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P. 61: America's First 'Slidewheel' opening Summer 2022!

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I'll be completely honest about this, from the moment that I heard the announcement that I was like 'are you kidding me', for starters I've been against Timbeliners from day 1 because I HATE how they look (one of my friends compared them to mutated go karts), and honestly I feel that they committed a crime with this because IMHO you should NEVER be able to add an invert to an existing woodie and keep it a woodie, the RMC iron horse treatment is another story (since it's now a steel coaster), and I know this place well, it's my home park afterall, which I'm ashamed to say, and the overbank feels absolutely unnecessary since it overshadows the 90 degree bank, and the name, really how original,

But the fact that apparently it's STILL rough just shows that they (IMHO) screwed up, but is Hades old train now on Cyclops? but to those of you who have been there, how are Zeus and Cyclops riding, not that I ever want to ride Zeus again (first ride was BRUTAL, and I regret riding it again the next year, DON'T RIDE ZEUS! NOT EVEN THE VERY FRONT IS ANY BETTER!), don't want to end of with an ACTUAL broken rib (though on the flip side, I might have a reason to sue the park then and force them to change the that they DESPERATELY need to do), but Cyclops is my current #1 after one ride that I'll never forget, and the only bad part on Cyclops for me at least is the bottom of the 'drop o death' , and I want to know how it has fared since last season, and with Pegasus were the ONLY 2 good rides there last season , and BTW I also rode Hellcat last year, and THAT puts Zeus to shame in shear brutality that a ride could EVER give,

But with my 'rant' over, now what I'd do, well at least the gist of it since it would go on for damn near ever

Have Rocky Mountain give Zeus the ol' iron horse treatment and give it the name Wrath of Zeus, change they layout have a barrel roll (now a steel hybrid, not a woodie) and give it an L shaped layout from the drop (I know that layout shape includes the lift, but it makes more sense to me in this case),

Add a few flat rides, an Intamin half-pipe (originally the Boomerang from Alabama's Adventure), add a Euro-Fighter, level the indoor theme park for a new GCI woodie, among MANY other things,

 

Comparing Hades 360 to The Voyage, why is a ride only allowed one key maneuver? The overbanked turn rides so beautifully and does nothing to overshadow the 90 degree turn, it adds to the overall experience of the ride. The overbanked turn is actually my favorite part of the new addition. It was such an incredible way of changing directions when at high speed. It doesn't simply point you to the ground and turn; the ride starts at an upward angle, begins the turn, and the rotation happens about a fixed point with an invisible line being drawn about the riders spines to that fixed point for the entire maneuver. It's so beautiful I can't even comprehend what this will do for roller coasters of the future. Think of any huge B&M with a hammerhead turn where the riders bank towards the ground versus the air. This is the real beauty of Gravity Group's design. CORRECTION: I just remembered Leviathan as well as Diamondback does in fact have a downward facing hammerhead turn.

 

I do agree with you on most of the rest of what you said; Zeus needs an overhaul and so does Cyclops. The old Hades train is nowhere to be found and the Zeus backseat was out of commission today. The first drop on Pegasus was rebuilt, however.

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I think I will get banned from the site for this, which is sad because I should be allowed to have my own opinion here, and anyone is free to disagree with it. However, there has been a lot of talk on youtube around the Hades video and whether or not it is infact a wooden coaster, or a hybrid. Well, I just have to share a link that shows that Rocky Mountain Construction as a company does identify even some of their roller coasters as Hybrid. I feel Hades is a hybrid, others may agree, and others may not. I am not a moron for thinking this, I am not stupid for thinking this. I have an opinion. If you cut any of us, we bleed red. We are all entitled to our own thoughts and opinions, and this is a public place.

Here is the link.

http://www.rockymtnconstruction.com/rollercoasters/roller_coasters.html

 

I'm not sure that anyone would object to you having an opinion. I'm just not sure what this link is supposed to prove. So RMC considers some of their builds wood/hybrid/steel. What does that have to do with Gravity Group and Hades 360? And not to try to be mean about your opinion, but I have to disagree. Hades is very much a wooden roller coaster; it meets all of the basic criteria for a wooden roller coaster, the least of which being a completely wooden track. I don't want to dig really deeply into this, but I am curious as to why you developed an opinion that Hades 360 is a hybrid wooden/steel roller coaster.

