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P. 61: America's First 'Slidewheel' opening Summer 2022!

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Indiana Beach has been under new ownership since about 2009. Every year since, things have quickly gone down hill. Those 2 woodies always ran great and were always reliable. I dunno, I don't want to speculate what is really or was really going on at Indiana Beach... but I've heard good reports this year so far. I hope the Indiana Beach I've known and loved for most of my life returns.

 

I was there the year Cornball Express opened, and it was outstanding, but the Hurricane was a mess. I don't deny anything about what has happened the last couple years, but it definitely didn't always run awesome in previous management either. I've just never found the metal supported woodies to hold up worth anything.

 

The steel supported woodies are generally more jarring than wood supported woodies, especially if not maintained well. Steel doesn't have the same amount of movement - or "give" - that a wooden structure does. The non-intended accelerations (pot holes, etc.) are more efficiently transmitted through the track -> wheels -> seat and into YOU, the rider. With a brand new steel structure woodie (I'm thinking Hades in 2005, it's first season) a coaster can run GREAT. There is less momentum lost with a steel structure, as the forces, yadda yadda yadda... but when it's not maintained, things start to hurt.

 

I mostly agree with you, but it seems like the lack of give should also theoretically make it hold up better, longer. I would expect the additional give in a wooden structure would accelerate the appearance of potholes and whatnot, but with few exceptions (Son of Beast, I'm lookin' at you... er... your remains) it seems like steel framed wood gets WAY worse potholes WAY quicker.

 

Right? Or my imagination from relatively limited ride experience on the steel woodies?

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but the Hurricane was a mess. I don't deny anything about what has happened the last couple years, but it definitely didn't always run awesome in previous management either. I've just never found the metal supported woodies to hold up worth anything.

 

I'll assume you didn't ride it last year? It was horrendous. I went for their annual "Hawg Wild" event and people weren't riding it during ERT; that bad. In previous years, the "bridge drop" could be a little rough and pot-holey, but nothing like last year.

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I kind of forgot to ask earlier, but how accommodating are the seats? I'm 6'1" 177 lbs, so I'll have no trouble fitting at all; my friend, however, is in the mid 300's. He rode Hades before with the original train and made it, but I was wondering how forgiving the restraints on the Timberliners were.

 

Hopefully I can make it out between Sunday and Tuesday. I'm chomping at the bit to get some Hades action and do an in-depth report of my favorite ride.

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I'm 6-1 and 220, and I had no problem. I did see one guy not able to ride because of his size. Your friend will probably just have to get in and try it out, hope he gets to ride!

 

Hopefully I can make it out between Sunday and Tuesday. I'm chomping at the bit to get some Hades action and do an in-depth report of my favorite ride.

 

I'm looking forward to more reports! I never got to know the ride too well. I went a few times since it opened in 2005, but didn't have the greatest experiences at the park - that kept me from going more. I broke down and got a season pass this year, so I'll at least go once or twice more.

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^I mean, from the sounds of it there was only a three-train wait when the ride reopened. Does Mt. Olympus need a second train? They didn't before as far as I know, and now they've even increased capacity a bit with the new ones.

 

I waited 45 minutes in the slowest moving line I have ever seen back in 2010. A second train would be nice. However adding a transfer track is the problem here.

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^ ^^ Both have valid points, i dont know how popular the park is but you would have figured they might as well have added a new part to the break run so it could at least operate two trains if the park got crowded

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^ ^^ Both have valid points, i dont know how popular the park is but you would have figured they might as well have added a new part to the break run so it could at least operate two trains if the park got crowded

You just said "both have valid points" but you completely missed the entire point of why they can't run two trains -

However adding a transfer track is the problem here.

 

It's not exactly like RollerCoaster Tycoon where the number of trains you can have is the amount of block sections minus one. If you run multiple trains, you have to be able to transfer one off in case something goes wrong. If something went wrong with one of the trains, how long would you rather wait - a day or more until they can pry the bad train off of the continuous-circuit track, or twenty minutes while they push the bad train onto a transfer section and, you know, transfer it off so they can continue to run the "good" train?

 

I honestly can't think of any multiple-train-running coaster that I've ridden that doesn't have some ability to transfer a train off, but I haven't ridden a multitude of coasters.

