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Mt. Olympus is essentially a glorified carnival! Each time I visit the park, something is always broken and appears to have been fixed by an amateur Jiffy Lube mechanic. I've seen duct tape and bungy cables on more than 1 coaster...and plenty of tape on the go karts. Also, Opa cars that are swinging back and forth going up the lift (while the others are not). I've exited Zeus and had the seat come up with me. Not to mention the ride ops having to push the train out of the station on Zeus (before promptly returning to their stool to continue their text message).

 

It's a shame because I also rode Hades back in 2005 and it was easily a top 5 wooden coaster at the time. But, with that said, I can't say that I'm suprised it's not getting the care that it needs & deserves.

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Oh please, we all know it's because the coroner hasn't completed their investigations yet.  Keep an eye out for the chalk outlines, Dan!  Good luck!

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Mt. Olympus is essentially a glorified carnival! Each time I visit the park, something is always broken and appears to have been fixed by an amateur Jiffy Lube mechanic. I've seen duct tape and bungy cables on more than 1 coaster...and plenty of tape on the go karts. Also, Opa cars that are swinging back and forth going up the lift (while the others are not). I've exited Zeus and had the seat come up with me when I stand up. Not to mention the ride ops having to push the train out of the station on Zeus (before promptly returning to their stool to continue their text message).

 

It's a shame because I also rode Hades back in 2005 and it was easily a top 5 wooden coaster at the time. But, with that said, I can't say that I'm surprised it's not getting the care that it needs & deserves.

 

 

The park owner has stated that they can't afford 2 trains for Hades. That should be a big enough warning for the park. All well, They bought another hotel. How bad are the hotels when they cost less than a coaster train? I would love if Merlin or some big chain like Palace would acquire it and make it good.

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The entire resort has TONS of potential. I mean, we've stayed on property several times, and while very expensive, the rooms aren't bad for what they are. And overall, Mt. Olympus has a TON of things to do and lots of offerings. But I really do feel they need to focus on fixing up their wooden coasters and maybe even pay a bit of attention to customer service.

 

I'm "ok" with their being only one train on Hades 360 (even though I would prefer two), and I'd MUCH rather see the park make the coasters "rideable" again over getting a second train on them.

 

The park has a trio of potentially AWESOME AWESOME roller coasters. But they all are currently running like crap. And it's really disappointing.

 

--Robb

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I was at Mt. Olympus this past Thursday the 8th for my very first trip to the park and was able to get a couple of rides on Hades 360. I am going to refrain from saying too much here as I'm working on a TR of my whole trip (also went to Valleyfair and Nickelodeon Universe at the Mall of America), but I must have caught Hades on a really good day because I found it to not nearly as bad as some other woodies I've had the displeasure to ride. It was far from the best, but better than the worst I've ever ridden.

However, I only rode in the very front seat (wasn't going to risk going too far back since there was some pretty good jackhammering near the end of the ride which would have only gotten worse; that and the front seat line wasn't that long), so maybe I missed the worst of it that day.

It had some interesting elements (the drop out of the station and stuff before the lift, the elements in the tunnels, and also the loop, though I still think loops on woodies are nothing but gimmicks), and also some pretty rough patches (as noted especially at the end). And yes, I also thought that it lacked re-rideability - if there was an ERT I don't think I would have been good for anymore than two rides in a row, and then only in the front. I also noticed that sign about it being aggressive and thought it was rather odd.

 

Speaking of roughness and not allowing children to ride, they were not allowing anyone under 18 to ride in the back few seats on one of the other woodies (I think it was Cyclops), which is really a bad testament to roughness. I rode all 4 woodies only in the front, and of the 4, Zeus was by far the worst, IMO. I almost wish I hadn't gotten the cred on that one, but then again, I wouldn't have hit my 200th coaster on this past trip.

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I will be in Milwaukee on Sunday and I was planning to go to Mt. Olympus. After all the reviews should I just skip it and go to SFGAm instead? I was just at SF last month. I was going to grab Little Amerricka and Hellcat over at Timber Falls also.

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For my family, Mt. Olympus was a good value. We got a nice room for 6 of us for only $99 in June of 2011. That's a great deal to get two days of rides, carts, and water park with the kids. Plus, you have Avalanche/Hellcat down the street, and we hit Little Amerrika on the way home. This week, they have RV sites for $50 for 6 people. Hard to beat that (if you have a camper). Not the best coaster condition or ride ops, but I did not hate it like many do, and I really liked Hades. SFGAm is only 15 minutes away and we have passes there, and of course it's better, but I would go to Mt. Olympus again.

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^Elissa, didn't you used to really enjoy Hades? How does it compare now from your previous visit? Did the Timberliners help at all?

