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The news sounds good to me. Not that we didn't know it was coming. The restaurant intrigues me. As far as the tickets go. I like to see Universal just sell 2-Park tickets. Just find a good price and drop the single park tickets. They can make up the ticket prices with butterbeer sales. I mean if your going to the resort for vacation, your going to hit both parks. Then you would not have to worry about checking tickets or adding a ticket office for the train. I also wonder if they have a butterbeer idea for the new area.

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^ The thing is though, you have to understand the Orlando market. There are a lot of groups, schools, etc, that will do an outing to Universal or IOA, etc. There is a VERY wide range of different people, all with different agendas that come to Orlando.

 

If you offer only a two-park ticket, you're essentially "leaving money on the table" for a someone or a group that doesn't need it, doesn't care about having to see "all of Potter", etc.

 

Orlando is a very different type of "theme park market" than anywhere else in the world. I have some faith they'll figure out what works best for all their different types of customer.

 

--Robb

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You know, I'll be very curious to see the Visit Orlando tourist statistics for the 2014 season. After the first park opened in 2010, Orlando's visitation broke all sorts of records. I was at a Florida Attractions meeting once, where they called it the 'Potter Effect'. I'm wondering if we'll see the visitation hit the same levels in 2014. Personally I feel the heavy weight of the "must see" phenomenon has died off, and opening a second won't do as well, though it will still be a big hit! I could be wrong though. Potter is still a big hit with kids and families!

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^ What are you not understanding here? They already have 1 and 2 park tickets. The two parks are already separate admission. When you get from one park to the other, there will be an entrance gate. No different to the front and back entrances of Epcot.

 

If you don't have a park hopper, and you don't want to upgrade to a hopper you turn around and get back on the train.

 

This is how it has worked in Orlando FOR DECADES!!!

 

The only difference here is the "wrapper" and for this case, it's the train station. Remember how train stations have gates? And you can buy train tickets at a station? Yeah...

 

Why is this concept confusing????

 

--Robb "I really can't believe the movie Idiocracy is coming true!" Alvey

I'm not saying that I don't get it. You aether have a 2 park ticket or you will not be allowed to visited the other park.

What I guess is confusing here is that off course both 1 park and hopper park ticket holders are allowed in the park, but only the hoppers ticket holders are allowed to hop. This train will be a hopper transportation form within isle of adventure to inside Universal studios and back. I guess they're wondering when and how they going to check if you are a hopper. Like you have a "conductor" checking your ticket before entering and you are free to leave inside the other park, or all guest are allowed to take the train and they make a back entrance and to enter the other park, what means 1 park ticket holders are forced to take the train back.

Personally I hope they do it the first way because the second force the 1 park ticket holders to go from one queue line to another.

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Kind of a strange announcement (timing-wise), and the expansion was already announced alongside the USH announcement, so all today really confirmed was its location and vague attraction details. I'd imagine they'll handle this like the original WWOHP, and release specifics in a number of months. I don't see this having quite the effect that the original land had, but it will sure bring in a large amount of crowds.

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My guess is you won't be able to get in line for the train unless you have a park hopper ticket. Unless there is some kind of "turn around". I don't think it's going to be like the DL Monorail where they just let you "ride". Who knows where the train station is going to be exactly. Maybe to fit the theme, when you buy your "Park Hopper" they'll give you a special train ticket?

 

I honestly don't see this being any more difficult to figure out than park hopping at USO now or at DL/DCA. While yes, you do have to exit one of those parks to enter the other, they are so close together as it is.

 

I look at this train exactly how I look at the boat from DHS to EPCOT.

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i'm wondering how this hogwarts express will be

i think they'll make it like the king kong ride at Universal Studios Hollywood, with some 3D stuff, a movie-clip or whatever

i don't think the train will just pass by the "backstage" of the parks and have nothing in special

 

gooooosh, im so excited to come back

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^ What are you not understanding here? They already have 1 and 2 park tickets. The two parks are already separate admission. When you get from one park to the other, there will be an entrance gate. No different to the front and back entrances of Epcot.

 

If you don't have a park hopper, and you don't want to upgrade to a hopper you turn around and get back on the train.

 

This is how it has worked in Orlando FOR DECADES!!!

 

The only difference here is the "wrapper" and for this case, it's the train station. Remember how train stations have gates? And you can buy train tickets at a station? Yeah...

 

Why is this concept confusing????

 

--Robb "I really can't believe the movie Idiocracy is coming true!" Alvey

I'm not saying that I don't get it. You aether have a 2 park ticket or you will not be allowed to visited the other park.

What I guess is confusing here is that off course both 1 park and hopper park ticket holders are allowed in the park, but only the hoppers ticket holders are allowed to hop. This train will be a hopper transportation form within isle of adventure to inside Universal studios and back. I guess they're wondering when and how they going to check if you are a hopper. Like you have a "conductor" checking your ticket before entering and you are free to leave inside the other park, or all guest are allowed to take the train and they make a back entrance and to enter the other park, what means 1 park ticket holders are forced to take the train back.

Personally I hope they do it the first way because the second force the 1 park ticket holders to go from one queue line to another.

 

You're really over complicating something that is not complicated at all. I'm not even sure you know what you're talking about at this point. Please just stop responding. Thank you.

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My guess is you won't be able to get in line for the train unless you have a park hopper ticket.

 

I look at this train exactly how I look at the boat from DHS to EPCOT.

