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I'm indifferent to what Universal has announced--and dubious as to the Fallon ride. But, as Robb said. maybe we'll be pleasantly surprised. It sounds like the park is becoming "Simulator Land," though.

 

This has to be a concern... "ride the movies" not "watch the movies whilst being shaken".

Maybe Hulk 2.0 also ends up incorporating those VR Headsets that were brought up in another thread not long ago. Seems like it would be a Universal kind of thing.

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^I don't think I ever want a coaster as intense as the hulk (at least the old one) to also mess with my spatial vision. Freaking vomit Comet.

 

I also think given the size and scale of Kong's building and the obvious theming work going in we'll be pleasantly surprised. Same with the large space for Fast and Furious and the interesting concept art for Volcano Bay. The Twister replacement...will probably be better than Twister! 4 major new additions in the next two years plus Sapphire falls and the Hulk complete replacement. That is so so so much more than most people's home parks receive and I have nothing to complain about.

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It's nice to see them replacing dated attractions. We'll have to wait and see how they turn out, but after 20 years of ownership changes and neglect, it's nice to see Comcast so invested in the parks around the world!

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I'm indifferent to what Universal has announced--and dubious as to the Fallon ride. But, as Robb said. maybe we'll be pleasantly surprised. It sounds like the park is becoming "Simulator Land," though.

 

From the park's perspective, it's a good strategy since the theaters and simulators can be shifted out with a new video while the animatronics would be harder to find a use for if the ride were to close.

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From the park's perspective, it's a good strategy since the theaters and simulators can be shifted out with a new video while the animatronics would be harder to find a use for if the ride were to close.

From the guest's perspective, it makes everything seem to be the same. I'd be incredibly bored if Universal kept putting simulators in.

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From the park's perspective, it's a good strategy since the theaters and simulators can be shifted out with a new video while the animatronics would be harder to find a use for if the ride were to close.

From the guest's perspective, it makes everything seem to be the same. I'd be incredibly bored if Universal kept putting simulators in.

 

Most of these rides aren't simulators though any more than any themed ride is a simulator. They're rides utilizing projections as effects. It seems to me that there's a generation bothered by this. Seeing people complain is kinda like watching at old school wood coaster enthusiasts coping with the technological progression of the 90s-2000s to me. Instead of complaining about buzz bars and inversions all being alike, they're upset that there aren't more big clunky animatronics.

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From the park's perspective, it's a good strategy since the theaters and simulators can be shifted out with a new video while the animatronics would be harder to find a use for if the ride were to close.

From the guest's perspective, it makes everything seem to be the same. I'd be incredibly bored if Universal kept putting simulators in.

 

Enthusiasts, yes I think they will get fed up of all these screen rides but for the GP I'm not so sure. As I mentioned earlier in this thread Lotte World have been putting extremely similar rides or upgrading existing screen ones as the new for the year rides for almost 7 years now and people still lap them up.

 

Existing when I came to Korea:

 

- Dynamic theater (3D movie simulator)

- Ghost House (static 3D movie)

- Desperados (2D shooting ride on a saddle that wobbles so simulator)

 

Added since 2010:

 

- Desperados 2 3D upgrade (3D shooting ride on a saddle that wobbles so simulator)

- 4d shooting theater (3D shooting ride on a seat that wobbles so simulator)

- Dragons Shooting (2D shooting ride at screens from a trackless vehicle)

- Wild River (simulator)

- Wild River (simulator)

- Wild Wings (simulator)

- Lottys Balloon Ride (360 degree screen)

- Beluga Talk (Lotte Worlds version of Turtle Talk)

 

Robb also pointed out how many both Universal parks have together, and you can now add Jimmy Fallon to the list by the sounds of it:

 

 

Just going off memory the amount of "media based" attractions at Universal:

- Spider-Man

- Transformers

- Gringotts

- Forbidden Journey (rumored to get the 3-D upgrade)

- Hogwarts Express

- Shrek

- Dispicable Me

- Terminator

- Simpsons

- Kong (rumored)

- Fast & Furious (rumored)

 

Personally, I'd like to see another non-media ride like Hulk, Men in Black, Ripsaw Falls, Jurassic Park, etc. I get that Universal is "ride the movies" but lately I feel like their rides are more themed around "watch the movies."

 

Crossing fingers that the Nintendo themed attractions bring us back to actual "rides."