 

 

I did a lot of research online. I looked on several websites and everywhere that I have looked define a hybrid roller coaster by having different structural material from track material. I saw someone had said that hybrid was a term six flags had come up with, but it isn't. Coaster design companies also consider Hybrid coasters to have one structure material, and a different track material. So I guess I don't understand how just the track is the deciding factor for what kind of roller coaster. I thought it was decided by the roller coaster as a whole!?

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The Mt. Olympus website is advertising Hades 360 as the world's first upside-down roller coaster.

Okay, I'm sorry, but this is ridiculous. It is the third inverting wooden coaster, after Son of Beast and Outlaw Run.

I let Outlaw Run's same advertisement slide, because SOB had already been closed for a few years.

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I'll be completely honest about this, from the moment that I heard the announcement that I was like 'are you kidding me', for starters I've been against Timbeliners from day 1 because I HATE how they look (one of my friends compared them to mutated go karts), and honestly I feel that they committed a crime with this because IMHO you should NEVER be able to add an invert to an existing woodie and keep it a woodie, the RMC iron horse treatment is another story (since it's now a steel coaster), and I know this place well, it's my home park afterall, which I'm ashamed to say, and the overbank feels absolutely unnecessary since it overshadows the 90 degree bank, and the name, really how original,

But the fact that apparently it's STILL rough just shows that they (IMHO) screwed up, but is Hades old train now on Cyclops? but to those of you who have been there, how are Zeus and Cyclops riding, not that I ever want to ride Zeus again (first ride was BRUTAL, and I regret riding it again the next year, DON'T RIDE ZEUS! NOT EVEN THE VERY FRONT IS ANY BETTER!), don't want to end of with an ACTUAL broken rib (though on the flip side, I might have a reason to sue the park then and force them to change the that they DESPERATELY need to do), but Cyclops is my current #1 after one ride that I'll never forget, and the only bad part on Cyclops for me at least is the bottom of the 'drop o death' , and I want to know how it has fared since last season, and with Pegasus were the ONLY 2 good rides there last season , and BTW I also rode Hellcat last year, and THAT puts Zeus to shame in shear brutality that a ride could EVER give,

But with my 'rant' over, now what I'd do, well at least the gist of it since it would go on for damn near ever

Have Rocky Mountain give Zeus the ol' iron horse treatment and give it the name Wrath of Zeus, change they layout have a barrel roll (now a steel hybrid, not a woodie) and give it an L shaped layout from the drop (I know that layout shape includes the lift, but it makes more sense to me in this case),

Add a few flat rides, an Intamin half-pipe (originally the Boomerang from Alabama's Adventure), add a Euro-Fighter, level the indoor theme park for a new GCI woodie, among MANY other things,

 

I feel like this is one big, long, run-on sentence! I have tried reading it several times and all I get out of it is confusion and a headache.

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I think I will get banned from the site for this, which is sad because I should be allowed to have my own opinion here, and anyone is free to disagree with it. However, there has been a lot of talk on youtube around the Hades video and whether or not it is infact a wooden coaster, or a hybrid. Well, I just have to share a link that shows that Rocky Mountain Construction as a company does identify even some of their roller coasters as Hybrid. I feel Hades is a hybrid, others may agree, and others may not. I am not a moron for thinking this, I am not stupid for thinking this. I have an opinion. If you cut any of us, we bleed red. We are all entitled to our own thoughts and opinions, and this is a public place.

Here is the link.

http://www.rockymtnconstruction.com/rollercoasters/roller_coasters.html

I'm not having this stupid discussion on my forums.

 

Hades 360 is a wood coaster.

 

End of discussion.

 

Mitch Hawker doesn't have a "hybrid" coaster poll. RCDB doesn't have a "hybrid" coaster type. Amusement today doesn't have a "hybrid" golden ticket. If you want to call it a "hybrid" coaster, fine. Don't call it that here. And yes, I will ban you if you continue to argue it. It's not a matter of opinion, who is right or wrong, it's simply that I don't want this discussion on our forums and if you can't respect that, I don't want you as a member of this site.