 

I rode Hades opening year 2005 and it was fantastic! I really enjoyed it...and I do NOT like rough rides at all.

 

Then I rode it in 07, and it was rough and dropped quite a bit in my mind.

 

When we went to the park in 2010 I was warned not to ride it as it was pretty far gone.

 

Last week I rode it hoping for the best and was quickly killed. It was by far the roughest ride I've been on EVER, and I've been on a lot of terrible rides (SOB, White Canyon, Gouderix, SLC's, Outer Limits with OTSR's, etc.).

 

I was honestly offended and horrified that the park would leave a ride like that operating. To think that six and seven year old children could be put on that ride not quite knowing that the 'Hades is running agressive today' sign is a nice way of saying 'stay away!' scared me.

 

When you bring a group of 93 enthusiasts to the park for ERT and most give up after one ride, and nearly all after the second ride, something is wrong. Even people that 'love rough rides' thought the ride was too rough! I was having to beg people to go ride again so Robb could get footage.

 

What bums me out is that the ride has a ton of potential. It's a fantastic layout and setting, you're just in so much pain you can't enjoy it.

 

As someone who found The Boss rough but still enjoyable (rode it the day before three times, including in the back), and would even put Gwazi in my "not too bad" category, Hades 360 was just agonizing. I would not be surprised to see someone get a severe injury from this coaster in the next year or two without some kind of intervention.

 

I have no idea how Gravity Group could even sign off on this ride - it needed a complete re-tracking to have any chance of being good. Honestly, this is giving Gravity Group a bad name and if I were in their position, I would not have agreed to do the Hades 360 modification without a contractual obligation from Mt. Olympus to maintain the ride properly.

 

As for the Timberliner trains, I'm now really concerned about seeing them on rides like Voyage. They should be really comfortable on a smooth coaster, but without anything to brace yourself against (the grip area on the lapbar is pretty awkward to hold), any rough sections of track will be painful.

 

Still had a good time at Mt. Olympus despite its sketchiness (Zeus in the front, and Cyclops in the back were amazing), but Hades 360 was quite a disappointment. As Elissa said, so much wasted potential...

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That's really a shame, it looks like such a great ride. Why can't somebody who gives a crap buy the park and fix it? Why do the owners think they can run a business this way?

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I have no idea how Gravity Group could even sign off on this ride - it needed a complete re-tracking to have any chance of being good. Honestly, this is giving Gravity Group a bad name and if I were in their position, I would not have agreed to do the Hades 360 modification without a contractual obligation from Mt. Olympus to maintain the ride properly.

 

As for the Timberliner trains, I'm now really concerned about seeing them on rides like Voyage. They should be really comfortable on a smooth coaster, but without anything to brace yourself against (the grip area on the lapbar is pretty awkward to hold), any rough sections of track will be painful.

 

The Gravity Group signed off on it because Mt. Olympus gave them their first chance to design a wooden coaster and the chance to prove they could go upside down. They also probably needed the business since they only seem to be drawing interest from China. To be quite honest the only blame TGG should probably get is for designing such an aggressive layout, but I much rather have them design aggressive layouts than boring ones. Most of the blame should fall on the parks shoulder. They purchased what they wanted and it's their job to maintain it, not the designers.

 

As for the Voyage, I hope it's at least slightly better than before. HW actually tries their best to maintain the Voyage. It's just hard for them to cover that much track with their maintenance budget and 2 other old aggressive coasters in the park. But as I said before, HW purchased what they wanted, so it's their job to keep it maintained.

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I rode Hades 360 about a week after it opened to the public. The only enjoyable seat was the front row, which actually provided a decent ride. From what it sounds like, the ride has just gotten rougher this summer.

 

Imagine the "Quality" of the ride in 3 years.

 

 

Sounds like Hades 360 makes Mean Streak look good.

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As for the Timberliner trains, I'm now really concerned about seeing them on rides like Voyage.

 

 

The thing about the Timberliner train that I think everyone realized on the trip when they rode Hades 360 is that turning every seat into a wheel seat was perhaps not the best thing to do on a already rough coaster. I'm sure the trains will prove to be great on new GG woodies, but I and a few other trip members were wondering if the PTC trains did so much damage to the ride that even a total retracking might not bring it back to it's former glory.

 

Right now we can only wait and see if the combination of a gentler train and progressive retracking of the older sections of the ride can bring Hades back to world class coaster status.