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Yeah, they need a second train on Hades. It's been a common complaint for years. Heck, with a slightly longer brake run (that could be done, of course) it would be good for 3 trains.

 

There was a video a while back where the park owner, Nick Laskaris, was talking about the capacity complaints. I think the jist of it was, "well - it costs money." He may have said something about waiting to see how the Timberliner handles/wears the track, but I can't remember exactly. I understand things cost money, but a 2nd train would be nice. But before that, the ride needs lots of track work. So do Zeus and Cyclops. It will be interesting to find out how the Timberliner train handles a big coaster over a season vs. what it was like with the PTC. Those new trains were built with Voyage in mind... they're supposed to be better in all departments: capacity, comfort, maintenance/cost. So far, they get my vote for comfort.

 

Zeus would be ok with a Timberliner train, but I hope they never replace the PTC buzz bar train on Cyclops. Only new track, please

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Yeah, they need a second train on Hades. It's been a common complaint for years. Heck, with a slightly longer brake run (that could be done, of course) it would be good for 3 trains.

 

There was a video a while back where the park owner, Nick Laskaris, was talking about the capacity complaints. I think the jist of it was, "well - it costs money." He may have said something about waiting to see how the Timberliner handles/wears the track, but I can't remember exactly. I understand things cost money, but a 2nd train would be nice. But before that, the ride needs lots of track work. So do Zeus and Cyclops. It will be interesting to find out how the Timberliner train handles a big coaster over a season vs. what it was like with the PTC. Those new trains were built with Voyage in mind... they're supposed to be better in all departments: capacity, comfort, maintenance/cost. So far, they get my vote for comfort.

 

Zeus would be ok with a Timberliner train, but I hope they never replace the PTC buzz bar train on Cyclops. Only new track, please

 

The train on Cyclops is absolutely mutilated. The second to last row on the train's lap bar was actually sawed off because it wasn't working. The train is old and beat up, and the track is in horrible shape. I think Cyclops is the worst maintained roller coaster I've ever seen. Since I agree with you and would love to see an old PTC train still used on Cyclops, why not just use the old Hades train?

 

Edit: Herp derp I can't type

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After going on memorial day i think we would see train replacements needed on Cyclops and Zuess long before you will see them add a second train to Hades. What I would really expect to see is the Old PTC's from Hades moved over to Cyclops or Zuess. I could see them still on site down near the maintenance area down by the waterpark area. Wish i would have thought to grab the camera on our way back thru from the indoor waterpark. Also If anyone hasn't checked out my trip report here is link! #shamelessplug

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'Old PTC's from Hades moved over to Cyclops or Zues'

Honestly that would destroy Cyclops, the ejector would be NOWHERE near as good as with the current PTC trains, and honestly, the ride hasn't killed anyone (that I know of), all I'd do is refurbish them, and maybe add a 6th car while I'm at it (crazy, I know), and MAYBE, just maybe re-do the end of the ride to have a helix of some sort before the station but after the infamous drop (likely hug the hill, giving Cyclops a slightly stronger finish on top of the drop), with a complete re-tracking of course and topper added at the bottom of the drop (the only bad part for me at least), but replacing the trains is NOT in the picture, as for Zeus, the trains will do squat to improve the brutal ride,

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There's many things I love about Hades but my favorite thing is how aggressive the ride is, especially in the tunnel when it kind of tosses you around in the darkness. Something I did notice like many others on here who have ridden it is how much rougher it has become over the years. It really started becoming painful around those last few turns towards the end of the ride around the 2008 season. I remember riding it in 2007 and while it was still rough, it seemed like a big jump from 2007 to 2008 in terms of how violent it was during the 2nd half of the ride.

 

I have yet to ride Hades 360 but I'm hearing the Timberliner is pretty comfortable though the ride is still quite brutal in the 2nd half of the course. I'm hoping to be able to go up to the Dells for a day sometime in the next 2-3 weeks to get some rides in on Hades 360 and I'll be sure to post my review of the ride. Also, they are still planning a media day which will be sometime this month. As long as my schedule stays clear, I should be able to attend that as well. Looking forward to riding this again!

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