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The source for confirming seems sketchy but I'd like B&M to come back and re-do the coaster but those first 4 elements of the ride to me is what made it great. I think that the back part of the ride can go and I wouldn't miss it at all. Looking at the track in the scrap yard that ride was run into the ground! It needed a rehab or some sort.

 

What is most interesting to me is wondering what other rides at other parks are going to get the "Incredible Hulk" treatment. While the ride is in Orlando and thus running every day all day. What about other rides that are in more harsh environments where it snows. It also makes me wonder what is the life span of other B&M even if they don't run as hard and heavy as the Hulk.

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I can't imagine that the UAE Hulk track would've been manufactured, they hardly did any work on the park before it was cancelled, so surely would've been a way off even thinking of installing any track. So to have the track already manufactured, it would've meant storing it for quite a while, which doesn't make much sense.

 

I thought I read somewhere that some of the track for UAE's Revenge of the Mummy was actually manufactured and delivered to the construction site before the project stalled. So I feel like it's possible that some of the Hulk track for UAE could have been made already. Of course, they're different coasters and manufacturers though, so who knows? I don't even know if the story about Mummy is true- just read about it on another theme park site.

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It's not about the weather. It's about the cycles and constant stress placed on the track.

 

This exactly. One example is the loop on California Screamin'- the top half of the loop had to be replaced a few years ago due to stress fractures (pictures of the loop's removal/replacement can be found on other sites, and I'm sure there are some here on TPR). That's what happens when the ride is open nearly 365 days a year (accounting for extended downtimes/refurbishments), and when they're consistently running 4 or 5 trains! The loop was replaced in 2011 if I'm not mistaken- only 10 years after it had first opened! So this whole Hulk refurbishment makes a lot of sense considering it follows a similar operating pattern to Screamin', and it's only a couple years older than it.

 

What is most interesting to me is wondering what other rides at other parks are going to get the "Incredible Hulk" treatment.

As far as B&M goes, I'd put my money on The Riddler's Revenge at SFMM, though it doesn't operate as heavily as Hulk (meaning that the park isn't open every day of the year, but at the same time they don't have a true offseason since they're opens on weekends at a minimum). Maybe Kumba at BGT or even IOA's own Dragon Challenge? Just guessing based on B&Ms that operate with a comparable cycling/operating schedule as Hulk that are around the same age.

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I'd be willing to bet imaginary money that if the Hulk reconstruction is successful, Dragon Challenge will be next. All three coasters have been around since the park's opening, Dragon Challenge's condition has to be at least near what Hulk's was before the demolition started.

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Kumba probably has the most miles on it in terms of B&M coasters, I guess we'll have to see if it ever gets the 'Hulk' treatment or just gets removed altogether.

 

And regarding Riddler, they havent run it a full capacity since probably the early 00's so I dont think it's any danger at the moment.

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I can't imagine that the UAE Hulk track would've been manufactured, they hardly did any work on the park before it was cancelled, so surely would've been a way off even thinking of installing any track. So to have the track already manufactured, it would've meant storing it for quite a while, which doesn't make much sense.

 

I thought I read somewhere that some of the track for UAE's Revenge of the Mummy was actually manufactured and delivered to the construction site before the project stalled. So I feel like it's possible that some of the Hulk track for UAE could have been made already. Of course, they're different coasters and manufacturers though, so who knows? I don't even know if the story about Mummy is true- just read about it on another theme park site.

 

Dubai Mummy became Singapore Mummy

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I didn't realize that they were actually changing the track, I thought it was just a queue upgrade and themeing or something. What do you guys think; will Universal be willing to try something unique, or will they play it safe and go with the standard same-6-elements-in-different-order B&M?

 

I just don't see them making changes to the layout. Even after 16 years, it was still one of the most popular rides at the park and was the signature ride when the park opened. I can see new trains with the B&M vest type restraints and on board audio. I can see an enhanced queue area. I can see a new launch system. But I just don't see them making changes to the layout.

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Honestly, no matter how much I wish Kumba would get the Hulk treatment, knowing Seaworld Entertainment Parks, that's pretty unlikely to happen. Even though it is an incredible coaster, a new coaster is much much easier to market and a much larger draw than a refurbished coaster (especially one that is tucked away in the back with relatively low ridership compared to Montu, SheiKra, and Cheetah Hunt. I'm praying for Kumba to get a massive refurb but I honestly just can't see it happening.

 

Sorry!! Just realized how off topic this is.

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Honestly, no matter how much I wish Kumba would get the Hulk treatment, knowing Seaworld Entertainment Parks, that's pretty unlikely to happen. Even though it is an incredible coaster, a new coaster is much much easier to market and a much larger draw than a refurbished coaster (especially one that is tucked away in the back with relatively low ridership compared to Montu, SheiKra, and Cheetah Hunt. I'm praying for Kumba to get a massive refurb but I honestly just can't see it happening.

 

Sorry!! Just realized how off topic this is.

