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Why don't they just get it over with and make these parks into Harry Potter theme parks? They couldn't ruin them much more as it is.......

 

They made millions.

The public love it.

It's spectacular.

It's widely acclaimed as the best or one of the best dark rides ever built.

 

I'd hardly call it "ruining". The number of Brits alone flocking to visit these is staggering. It's all money coming out of one economy into another - and that must count for a lot.

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I honestly don't think it's ruining the parks as much as a lot of people say. Frankly, I think the Potter thing is such a big craze that it's polarizing enthusiast's opinions to "omg excited" to "Universal is dead to me".

 

Am I the only one that doesn't think that IoA got drastically worse after Potter? Hulk, Poseidon, Dudley Do-Right, Jurassic Park, and Spiderman all got rehabs and now run better than before Potter came in. I mean, sure it's annoying that the GP now think of this as the "Harry Potter theme park".... and yeah I was bummed we lost the Lost Continent and Dueling Dragon's original queue line... but I don't think the loss of one queue line and a couple of huge statues "ruined the park"

 

And for the record, I'm sad Jaws is going. But if we're going to get an indoor coaster with theming that's on par with Forbidden Journey? We may be getting another one of the best themed thrill rides ever created. Again, I don't really get how that's going to ruin the park.

 

Honestly, I haven't read any of the HP books, I saw most of the movies and enjoyed them, but am far from fanatic about them. But if this is increases attendance and guest spending to the point that Universal wants to go ahead and add new $100 million+ attractions? Sure, go for it!

 

Just my opinion at least...

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If Universal linked the two parks, wouldn't they be shooting themselves in the foot? At the moment, one group of tourists visit the Studios, one visit IoA and some will visit both (Great Income) If they link the two parks, aren't they just going to reduce their income? Either that or the ticket price will double?!

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^Or they'll just get everyone to buy the park-hopper ticket and make even more money. They'll probably just scan your ticket before you are allowed to board.

 

^^One area I noticed that has changed is the food and retail locations. It felt like it was impossible to find somewhere good to eat at IoA unless you eat before 4pm. This is obviously a business decision to match the crowd flow, but it was annoying for me personally.

 

They also raped Mythos menu to the point Dan and I chose not to eat there because none of the signature items were on the menu anymore, replaced by more generic items...

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My last two visits to the parks presented me with horrible operations and customer service, so much so that I really have no desire to return to these parks any time soon. It's blazing hot in FL, yet it's almost impossible to get something to drink early in the morning. Mythos's menu has been destroyed. Ride operations were pathetic (I was thinking Universal might have outsourced their employee training to Mount Olympus), and in general the parks seemed to be staffed by people that just don't care, especially at food locations.

 

One would hope that they would take the increased profits from Pottertown and put them into the upkeep of the parks and making sure they're staffed with quality employees instead of lining the vaults of corporate executives, but so far this does not seem like it's the case.

 

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It's an Orlando theme park war! Disney, Sea World, and Universal all going for big expansions.

 

The linking of IOA to the Studios via Potter is certainly going to be one of the more interesting challenges. Can't wait to see how it is handled.

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I honestly don't think it's ruining the parks as much as a lot of people say. Frankly, I think the Potter thing is such a big craze that it's polarizing enthusiast's opinions to "omg excited" to "Universal is dead to me".

 

Am I the only one that doesn't think that IoA got drastically worse after Potter? Hulk, Poseidon, Dudley Do-Right, Jurassic Park, and Spiderman all got rehabs and now run better than before Potter came in. I mean, sure it's annoying that the GP now think of this as the "Harry Potter theme park".... and yeah I was bummed we lost the Lost Continent and Dueling Dragon's original queue line... but I don't think the loss of one queue line and a couple of huge statues "ruined the park"

 

And for the record, I'm sad Jaws is going. But if we're going to get an indoor coaster with theming that's on par with Forbidden Journey? We may be getting another one of the best themed thrill rides ever created. Again, I don't really get how that's going to ruin the park.

 

Honestly, I haven't read any of the HP books, I saw most of the movies and enjoyed them, but am far from fanatic about them. But if this is increases attendance and guest spending to the point that Universal wants to go ahead and add new $100 million+ attractions? Sure, go for it!

 

Just my opinion at least...

 

I just wanted to say this is basically my stance on the whole thing too. Granted I've never been to IOA before Potter...

 

Butterbeer is amazing too.

 

And i'll gladly renew my pass with the addition of a new attraction

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^No offense meant to Jake or any of you but...

 

Jake, you're 20 years old, that means IOA opened when you were 8 years old. There is no way you have memories of the place back then the way us 'old folks' do.

 

The park outside of Potterdump is worse now than it was then and it's sad for a lot of us.

 

I just hope all of you can understand and stop questioning those of us who have been visiting regularly since 1999. Paint and rehabs are great and all, but it's just not the same.

 

You want a concrete example, look at the Mythos building. Forget how they've dumbed down the menu, or don't fill the restaurant anymore, just look at the building. They are letting it rot away, it's moldy and disgusting on the outside.

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^This. IOA when it opened was like DisneySeas. It was stunning. There was nothing else in the US like it. Now, it's really sad how they've let the place go. This is what annoys a lot of us. The park should really be in better shape than it is, given the money they're making. They shouldn't just focus on Potter, but the whole guest experience.

 

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The message in Jake's post is both alarming and depressing. What it tells me is that "The dumbed down IOA that new visitors are seeing today is 'good enough' to impress, that they don't need to bother making it look like the IOA of 1999."

 

That sucks. But it's the reality.

 

It's kind of like today's youthful adults will never truly be able to appreciate 80s porn.

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I'll just echo the last three posts. Actually, this sums it up:

 

Paint and rehabs are great and all, but it's just not the same.