 

Understood?

 

Thanks.

 

--Robb "If you have to ask if you're gonna get banned for posting something, you probably already know you shouldn't be posting it." Alvey

 

ps. This is not a "public place!!!!" This is my own personal website that you had to agree to a terms of service in order to join. So don't try to pull that "It's a public forum and I can say whatever I want to and if I can't then Alvey is a bad guy" bull-shit, ok? Got it? Are we clear now? Good!

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It's nice that they managed to boost the capacity a little (no more seatbelts and an extra 4 seats per train) but I really wish that they would try to make the Timberliners look a little better than that ugly, glossy plastic that will inevitably look like crap in a few years.

 

They look very comfortable!

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They are much more comfortable then the PTC trains! The individual lapbars is a huge improvement in safety, too, over the seat belt and that lap bar that never did anything.

 

PTC's and Arrow trains...LOL. Torture devices.

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Not necessarily. Some of the best wooden coasters in the world - Boulder Dash, Phoenix and Ravine Flyer II to name a few - run PTC trains. Ravine Flyer II is even the exact same setup as Hades - a Gravity Group steel-supported hybrid.

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Not necessarily. Some of the best wooden coasters in the world - Boulder Dash, Phoenix and Ravine Flyer II to name a few - run PTC trains. Ravine Flyer II is even the exact same setup as Hades - a Gravity Group steel-supported hybrid.

No. It's a wooden coaster. Ravine Flyer II is a steel supported wooden coaster.

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I'll be completely honest about this, from the moment that I heard the announcement that I was like 'are you kidding me', for starters I've been against Timbeliners from day 1 because I HATE how they look (one of my friends compared them to mutated go karts), and honestly I feel that they committed a crime with this because IMHO you should NEVER be able to add an invert to an existing woodie and keep it a woodie, the RMC iron horse treatment is another story (since it's now a steel coaster), and I know this place well, it's my home park afterall, which I'm ashamed to say, and the overbank feels absolutely unnecessary since it overshadows the 90 degree bank, and the name, really how original,

But the fact that apparently it's STILL rough just shows that they (IMHO) screwed up, but is Hades old train now on Cyclops? but to those of you who have been there, how are Zeus and Cyclops riding, not that I ever want to ride Zeus again (first ride was BRUTAL, and I regret riding it again the next year, DON'T RIDE ZEUS! NOT EVEN THE VERY FRONT IS ANY BETTER!), don't want to end of with an ACTUAL broken rib (though on the flip side, I might have a reason to sue the park then and force them to change the that they DESPERATELY need to do), but Cyclops is my current #1 after one ride that I'll never forget, and the only bad part on Cyclops for me at least is the bottom of the 'drop o death' , and I want to know how it has fared since last season, and with Pegasus were the ONLY 2 good rides there last season , and BTW I also rode Hellcat last year, and THAT puts Zeus to shame in shear brutality that a ride could EVER give,

But with my 'rant' over, now what I'd do, well at least the gist of it since it would go on for damn near ever

Have Rocky Mountain give Zeus the ol' iron horse treatment and give it the name Wrath of Zeus, change they layout have a barrel roll (now a steel grape flavored fruit chew, not a woodie) and give it an L shaped layout from the drop (I know that layout shape includes the lift, but it makes more sense to me in this case),

Add a few flat rides, an Intamin half-pipe (originally the Boomerang from Alabama's Adventure), add a Euro-Fighter, level the indoor theme park for a new GCI woodie, among MANY other things,

 

Comparing Hades 360 to The Voyage, why is a ride only allowed one key maneuver? The overbanked turn rides so beautifully and does nothing to overshadow the 90 degree turn, it adds to the overall experience of the ride. The overbanked turn is actually my favorite part of the new addition. It was such an incredible way of changing directions when at high speed. It doesn't simply point you to the ground and turn; the ride starts at an upward angle, begins the turn, and the rotation happens about a fixed point with an invisible line being drawn about the riders spines to that fixed point for the entire maneuver. It's so beautiful I can't even comprehend what this will do for roller coasters of the future. Think of any huge B&M with a hammerhead turn where the riders bank towards the ground versus the air. This is the real beauty of Gravity Group's design. CORRECTION: I just remembered Leviathan as well as Diamondback does in fact have a downward facing hammerhead turn.