 

The difference (I think) is that to ride the boat between the Studios and Epcot you have to exit the parks, you can't board the boat (or any of the Disney transportation) from inside the parks. With Disney's transportation you don't need any sort of park ticket at all to ride, you can just ride the boat from Epcot to the Dolphin to the Studios to the Boardwalk for free all day if you want.

 

My guess is that to experience the train between parks, since the train will be loading from inside of the park gates, you will have to have a multi-park "park hopper" ticket before you get in line.

 

Regardless of the technicalities of the ticketing this is a pretty ambitious project that I'm exciting to see come to life.

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OH! Just announce Springfield already!! I wanna be able to actually walk into and order a Flamingo Moe!

 

If you're nice, maybe they'll give you a "Flaming Moe" to go with that "flamingo."

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The Hogwarts Express will most likely be only available to those with park to park tickets which would be available to those who need to upgrade at the entrance to the HE. I'd love to see a conductor punch your ticket as in the films. It's just easier to have the train require park to park tickets instead of a turn around as both stations are in the park's boundaries so you are actually leaving and entering both parks on the train. I'd be shocked if its any other way, just my two cents. Really excited about this as a fan of the series. Can't wait to see the finished project, love the concept art.

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I think Robb has the right idea---it's a train station! Like any other train station, they can either check the tickets before you board or after you exit (which is actually what I suspect, so the train attraction can add a little extra capacity to each park). Either way it's not a very complicated system.

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There's a small problem in that forcing people who don't have park hoppers to ride the train back decreases capacity on both ends. In order to maximize capacity, there can't be a round-trip option of any sort for anyone. Want to ride the train back? Get in the other line. It becomes a sort of park-to-park Skyway.

 

So I'm leaning more towards the Disneyland monorail-esque checking tickets before boarding, probably before entering the queue if I had to guess. The amount of people wanting to ride is going to be insane. I'd doubt they'd do anything to increase wait times that didn't maximize revenue.

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^Unless the queue is already configured to handle such a setup. The train stations could serve as "neutral zones," like how you are not officially in a country until you clear customs. Just have the exits covered with turnstiles, and food/retail options inside each station. Not saying they will do that, but it is just one of the many possibilities.

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^That's exactly what I was thinking. You leave either park to get on the train, and when you get to the other side you may either enter the other park, or get back in the line that will take you back (where you can then reenter the park you departed from).

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This is insane.

 

Park A and Park B.

 

If you want to go from A>B or B>A you buy an A+B park ticket, park hopper, whatever you want to call it. With an A+B park ticket, you get on the first three carriages of the train via an A+B turnstyle and queue. When you leave the train at the park you have travelled to, you exit through a new set of turnstyles serving as the PARK ENTRANCE for the A+B park ticket.

 

If you are wanting to do a round trip, just to experience the train ride, you get a round trip ticket (I assume this will be free). You pick up your ticket from a ticket booth letting you know your ticket is for the round trip at _____ o'clock. You then enter the train via the round trip queue and turn styles, which lead you into the last three carriages of the train. THESE CARRIAGES DO NOT ALLOW YOU TO EXIT AT THE OTHER PARK. The doors of the carriage will not open, meaning no one can make the mistake of accidentally getting off. Instead, you wait until the next group people have boarded and take the train back to the park you originated from.

 

There may be separate trains for round trips and A+B park ticket holders, and there may be different configurations on train time tabling and carriage set up in order for the most efficiency of round trip ticket holders.

 

How they theme these, I don't know. It is not complicated how this system should work, or will work. Just because there is a train doesn't mean anything changes to how A+B park tickets work.

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While rereading the paper on page 192.

You'll be able to travel between the two parks, from King's Cross station in London to Hogsmeade, aboard the Hogwarts Express with a park-to-park ticket
My best guess will be that only people with the park-to-park tickets are able to board the train. How they're going to check this, only time will tell.
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Not to mention, I'm sure there will be PLENTY of information when entering the park that you need the park hopper ticket to see the entire Wizarding World and I'm sure that the people at the ticket booths at the front of the park will have some sort of script about "are you sure you don't want to upgrade to the two-park ticket for just..." spiel which should help minimize/prevent much of the confusion.

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Not to mention, I'm sure there will be PLENTY of information when entering the park that you need the park hopper ticket to see the entire Wizarding World and I'm sure that the people at the ticket booths at the front of the park will have some sort of script about "are you sure you don't want to upgrade to the two-park ticket for just..." spiel which should help minimize/prevent much of the confusion.

 

Right. That's what I was referring to when I mentioned maximizing revenue. It doesn't make sense for the park to have any seat on the Hogwarts Express not occupied by anyone who didn't buy the upcharge park-to-park access given the insane demand there will be to ride it. Allowing for 1-park'ers to either get back on or not get off at all fruitlessly decreases the amount of park-to-park paying guests who can ride the Hogwarts Express in any given day, and diminishes the increased value of park-to-park access that Hogwarts Express brings.

 

Now, will there be a way to ride round-trip? I'm still leaning towards the Skyway-style one way trip, get back in line at the other station if you want to ride round trip. From the park's perspective that way makes the most sense.

 

Of course guests would love a way to ride Hogwarts Express round trip for only the cost of a 1-park ticket, but given the insane demand there will be for Hogwarts Express, there is zero incentive for Universal provide such an option. They'll undoubtedly be able to fill every seat of every train every day with park-to-park ticket holders, and will probably increase their Universal Express' value by working that into Hogwarts Express as a kind of priority boarding as well.

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