 

Even though I may disagree with some of Disney's moves over the years, at least there's still plenty at each park that gives me that "comfortable, feels like old times" vibe. It's become clear to me over the last five years or so that IOA will always just be a "bottom line" park with no real "feel" to it anymore.

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I've been going to the park since it's opening season, and here's my view on this.

 

The park opened and it was great. I loved the original IOA, Dueling Dragons was my first major rollercoaster, Spiderman blew my mind, Mythos was omfg amazing, etc etc.

 

But, between the parks first few years and the Potter period, the park just sort of fell into a slow decline. There were no major additions and the park slowly started looking worse and worse. Frankly, I think IOA a year before Potter came into the park was just bad. The rides looked like crap, the place was hardly ever packed, and the operations weren't any better than they were now. It was a half day park at best.

 

Potter changed the park, and yeah it's not the awesome IoA we once had... but at least the company cares about the park again.

 

And also, just to add... my first visit to IOA was what turned me into a theme park enthusiast. Yeah, it was simply one of the best theme park experiences you could ever have. But that theme park was long gone way before Potter came into the picture.

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I honestly don't think it's ruining the parks as much as a lot of people say. Frankly, I think the Potter thing is such a big craze that it's polarizing enthusiast's opinions to "omg excited" to "Universal is dead to me".

 

Am I the only one that doesn't think that IoA got drastically worse after Potter? Hulk, Poseidon, Dudley Do-Right, Jurassic Park, and Spiderman all got rehabs and now run better than before Potter came in. I mean, sure it's annoying that the GP now think of this as the "Harry Potter theme park".... and yeah I was bummed we lost the Lost Continent and Dueling Dragon's original queue line... but I don't think the loss of one queue line and a couple of huge statues "ruined the park"

 

Just my opinion at least...

 

My opinion also.

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^No offense meant to Jake or any of you but...

 

Jake, you're 20 years old, that means IOA opened when you were 8 years old. There is no way you have memories of the place back then the way us 'old folks' do.

 

The park outside of Potterdump is worse now than it was then and it's sad for a lot of us.

 

I just hope all of you can understand and stop questioning those of us who have been visiting regularly since 1999. Paint and rehabs are great and all, but it's just not the same.

 

You want a concrete example, look at the Mythos building. Forget how they've dumbed down the menu, or don't fill the restaurant anymore, just look at the building. They are letting it rot away, it's moldy and disgusting on the outside.

 

 

The message in Jake's post is both alarming and depressing. What it tells me is that "The dumbed down IOA that new visitors are seeing today is 'good enough' to impress, that they don't need to bother making it look like the IOA of 1999."

 

That sucks. But it's the reality.

 

It's kind of like today's youthful adults will never truly be able to appreciate 80s porn.

 

Oh I totally trust you guys on how it used to be, and I even said in my post that I've never been before Potter, so IOA with Potter is all I can base my view on. I'm just happy the park is building new stuff with the popularity and income from the success of Potter. That's really all, a bit selfish :/

 

When places go down hill it is really sad, SFFT for example. That park used to be great but over the last few years their operations have dropped to the worse I have EVER seen in the amusement industry and the park is absolutely filthy. When it comes to IOA I just don't know how it used to be and that's all I meant!

 

And like Andrew said, I don't even like Potter. I'm not really into any of the films or specific theming of any rides out there. I'm more of a person that just enjoys the rides regardless of what they are. I guess that's why I don't personally see a problem currently because my time in the park is sort of unaffected by the changes I guess. If it brings in the cash and allows for expansion I'm cool with that, it just sucks to hear that it's effected the rest of the park in the eyes of you guys who have visited since the park opened and appreciate(d) those aspects.

 

Not sure if that's the best way to word it, I just enjoy the rides and the experiences that come with them currently. I know I'm still young though and a thrill seeker and I'm looking forward to being able to appreciate different things from a different point-of-view as I grow up and experience more.

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Potterburg is to IOA as the US bailout money was to GM. Oh sure, it sustained them, but has their overall product improved? To me....no. Granted, I'm not a Potter fan, but beyond that, the rest of the place is just feeling "tired" these days. Compare that to the other major players in the region, and I see plenty of refreshing changes and improvements happening. There's the difference.

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Andrew, I totally agree that Potter helped out a bit with some 'tired' areas of the park, but a lot of those were left to rot in the first place due to potter so it's kind of a no win situation.

 

IOA has been in decline for years, potterverse just put a decent bandaid on it.

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Granted, I'm not a Potter fan...

I think this is the biggest problem with Potterdump.

 

It seems like you have to be a Potter "fan" to really appreciate it. (ok, yes, obnoxious people, please post that you're not a Potter fan but you still enjoy it...but you know what I mean.)

 

For example, I'm not a Winnie the Pooh fan...but I *love* Pooh in Tokyo. I'm not a Star Wars fan, but I enjoy Star Tours. I'm not a Spiderman fan, but I like the attraction. People who aren't Jurassic Park fans don't need to know anything more than "Hey, there's a dinosaur" to get the attraction.

 

With Potter, I felt completely lost and the entire land meant nothing to me.

 

I went through it once, it didn't appeal to me, and I'm done. That's it. I personally don't have any reason to go back because I feel they designed that land for people who are casual Potter fans and up.

 

For the random person who hasn't seen the movies or read the books, it just doesn't play well to those people, and the responses you hear from the non-Potter fans even on this forum kinda reflect that.

 

I'm all for building a $200 million dollar ride and the equivalent expansion. But build something I can appreciate, even without having seen any of the movies.

 

That right there is my biggest issue with the Potter lands.

 

--Robb "It's built for the fans, not for everyone." Alvey

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