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Most of these rides aren't simulators though any more than any themed ride is a simulator. They're rides utilizing projections as effects. It seems to me that there's a generation bothered by this. Seeing people complain is kinda like watching at old school wood coaster enthusiasts coping with the technological progression of the 90s-2000s to me. Instead of complaining about buzz bars and inversions all being alike, they're upset that there aren't more big clunky animatronics.

 

Well, that's not entirely the case with me. I still enjoy Curse of DarKastle at BGW, and (as I said earlier), I think Spider-man is still the best attraction at Universal,followed by Mummy and Men in Black. I can ride these attractions multiple times and still enjoy them. But simulators along the lines of Despicable Me (and what the Fallon ride will probably be) are usually "one and done"--never need to ride them again.

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"Media based" exist and are being actively pursued because what can be done with CGI and 3D video effects is dramatically better than 30-40-50 years ago. Animatronics are basically at a standstill in general development because the cost of building bigger or more advanced in terms of movement and doing so reliably beyond what presently exists is exorbitantly expensive. Spiderman can leap on the car because he's a video effect. There are very few robots anywhere in the world capable of leaving their feet to make a jump, and if they exist, they sure as hell aren't bipedal and capable of imitating a human.

 

If video screens on rides makes them simulators, then the only "true" rides you're probably gonna get in the next 5 years in Orlando will be Slinky Dog Coaster and coasters/flats built at the SeaWorld parks.

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Most of these rides aren't simulators though any more than any themed ride is a simulator. They're rides utilizing projections as effects. It seems to me that there's a generation bothered by this. Seeing people complain is kinda like watching at old school wood coaster enthusiasts coping with the technological progression of the 90s-2000s to me. Instead of complaining about buzz bars and inversions all being alike, they're upset that there aren't more big clunky animatronics.

 

Well, that's not entirely the case with me. I still enjoy Curse of DarKastle at BGW, and (as I said earlier), I think Spider-man is still the best attraction at Universal,followed by Mummy and Men in Black. I can ride these attractions multiple times and still enjoy them. But simulators along the lines of Despicable Me (and what the Fallon ride will probably be) are usually "one and done"--never need to ride them again.

 

Fallon is gonna be a Soarin' copycat that's basically the equivalent of a C-D ticket replacing a totally irrelevant attraction. If it's as good as some of the other Soarin' clones, that's still a huge improvement over Twister. And looking at Soarin', that thing constantly manages a huge line at Epcot. People LOVE IT. But it also doesn't really isn't much like what Universal has otherwise built in the last 10 years, as none of their new build attractions are classic stationary simulator based attractions.

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Most of these rides aren't simulators though any more than any themed ride is a simulator. They're rides utilizing projections as effects. It seems to me that there's a generation bothered by this. Seeing people complain is kinda like watching at old school wood coaster enthusiasts coping with the technological progression of the 90s-2000s to me. Instead of complaining about buzz bars and inversions all being alike, they're upset that there aren't more big clunky animatronics.

 

Well, that's not entirely the case with me. I still enjoy Curse of DarKastle at BGW, and (as I said earlier), I think Spider-man is still the best attraction at Universal,followed by Mummy and Men in Black. I can ride these attractions multiple times and still enjoy them. But simulators along the lines of Despicable Me (and what the Fallon ride will probably be) are usually "one and done"--never need to ride them again.

 

Fallon is gonna be a Soarin' copycat that's basically the equivalent of a C-D ticket replacing a totally irrelevant attraction. If it's as good as some of the other Soarin' clones, that's still a huge improvement over Twister. And looking at Soarin', that thing constantly manages a huge line at Epcot. People LOVE IT. But it also doesn't really isn't much like what Universal has otherwise built in the last 10 years, as none of their new build attractions are classic stationary simulator based attractions.

 

I find Soarin' to be relaxing; it's a very good family ride that different age groups can enjoy, and it provides a mild thrill (looking forward to the updated "around-the-world" version). If they use the same ride system for the new Avatar attraction, it should be fun. (They're also adding a more "traditional" boat ride through Pandora.)

 

The Fallon ride, well, I'm just not a fan of Jimmy Fallon or "kuka arm" rides (which is probably what this attraction will be, based on what Fallon said on his show). I agree that it'll probably be a "C or D Ticket" ride, at best, and that Twister had definitely rode itself out. But the ride is being based on a show I don't watch, and I'm pretty sure my digestive tract won't care for the ride system. Many people who will enjoy it, and that's OK with me. And who knows--maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised.

