Werner Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 Well this looks amazing and all, now i'm thinking... How about a high-five woodie, a brand new high-zeroG-five element! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewRnR Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 I decided to spend the afternoon at BGT and took a spin on Gwazi - thought about the Hades news after the ride. Gwazi was crap with PTCs, saw a major retracking about 6-12 months prior to the MFs being added, and then received decent about of retracking about 6-12 months after being added. The ride is still brutal - on newly retracked areas too. The interview with Alan from RMCC and the comment that you can't just switch trains makes me wonder (I work in marketing, I'm not an engineer so forgive me if this is stupid) is there more to it then retracking to get desired results from a new type of train? Does the structure have to change from a difference in forces? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spideyfreak Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 I think the key is to retrack, then new trains immediately afterwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFOGdude25 Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 (edited) ^It's a little more than that. The foundations that the ride sits on can settle (move) as the coaster ages, which can result in potholes. Chad Miller from GG touches on this during a Voyage-retracking video that Holiday World made at the beginning of the year. There are probably a few more variables that I'm unaware of as well. A way to remedy this is to adjust the ledgers that support the track. Edited November 19, 2012 by SFOGdude25 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyRCT3 Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 I decided to spend the afternoon at BGT and took a spin on Gwazi - thought about the Hades news after the ride. Gwazi was crap with PTCs, saw a major retracking about 6-12 months prior to the MFs being added, and then received decent about of retracking about 6-12 months after being added. The ride is still brutal - on newly retracked areas too. The interview with Alan from RMCC and the comment that you can't just switch trains makes me wonder (I work in marketing, I'm not an engineer so forgive me if this is stupid) is there more to it then retracking to get desired results from a new type of train? Does the structure have to change from a difference in forces? If re-tracking and new trains don't help.....seems to be structural issues there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A.J. Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 How about a high-five woodie, a brand new high-zeroG-five element! Continuing the rolls kind of defeats the purpose of the high-five element, yeah? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GayCoasterGuy Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 ^Well now we might see something like the inverted cross-over stuff that is on Dueling Dragons (Dragon Challenge) at Universal IOA but opposite and not inverted ... All this new inversion/loop/upside-down stuff on woodies (hybrids, etc.) has really opened up the door to a whole new realm of exciting possibilities. (On a side note - I always kinda thought Mind Bender at SFOG was like a "smooth woodie with loops" - with all it's air time and laterals. But I'm a total geek for that ride.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A.J. Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 ^Well now we might see something like the inverted cross-over stuff that is on Dueling Dragons (Dragon Challenge) at Universal IOA It's a great idea, but considering that Dragon Challenge's trains no longer cross over each other at that point (or duel at all), I don't think it's necessary. Why? Because United States. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texcoaster Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Mr. Freeze is listed in RCDB as a one-inversion coaster. Yeah, and so is Iron Shark. Also, NTAG and iRat are both listed as the SAME COASTER as the older, wooden versions of each ride. RCDB is a great tool when you want to find out where coasters are, see pics of them, and plan a trip.... but I've learned not to take it as gospel when finding out specifics about a ride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gisco Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 So are people going to count this as a new credit with the addition of the roll? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topdrag Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 I would say yes to counting it as a new credit. It's a new name as well as a major redesign of the turnaround so I would see it as a new ride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 ^ That's a whole can of worms you just opened. I'd say it wouldn't count as a new credit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cfc Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Worms! Twisty, corkscrewy worms! I wouldn't count it as "new" either, but new is in the eye of the beholder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skycoastin Steve Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 I never got the original credit, so I have no bias in this case, but I've always said a major redesign should be considered a new credit (SOB with or without the loop comes immediately to mind). I could understand not counting it, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 ^ Would you count something like Magnum where that one hill was lowered and such? Where do you draw the line between reprofiled and new? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GayCoasterGuy Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 This makes me think that I should count Timberwolf, GA Cyclone and Texas Giant (not the new one) as 2 "credits" each as they all became something very different after the first few years... all the cutting and changes made to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
australianalex Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 I'm on the "only if it's a super, major change" side. I'd only count a modification as a new credit if it was highly significant, such as Steel Phantom/Phantom's Revenge, Texas Giant/New Texas Giant and Rattler/Iron Rattler where the entire layouts were completely changed. With Hades, changing one element will definitely change the ride experience, but not enough to warrant a whole new credit IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cfc Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 ^ Would you count something like Magnum where that one hill was lowered and such? Where do you draw the line between reprofiled and new? That would be like counting I305 twice--once before and once after the reprofiling. In the case of Hades, I vote "no"; then again, I do count Knott's Motorcycle Chase and Wacky Soapbox Racers as two credits . . . hmm . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A.J. Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 (edited) 20 new credits! Edited November 20, 2012 by A.J. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meteornotes Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 ^And just imagine if they added a new train! dt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moose Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 (edited) Hmm, so if a coaster gets reprofiled and a new train, then it's a new credit? Many a wood coaster could then be counted numerous times. The reprofiling and new trains on SFNE's Cyclone made it suck, so I guess I should count it twice? Back on topic, I'm still not expecting this to be any good, at least in the long run. In my opinion Gravity Groups rides destroy themselves, making me suspect its a support design issue. Edited November 21, 2012 by Moose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skycoastin Steve Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 ^ Would you count something like Magnum where that one hill was lowered and such? Where do you draw the line between reprofiled and new? I wouldn't have considered that a major reprofile, nor would I could the 305 as a major one. However, adding/taking away an entire inversion is something major, especially on a wooden coaster. Which brings to mind Drachen Fire. Anyone ride both versions? Do you count both? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goatdan Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Back on topic, I'm still not expecting this to be any good, at least in the long run. In my opinion Gravity Groups rides destroy themselves, making me suspect its a support design issue. Are you basing that on CCI designs too? If not, I'm just curious what of theirs isn't holding up. Admittedly, I have been on only the Zippin Pippin rebuild, but that thing was an amazing surprise. I was under the impression from others that basically everything *except* Hades of theirs has been holding up pretty well, but I make no claims to being right on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skycoastin Steve Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 ^Voyage has been steadily getting rougher over the years, and they even rebuilt the spaghetti bowl turn around because of it. Ravine Flyer II has held up quite well over time, and the last time I rode it in 2011, it was still very smooth. Boardwalk Bullet has had to go through a lot of corrective maintenance, but from my understanding, that was because M&V bungled the construction in the first place. TGG just makes some extremely aggressive rides, and just like early GCIs, the PTC trains tear the track to shreds on those rides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
australianalex Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 What excites me is that now that they'll be using Timberliners on presumably all their new coasters we'll be seeing top class, smooth woodies from them. Just like GCI, as Steve said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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