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P. 7 - New Trains possibly derail on Manhattan Express???

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Not sure they'd release a statement unless there were news stories about it, in which case it'd likely be a generic 'the coaster experienced problems while testing, no riders were involved' kind of thing. I can't imagine they'd willingly go into detail and voluntarily tell the world the wheels fell off their new rollercoaster trains.

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1 hour ago, coasterbill said:

Yeah, there's no way they would make a statement on this. Why would you?

Just for information since they know pictures have been posted all over the internet showing the damage. Some PR for a city in ruins because of COVID.

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1 hour ago, u4icmusic said:

Just for information since they know pictures have been posted all over the internet showing the damage. Some PR for a city in ruins because of COVID.

LOL. I'm sure coming out with a statement as to why your new coaster trains derailed on the lift hill will definitely cause the masses to flock back to Vegas. Do you guys think about what you post before you post it? lmfao

There's no news story, therefore no reason for a statement. Only enthusiasts want to know what happened, and we'll likely never know for sure and rumors will swirl forever.

Either the Premier train had an issue navigating the course causing that much stress on the wheel assembly (doubtful but not impossible) or the wheel assembly in question was not installed correctly causing its complete failure. They'll most likely never come out and say why because no one but enthusiasts care.

 

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2 hours ago, u4icmusic said:

Just for information since they know pictures have been posted all over the internet showing the damage. Some PR for a city in ruins because of COVID.

If by "all over the internet" you mean one single non-coaster-fan-page news article in the first two pages of Google results for "big apple coaster derailment," on a website that doesn't even have enough traffic to register on any of the major website traffic tracking systems, sure, it's "all over the internet."  Seriously man, think before you post.

I'll also second the motions by Bill & Boldy that yeah, this is not good PR for either the New York New York, the coaster itself, or the city as a whole.

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I mean a whole seat apparently flew off the Battlestar Galactica coaster in Singapore during morning testing in March 2010 and the only public statement then was

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During our daily pre-opening testing yesterday morning prior to opening to the public, we found a technical problem on one of the ride vehicles and we are investigating at the Battlestar Galactica attraction.

I don't think it was until August there were finally details:

 

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On 25 March 2010, during its morning test cycle, BSG experienced a component failure of a ride seat post support that resulted in the detachment of a seat assembly. 

 

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On 1/1/2021 at 10:19 AM, VegasGuy89109 said:

1.1.21 Update. Looks like a good piece of the guide rail was replaced/repaired as well.

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Darn. For a second there I thought I might be spared the $20 I'll inevitably spend on this thing next time I'm in Vegas.

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17 hours ago, Garet said:

I mean a whole seat apparently flew off the Battlestar Galactica coaster in Singapore during morning testing in March 2010 and the only public statement then was

I don't think it was until August there were finally details:

 

 

 

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I'm very interested to see if the new trains improve the ride experience.  It's been years since I've ridden the Big Apple coaster or whatever they are calling it now due to its extreme roughness.  

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On 1/4/2021 at 6:33 PM, boldikus said:

LOL. I'm sure coming out with a statement as to why your new coaster trains derailed on the lift hill will definitely cause the masses to flock back to Vegas. Do you guys think about what you post before you post it? lmfao

There's no news story, therefore no reason for a statement. Only enthusiasts want to know what happened, and we'll likely never know for sure and rumors will swirl forever.

Either the Premier train had an issue navigating the course causing that much stress on the wheel assembly (doubtful but not impossible) or the wheel assembly in question was not installed correctly causing its complete failure. They'll most likely never come out and say why because no one but enthusiasts care.

 

I disagree. I think that people that are going to possibly ride that coaster in the future would like to know what happened and will the coaster be safe to ride when it reopens. Being honest about a major derailment or lift failure, or whatever happened would not be a black eye on the hotel or the city as a whole. Hiding what happened is a problem though.

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18 minutes ago, u4icmusic said:

I disagree. I think that people that are going to possibly ride that coaster in the future would like to know what happened and will the coaster be safe to ride when it reopens. Being honest about a major derailment or lift failure, or whatever happened would not be a black eye on the hotel or the city as a whole. Hiding what happened is a problem though.

I can bet you that 95% of the guests that ride this coaster will have no idea that the trains were replaced (unless there’s any kind of advertisement in the station or queue), that the testing resulted in damage to the track or that anything had to be fixed. Those kind of stories don’t make the national news via any medium. And as far as theme park incidents go, this is about as minor as they come. If it were Universal, Disney, SeaWorld, Six Flags or even Knott's, this might have gotten more coverage, but this is a casino that just happens to have a coaster that just happened to have a mishap during testing. There weren’t riders affected and no one was in danger, so it wouldn’t draw the standard attention that ride maintenance issues like these can sometimes pull with the bigger parks/chains.

And for these reasons, few will actually question or need some kind of formal acknowledgement of safety corrections that would make more guests want to ride. If the incident didn’t get negative publicity when it happened, there is no upside to drudging up a bad thing to have more visibility in an effort to say it is safe now. As far as the general public is concerned, the ride is safe as it was before its refurbishment, just as it will be when it reopens.

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29 minutes ago, u4icmusic said:

I disagree. I think that people that are going to possibly ride that coaster in the future would like to know what happened and will the coaster be safe to ride when it reopens. Being honest about a major derailment or lift failure, or whatever happened would not be a black eye on the hotel or the city as a whole. Hiding what happened is a problem though.

Your theory postulates that the general public, outside of coaster forums, will even know that something happened. As indicated by the near-complete lack of press that the incident received (not even Vegas' two major local news outlets, the Review-Journal or the Sun, picked it up), there is no reason to believe that they will.  They're not intentionally hiding anything; I'm sure if a member of the press reached out for a comment, they would provide one.  PR 101 is that you don't create press attention for negative things if they're not paying attention.

The coaster-enthusiast community, however, knows better than to spend $20 to ride a shitty Togo no matter what, so in the end virtually no one will be affected.  Except you, apparently.

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6 hours ago, jedimaster1227 said:

I can bet you that 95% of the guests that ride this coaster will have no idea that the trains were replaced

Several comments here imply that no one here realizes the trains were already replaced by Premier in 2006 either. As to improvement, lapbars would help, even with comfort collars, but I wouldn't expect any other difference. 

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16 minutes ago, bill_s said:

Several comments here imply that no one here realizes the trains were already replaced by Premier in 2006 either. As to improvement, lapbars would help, even with comfort collars, but I wouldn't expect any other difference. 

Plenty of people here, on a theme park-related forum know that the trains had been replaced previously. Those comments all relayed that the general public, the majority of the riders of Manhattan Express, don’t know that. 

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