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The Fallon ride, well, I'm just not a fan of Jimmy Fallon or "kuka arm" rides (which is probably what this attraction will be, based on what Fallon said on his show). I agree that it'll probably be a "C or D Ticket" ride, at best, and that Twister had definitely rode itself out. But the ride is being based on a show I don't watch, and I'm pretty sure my digestive tract won't care for the ride system. Many people who will enjoy it, and that's OK with me. And who knows--maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised.

 

I can pretty much guarantee this won't be a Kuka arm ride as much as anyone who doesn't directly pull a check from Universal.

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People love Soarin', but maybe because it's unique.

Now Disney is opening another one under the name of Avatar, and Universal will have their own version with Fallon, all three in the same area that is Orlando... Most of the GP won't notice, and if the storylines will be different enough, I won't mind either, but you gotta admit the effect of surprise will be less and less there.

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I'm indifferent to what Universal has announced--and dubious as to the Fallon ride. But, as Robb said. maybe we'll be pleasantly surprised. It sounds like the park is becoming "Simulator Land," though.

 

This has to be a concern... "ride the movies" not "watch the movies whilst being shaken".

Maybe Hulk 2.0 also ends up incorporating those VR Headsets that were brought up in another thread not long ago. Seems like it would be a Universal kind of thing.

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Most of these rides aren't simulators though any more than any themed ride is a simulator. They're rides utilizing projections as effects. It seems to me that there's a generation bothered by this. Seeing people complain is kinda like watching at old school wood coaster enthusiasts coping with the technological progression of the 90s-2000s to me. Instead of complaining about buzz bars and inversions all being alike, they're upset that there aren't more big clunky animatronics.

When I say "simulator" I'm referring to the attractions that shake you around but stay in one place. Simpsons and Despicable Me come to mind on Universal's property.

 

I'm not saying that every themed attraction should be an animatronic-heavy attraction, because they shouldn't. Each park has a need, each crop of designers comes up with a story, system and implementation to address the need. Fine. But my problem with -most- (not all) media-based attractions is that they try to tell too much story in too little time. Everything moves so fast and you don't even have time to think about what's going on because by the time you do the ride is over. The balance between taking the time to tell your story and making sure guests keep flowing through the attraction is a very difficult one to achieve.

 

I'm also slightly biased because I can't ride those rides with the glasses on without getting motion sick. You can't win 'em all.

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Most of these rides aren't simulators though any more than any themed ride is a simulator. They're rides utilizing projections as effects. It seems to me that there's a generation bothered by this. Seeing people complain is kinda like watching at old school wood coaster enthusiasts coping with the technological progression of the 90s-2000s to me. Instead of complaining about buzz bars and inversions all being alike, they're upset that there aren't more big clunky animatronics.

When I say "simulator" I'm referring to the attractions that shake you around but stay in one place. Simpsons and Despicable Me come to mind on Universal's property.

 

I'm not saying that every themed attraction should be an animatronic-heavy attraction, because they shouldn't. Each park has a need, each crop of designers comes up with a story, system and implementation to address the need. Fine. But my problem with -most- (not all) media-based attractions is that they try to tell too much story in too little time. Everything moves so fast and you don't even have time to think about what's going on because by the time you do the ride is over. The balance between taking the time to tell your story and making sure guests keep flowing through the attraction is a very difficult one to achieve.

 

I'm also slightly biased because I can't ride those rides with the glasses on without getting motion sick. You can't win 'em all.

 

Rides are a lousy medium to tell stories, but the push to do so has been a focus of the industry now for longer than projection/3D projection has been merged with dark rides. That's not a problem of projection technology. It isn't even really the fault of designers. Designers create based on the demands of executives. Now those executives now more than any other time in memory are dictating what parks build based on IP crossover and are also actively choosing to produce films and TV programs with the intent of merchandising them and building theme park attractions based on their success. See as relevant: every article about there being a much reduced mid point for film budgets between independent film and summer blockbusters. But returning to rides here since that's what is relevant - it is an effect, like any other effect on a ride. The only bearing it has is "Does it work best for the application?" For many applications in which it is used, video projection is the only realistic option.

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I completely agree with Robb about the potential overuse of media-based rides, and the comment about Universal becoming 'simulator land'.

 

We just visited Universal and IoA for the first time, and while we had a blast, our biggest and only criticism was how similar all of the rides started to feel after a while. And especially with Hulk down, the overabundance of simulator type attractions was really noticeable. Hulk would have definitely helped break up some of the repetition. By the time we got around to Simpsons at the end of the day, I was ready to hurl.

