

I'm extremely confused... 

[prozach626]

It's the center of controversy worldwide.

 

"That's not fair" is an epidemic. Why should that person get an A, because they put in more work? Shouldn't we all get A's? I'm a victim of my own circumstances and chose not to take full advantage of I opportunities. Why should the person who worked hard get extra privileges? Why should my wife and I be able to skip past people, just because she has a high stress job, works from 9PM to 12 AM when our kid goes to bed? Why? Just because she went to college and sacrificed an immediate gratification lifestyle? Just because we didn't buy nice things, and instead paid off ten years of college immediately, while other people chose the route of high car payments?

Why should I be able to skip the lines, just because I worked full time in a factory while paying my way through school? Why should our daughter be able to reap the benefits of me working night shifts for months at a time in order to give my family a better life? It's bullshit and not fair. Other people need nicer houses. Better cars. Better clothes. Fast passes, no matter what life they chose.

I should actually give my pass to other people who didn't try as hard in life. I'm already happily going to pay a mortgage penalty fee soon, when we buy a new house. The extra $40 a month will go to people who've been able to enjoy living in the moment and spending their money paycheck to paycheck, instead of investing in life improvements. It's our fault for having no outstanding debt and paying what we owe. We shouldn't be able to have nicer things, just because we maintain an excellent credit score through our own disciplined lifestyle. 

We should all enjoy the same benefits no matter how hard we try. The chain smoking day drinking gas station clerk should actually get my fast pass. I need to buy his daughter's nice clothes, too. I'll keep working long hours. My wife doesn't need sleep. I'll gladly sign my new car over to whoever needs it. I paid for it in full, because I'm rich, despite "upper middle class" seeming less and less like that every year. The roach infested apartments from my very early childhood gave me privileges.

I don't deserve nice things. As long as everyone gets reap the same rewards I do, we'll all be happy. It will motivate me to work harder, longer, and strive for the wealth of other people.

None of this shit is localized like people think it is. 

[CedarFlags]

^^ Ignoring the HUGE cultural conversation of capitalism, the politics of class, who *deserves* to have recreation, and the implications of importing real world class divisions into recreational entertainment... the upcharge priority programs at theme parks are a business decision that comes with pros and cons.

When you created a two-tiered guest experience with these priority passes, you have to do a careful balancing act.  They can generate a good amount of extra revenue, and they're super valuable for guests who are on once-in-a-lifetime trips and trying to maximize how much they can do.

But... If higher tier guests get SO much priority that it detracts from the experience of the lower tier guests, the lower tier guests will eventually stop coming.  Disney (particularly Orlando) has been dealing with this problem for years.  The original FastPass™ was brilliant because it gave you the chance to skip lines, but it was equally available to all guests so nobody really felt like they were being cheated.  The problems started when Disney tried to monetize the program in various ways and now it's this whole monster.

[SharkTums]

8 hours ago, CedarFlags said:

^^ The problems started when Disney tried to monetize the program in various ways and now it's this whole monster.

Disney was probably one of the last parks on Earth to monetize the 'skip the line' programs so I really don't think they started the problem!

[Satans Hockey]

23 hours ago, prozach626 said:

It's the center of controversy worldwide.

 

"That's not fair" is an epidemic. Why should that person get an A, because they put in more work? Shouldn't we all get A's? I'm a victim of my own circumstances and chose not to take full advantage of I opportunities. Why should the person who worked hard get extra privileges? Why should my wife and I be able to skip past people, just because she has a high stress job, works from 9PM to 12 AM when our kid goes to bed? Why? Just because she went to college and sacrificed an immediate gratification lifestyle? Just because we didn't buy nice things, and instead paid off ten years of college immediately, while other people chose the route of high car payments?

Why should I be able to skip the lines, just because I worked full time in a factory while paying my way through school? Why should our daughter be able to reap the benefits of me working night shifts for months at a time in order to give my family a better life? It's bullshit and not fair. Other people need nicer houses. Better cars. Better clothes. Fast passes, no matter what life they chose.

I should actually give my pass to other people who didn't try as hard in life. I'm already happily going to pay a mortgage penalty fee soon, when we buy a new house. The extra $40 a month will go to people who've been able to enjoy living in the moment and spending their money paycheck to paycheck, instead of investing in life improvements. It's our fault for having no outstanding debt and paying what we owe. We shouldn't be able to have nicer things, just because we maintain an excellent credit score through our own disciplined lifestyle. 

We should all enjoy the same benefits no matter how hard we try. The chain smoking day drinking gas station clerk should actually get my fast pass. I need to buy his daughter's nice clothes, too. I'll keep working long hours. My wife doesn't need sleep. I'll gladly sign my new car over to whoever needs it. I paid for it in full, because I'm rich, despite "upper middle class" seeming less and less like that every year. The roach infested apartments from my very early childhood gave me privileges.