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^ I don't think the PTC's damaged the ride beyond repair, especially since the ride utilizes a steel structure. If they ever do a full re-track, it would be wise for them to hire TGG to come in and do a ledger by ledger analysis. Ledgers are going to move, especially in places of high-g forces. If they move even a quarter of an inch, it will be enough to make difference in the smoothness of the ride. So simply going through and bumping the ledgers up where needed is going to make the ride significantly smoother. If they don't do that and just re-track the ride, I say it will be better, but will still have it's bumps.

 

Btw, great point about every seat being a wheel seat and that could have been why it was so rough. If I had to guess, I'm assuming the trains are still wanting to bounce around the track. I think TGG should seriously look at RMC's trains and the suspension system it uses to keep the side wheels in contact with track at all times. Idk if it's possible to incorporate that suspension system in with the bogey steering system, but it's something they should look into.

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I still question Gravity Group's ability to design these big, forceful coasters. Hades and voyage have some big issues and all the blame should not be put on the park.

 

However, Mt. Olympus has certainly done nothing to ease the issues. I would say that probably about 70 to 80% of the blame should be put on the park in the case of Hades. with 10 to 20% of the blame being put on PTC. I really love the Gravity Group's designs. They are fantastic and a great improvement over the old CCI designs, but they still have the problems that the CCI coasters have now, where they are showing their age much more quickly. That being said, I am now a total RMC fan on top of already being an Intamin fan for wooden coasters, so it is hard for me to really stay unbiased.

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I still question Gravity Group's ability to design these big, forceful coasters. Hades and voyage have some big issues and all the blame should not be put on the park.

 

I agree with this to a point. But if a park is going to install an intense, huge wooden coaster like Hades or Voyage, they had better be prepared to do all they can to maintain it properly. For example, Happy Valley Shanghai had obviously done a lot of retracking on Fireball, and it was running very well during TPR's China Trip last year. But Jon is an actual engineer and, frankly, knows more about this stuff than I do.

 

In for a penny, in for a pound. (Or just go with Intamin plug-and-play woodies or a solid GCI coaster. )

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I rode Hades 360 about a week after it opened to the public. The only enjoyable seat was the front row, which actually provided a decent ride. From what it sounds like, the ride has just gotten rougher this summer.

I read "enjoyable" as "didn't kill me as much as the rest of the train."

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I was at Mt. Olympus this past Thursday the 8th for my very first trip to the park and was able to get a couple of rides on Hades 360. I am going to refrain from saying too much here as I'm working on a TR of my whole trip (also went to Valleyfair and Nickelodeon Universe at the Mall of America), but I must have caught Hades on a really good day because I found it to not nearly as bad as some other woodies I've had the displeasure to ride. It was far from the best, but better than the worst I've ever ridden.

However, I only rode in the very front seat (wasn't going to risk going too far back since there was some pretty good jackhammering near the end of the ride which would have only gotten worse; that and the front seat line wasn't that long), so maybe I missed the worst of it that day.

It had some interesting elements (the drop out of the station and stuff before the lift, the elements in the tunnels, and also the loop, though I still think loops on woodies are nothing but gimmicks), and also some pretty rough patches (as noted especially at the end). And yes, I also thought that it lacked re-rideability - if there was an ERT I don't think I would have been good for anymore than two rides in a row, and then only in the front. I also noticed that sign about it being aggressive and thought it was rather odd.

 

Speaking of roughness and not allowing children to ride, they were not allowing anyone under 18 to ride in the back few seats on one of the other woodies (I think it was Cyclops), which is really a bad testament to roughness. I rode all 4 woodies only in the front, and of the 4, Zeus was by far the worst, IMO. I almost wish I hadn't gotten the cred on that one, but then again, I wouldn't have hit my 200th coaster on this past trip.

 

The reason no one under 18 can't ride on the backseats of Cyclops is because of the ridiculous ejector air you get from one of the drops.

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I still question Gravity Group's ability to design these big, forceful coasters. Hades and voyage have some big issues and all the blame should not be put on the park.

 

I think it's more compelling that TGG hasn't designed a roller coaster with a drop over 115 feet since The Voyage. To be fair to TGG, Holiday World really encouraged them to push the limits with The Voyage. When your a company that's in your second design, I don't think you tell the park no.

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^Though it was their second design as TGG, the designers still had a ton of experience from their work as CCI. Holiday World probably would not have had them build such a big ride if they were a completely new company...

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^That's true.

It comes down to this, I don't think Hades 360 is going to give TGG a bad name. Their designs hold half of the top 10 in the Mitch Hawker and Amusement Today polls and that should say more than one bad coaster. The Amusement Today poll is quite debatable though.

 

Other than Hades 360 and Voyage, has anybody had a rough ride on any other TGG coaster? I know I read Boardwalk Bullet was rough early on, but I thought I saw where someone said that Kemah Boardwalk seemed to have worked out the kinks.

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