 

I do agree with you on most of the rest of what you said; Zeus needs an overhaul and so does Cyclops. The old Hades train is nowhere to be found and the Zeus backseat was out of commission today. The first drop on Pegasus was rebuilt, however.

 

The old trains are sitting behind the long "building of retail" Could see them today in the little gap between that and the "indoor theme park" section

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I suddenly have a taste for something grape With all this bickering about is it/isn't it wood, etc., I've never heard anyone acknowledge that the original Texas Giant's first drop opened with steel I-beam track. From about a third the way down and up to the first curve. The ride opened that way; the I-beams weren't put on later, as they were on American Eagle and Colossus. Six Flags learned their lesson with HUGE wooden drops and opened the ole' boy with steel track on the first drop.

 

But guess what? It was still a wooden coaster to everyone. It was still a top rated wooden coaster (for the first few years anyway). American Eagle - with it's steel I-beams from first drop to helix - is still a wood coaster to most people. No one ever throws a fuss over that. So why all the debate about Hades/Outlaw Run, etc.? Maybe it's due to the parks claims?

 

Here is a picture of the Giant's first steel drop. Notice, the galvanized steel "I-beam" track with matching steel track ties. Same as on American Eagle (all the steel track and ties on AE are painted blue; that's an easy way to tell where the steel track starts and stops.) In both cases, there are still 2 layers of wood track on top of the I-beam track; opposite configuration of topper track.

 

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Too bad they didn't replace more of the track. I do like the trains, they remind me of those metal building kits I had as a kid.

 

The track they did replace was incredibly good, though. Coming out of the tunnel past the station the second time used to be so brutal and is much improved.

 

At least we got something.

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Maybe it's due to the parks claims?

 

Bingo. I've said it before, but really the difference between what a roller coaster is really comes down to how the park bills that ride. You can classify lots of things different ways - there used to be "inversion debates" about 12 years ago with enthusiasts over if the inclined loop on Chang for instance counted as an inversion, and then if the first overbank turn on Millenium Force counted as an inversion and so on.

 

Ultimately, the owners of the ride said that Chang was an inversion, and Millenium Force wasn't, so how much arguing can there really be? If Mt Olympus wants to call Hades the first ever donut buster coaster, it's the first ever donut buster coaster. If you believe it is up to you, but it's a losing battle to argue that a ride is or does something that the park doesn't claim that it does, or doesn't do something that they claim it does.

 

With that, I'll just add that I have always found it fascinating that the steel supported wood coasters I have been on all seem to age really, really poorly. I heard about Hades before this being really rough, the MegaZeph was a jackhammer when I rode it, the Villian went from awesome to crap quickly, the Hurricane and Cornball Express were both really jackhammer-y... Anyone know why? I would have thought these would have all held up a LOT better than they seem to.

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With that, I'll just add that I have always found it fascinating that the steel supported wood coasters I have been on all seem to age really, really poorly. I heard about Hades before this being really rough, the MegaZeph was a jackhammer when I rode it, the Villian went from awesome to crap quickly, the Hurricane and Cornball Express were both really jackhammer-y... Anyone know why? I would have thought these would have all held up a LOT better than they seem to.

 

Indiana Beach has been under new ownership since about 2009. Every year since, things have quickly gone down hill. Those 2 woodies always ran great and were always reliable. I dunno, I don't want to speculate what is really or was really going on at Indiana Beach... but I've heard good reports this year so far. I hope the Indiana Beach I've known and loved for most of my life returns.

 

The steel supported woodies are generally more jarring than wood supported woodies, especially if not maintained well. Steel doesn't have the same amount of movement - or "give" - that a wooden structure does. The non-intended accelerations (pot holes, etc.) are more efficiently transmitted through the track -> wheels -> seat and into YOU, the rider. With a brand new steel structure woodie (I'm thinking Hades in 2005, it's first season) a coaster can run GREAT. There is less momentum lost with a steel structure, as the forces, yadda yadda yadda... but when it's not maintained, things start to hurt.

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