 

Why does Kumba need a massive refurb, that thing still rides (and looks) like a top 10 steel coaster?

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Honestly, no matter how much I wish Kumba would get the Hulk treatment, knowing Seaworld Entertainment Parks, that's pretty unlikely to happen. Even though it is an incredible coaster, a new coaster is much much easier to market and a much larger draw than a refurbished coaster (especially one that is tucked away in the back with relatively low ridership compared to Montu, SheiKra, and Cheetah Hunt. I'm praying for Kumba to get a massive refurb but I honestly just can't see it happening.

 

Sorry!! Just realized how off topic this is.

 

Why does Kumba need a massive refurb, that thing still rides (and looks) like a top 10 steel coaster?

 

Kumba doesn't need a massive refurb at all. I rode it last week and thought it ran great. It's still one of the most forceful B&Ms out there and it has aged really well.

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I can't imagine that the UAE Hulk track would've been manufactured, they hardly did any work on the park before it was cancelled, so surely would've been a way off even thinking of installing any track. So to have the track already manufactured, it would've meant storing it for quite a while, which doesn't make much sense.

 

I thought I read somewhere that some of the track for UAE's Revenge of the Mummy was actually manufactured and delivered to the construction site before the project stalled. So I feel like it's possible that some of the Hulk track for UAE could have been made already. Of course, they're different coasters and manufacturers though, so who knows? I don't even know if the story about Mummy is true- just read about it on another theme park site.

 

Dubai Mummy became Singapore Mummy

 

False.

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I can't imagine that the UAE Hulk track would've been manufactured, they hardly did any work on the park before it was cancelled, so surely would've been a way off even thinking of installing any track. So to have the track already manufactured, it would've meant storing it for quite a while, which doesn't make much sense.

 

I thought I read somewhere that some of the track for UAE's Revenge of the Mummy was actually manufactured and delivered to the construction site before the project stalled. So I feel like it's possible that some of the Hulk track for UAE could have been made already. Of course, they're different coasters and manufacturers though, so who knows? I don't even know if the story about Mummy is true- just read about it on another theme park site.

 

Dubai Mummy became Singapore Mummy

 

False.

 

I should of been more specific as the ride that was planned for Dubai essentially picked up and moved to Singapore. The ride plans not specifically the track.

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Honestly, no matter how much I wish Kumba would get the Hulk treatment, knowing Seaworld Entertainment Parks, that's pretty unlikely to happen. Even though it is an incredible coaster, a new coaster is much much easier to market and a much larger draw than a refurbished coaster (especially one that is tucked away in the back with relatively low ridership compared to Montu, SheiKra, and Cheetah Hunt. I'm praying for Kumba to get a massive refurb but I honestly just can't see it happening.

 

Sorry!! Just realized how off topic this is.

 

Why does Kumba need a massive refurb, that thing still rides (and looks) like a top 10 steel coaster?

 

Completely agree. I would be worried if something similar to Hulk happened to Kumba, it would be butchered and not the same ride.

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I should of been more specific as the ride that was planned for Dubai essentially picked up and moved to Singapore. The ride plans not specifically the track.

 

 

Also False

 

From the beginning, both USD and USS were always designed to have Revenge of the Mummy - both with track layouts virtually identical to USF

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Why would anyone rule out something new in the layout when the ENTIRE back half of a 16 year-old, extremely popular rollercoaster (from a company that has never had a ride destroyed before) has already been completely scrapped. Is it really such a crazy idea that things could change in the layout when it is getting an extreme track rebuild, a new launch system, a new theme, new effects, new trains...

 

I'm waiting and seeing, mostly just hopeful that nothing about the ride gets "toned down."

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I should of been more specific as the ride that was planned for Dubai essentially picked up and moved to Singapore. The ride plans not specifically the track.

 

 

Also False

 

From the beginning, both USD and USS were always designed to have Revenge of the Mummy - both with track layouts virtually identical to USF

 

To be fair, even though USD and USS share(d) the same track layout as USF, the show for USS is pretty different than the USF version. USS isn't about riding the movie like USF is and there's a lot of things Universal improved upon. Whether or not USD was going to be the same show as USF is up in the air since it was never built, but I can guarantee the track for Dubai was not used in the Singapore version.

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I also don't see why supports would need to be removed unless something about the layout was changing.

Aren't the supports under just as much stress as the track? It doesn't make sense to leave the supports alone, especially if they're at the end of their service life like the track segments are. It's better to just replace the whole thing.

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I also don't see why supports would need to be removed unless something about the layout was changing.

Aren't the supports under just as much stress as the track? It doesn't make sense to leave the supports alone, especially if they're at the end of their service life like the track segments are. It's better to just replace the whole thing.

 

Do supports have the same service life as track? I'm thinking of some of the older wooden coasters here as an example so I may be way off here since the structures are vastly different but it always seems the track gets a lot more work and replacement than the supports do.

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