 

If Gringotts had been a little heavier on the coaster side, and a little less on the media side, I think it would have been better-balanced, and helped balance out the park a little more too. That being said, the media portion was stunning.

 

Also, Hollywood Rip Rid Rockit was TERRIBLE. I wasn't expecting too much out of it, but it was SO rough and uncomfortable. Really disappointing, because like we're talking about, the parks feel a little lacking in the 'real rides' side of things, and a good, smooth coaster would add so much to the line up.

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I like to see a good mix of physical and digital sets and effects as part of a dark ride, but I'm not a big fan of sitting in a theater while my chair moves around.

 

This 100%. I used to be so eager to book my next Universal trip to check out their new attractions, but with everything becoming just a different version of sitting in front of a screen while being shaken, I'm more hesitant. Maybe I'll be wrong, in fact I hope I am wrong, but if this current trend continues, I don't see myself going back for a few years.

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I like to see a good mix of physical and digital sets and effects as part of a dark ride, but I'm not a big fan of sitting in a theater while my chair moves around.

 

This 100%. I used to be so eager to book my next Universal trip to check out their new attractions, but with everything becoming just a different version of sitting in front of a screen while being shaken, I'm more hesitant. Maybe I'll be wrong, in fact I hope I am wrong, but if this current trend continues, I don't see myself going back for a few years.

 

Although it's more popular in some countries than others (we have so many here in Korea) with 4D cinemas increasing in numbers at cineplexes, I just can't see the theme parks continuing with it as a trend. They would have to up their game to offer something that can't be found at multiplexes around the country.

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I like to see a good mix of physical and digital sets and effects as part of a dark ride, but I'm not a big fan of sitting in a theater while my chair moves around.

 

This 100%. I used to be so eager to book my next Universal trip to check out their new attractions, but with everything becoming just a different version of sitting in front of a screen while being shaken, I'm more hesitant. Maybe I'll be wrong, in fact I hope I am wrong, but if this current trend continues, I don't see myself going back for a few years.

 

Although it's more popular in some countries than others (we have so many here in Korea) with 4D cinemas increasing in numbers at cineplexes, I just can't see the theme parks continuing with it as a trend. They would have to up their game to offer something that can't be found at multiplexes around the country.

 

Multiplexes can't show films in tandem with large animatronics, roller coasters, or suspended seating, which are examples of what everyone in theme parks is doing. Theme parks either can't afford the alternative or there isn't one for all practical intents and purposes for the IPs people want put into the parks.

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Also, Hollywood Rip Rid Rockit was TERRIBLE. I wasn't expecting too much out of it, but it was SO rough and uncomfortable. Really disappointing, because like we're talking about, the parks feel a little lacking in the 'real rides' side of things, and a good, smooth coaster would add so much to the line up.

 

I just went to UOR for the very first time ever last week, and I actually loved Rockit! I've heard all the complaints about it being rough, and while I'll admit that it's not glass smooth, I didn't think it was a bad coaster by any means! But then again, SFMM is one of my "home" parks, and I'm part of the minority there that actually enjoys Viper...

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I just went to UOR for the very first time ever last week, and I actually loved Rockit! I've heard all the complaints about it being rough, and while I'll admit that it's not glass smooth, I didn't think it was a bad coaster by any means! But then again, SFMM is one of my "home" parks, and I'm part of the minority there that actually enjoys Viper...

 

I also enjoyed Rockit when I visit the park for the first time. I agree it wasn't glass smooth but I get the feeling it might depends a lot on what train you get. While I don't know how Universal do their train rehabs, I know that all the Eurofighters I've been on with a rolling rehab schedule for the trains can provide very different ride experiences. If you get one thats come back into service mid season it can be an amazing ride, but if you get one that is just about to be taken out of service it can be rough as hell.

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I didn't ride Rockit on my visit this spring, but I rode it last year and thought it was alright. Not overly comfortable, but I didn't have any issues with roughness. The reviews for this ride are so mixed, so it does indeed seem likely that train rehab really has a big impact on the ride experience.

 

On a side note, I dreamed I was riding a glass-smooth Hulk last night. With the refurb the ride is now getting, this was well on the way to become the most realistic dream I've ever head. But when I went for a re-ride my brain decided to mess it all up by adding a meet-n-greet with Snow White in the queue line.

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