I don't deserve nice things. As long as everyone gets reap the same rewards I do, we'll all be happy. It will motivate me to work harder, longer, and strive for the wealth of other people.

None of this shit is localized like people think it is. 

 

This post is so far off the rails here but there's a lot to unpack in this post that has absolutely nothing to do with a fast pass system. You've made unnecessary comments in the past but this one tops the cake for you. 

You yap that this is a worldwide controversy yet all I see in your post is what the real biggest problem with our society is currently. Selfishness and a what about me and what I get attitude. Me, me, me and mine. 

Not everyone has the same opportunities to get ahead in life no matter how hard they work. Your attitude of how you see people is rather quite disgusting. Just because you worked hard doesn't mean you're better than a guy pumping gas, that guy is working and yet somehow he's a cigarette addicted alcoholic that's still an entitled drain on society to you.

Somehow people who don't go to college are automatically living the immediate gratification lifestyle and are out there just buying nice things and living it up. Wut? Lol this is absolutely delusional 

None of this shit is as simple as you seem to think it is. We get it, you don't like paying taxes, none of us really do, when we all know they piss away a lot of it and especially me when a lot of my taxes go to fund the police who also have these same awful entitled attitudes that many of them have, including yourself.

[Satans Hockey]

9 hours ago, SharkTums said:

Disney was probably one of the last parks on Earth to monetize the 'skip the line' programs so I really don't think they started the problem!

They were last to monetize it but weren't they the first to start a skip the line program and that's what gave the other chains the idea to eventually incorporate it and monetize it? Google doesn't really come up with the exact answers besides Disney starting the free skip the line pass in 99 and Cedar Fair starting their paid skip the line passes in 2011 at Kings Island and then 2012 everywhere else in the chain. 

[prozach626]

At least all of these people have the chance to laugh at fast pass users when they wait in 2 hour CP haunt lines.

  

19 hours ago, Satans Hockey said:

None of this shit is as simple as you seem to think it is.

Everything? Undoubtedly, no. Some circumstances? Yeah.

 

19 hours ago, Satans Hockey said:

a lot of my taxes go to fund the police who also have these same awful entitled attitudes that many of them have, including yourself.

There they are! There are the real feels! We're all the same! We all just fit into this little box packaged up for your evening news.

[AmyUD06]

19 minutes ago, prozach626 said:

At least all of these people have the chance to laugh at fast pass users when they wait in 2 hour CP haunt lines.

 

You mean while they're waiting in the 4+ hour standby line for the same ride?  I'm sure they'll be laughing.

[prozach626]

I see the irony in the diminishing returns... At some point it becomes not worth it, but that's different for everyone.

[Garet]

Just to add, since I don't think that many people visit the Everland TPR Thread, but it also contributes to the issue here in South Korea that's different to Disney or other parks:

Everland offers the chance to buy reservation times to skip the line as a paid upgrade, but the standby lines of the rides are actually closed until 2PM from the 3 headliners on weekdays (T Express/Safari/Lost Valley) to 8-11 rides on weekends. You can get one of those time-slots for free when you enter the park, but you have to be actually scanned into the park and they can run out 10-20 minutes after opening so to be scanned in early enough, you need to arrive at the park very early to be at the front of the entrance and get scanned in ASAP.

Throw in that the Safari ride closes at 6PM so you have a short window to join the queue... but  also runs a night safari for $20 a person that sells out online super fast. The new cars that were added to the ride were supposed to have 2 carriages a jeep but only have one so capacity is low which also has a big effect on availability. Last weekend was one of the busiest for the park and the line hit 300 minutes once the standby line opened 2PM.

 

It must make huge amounts for the park though. Example here: Saturday is already sold out, and Sunday literally has one ticket left for the Safari and these are about $90 a person to get 2 out of 3 headliners (T express and the 2 safari rides) and 3 smaller rides:

[CedarFlags]

On 5/6/2023 at 9:18 PM, SharkTums said:

Disney was probably one of the last parks on Earth to monetize the 'skip the line' programs so I really don't think they started the problem!

Yes and no.  They were the last one do to a true "pay to skip", but... I'm also considering the decision to let resort hotel guests book their FastPasses before other guests as a type of monetizing.  Original FP was truly free and equally available to everyone who paid for a park entry.  That also started the snowball effect of FP being a de facto requirement when visiting WDW because they had to add so many things to FP in order to even have enough reservations to give out.

[teacherkim]

11 hours ago, prozach626 said:

There they are! There are the real feels! We're all the same! We all just fit into this little box packaged up for your evening news.

But.......aren't you doing the same when you generalize people that live in "shithole" neighborhoods? (Your words in another thread) And before you say I don't know what I'm talking about I taught public school for 28 years in one of those types of neighborhoods.

[prozach626]

I'm certainly generalizing the types of people who intentionally turn shitholes into shitholes.