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^The idea of compressed air launch system has been there before Alan Schilke started to design coasters. Yes he is currently one of the best designers but don't forget about other great designers.

 

Not sure how polyurethane wheels would perform on Dodonpa's track though, the tires they've been using have huge friction that slows down the train a lot. If they extend the track, something's gotta be done with the wheels I think.

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Regarding Cedar Fair parks getting any RMCs, at West Coast Bash on Sunday, Knott's VP of Maintenance and Construction, Jeff Gahagan, mentioned the only reason Cedar Fair didn't go with Topper Track on GhostRider was because they wanted to keep a classic woodie at the park. I took this to mean that Cedar Fair is not against using RMC, its they just haven't seen the right opportunity yet. Unlike Six Flags, who seemingly has decided wooden coasters should not exist (except El Toro), it seems that Cedar Fair has a respect for where their industry has come from.

Also Cedar Fair CEO Matt Ouimet has said that they want to always keep GhostRider as original as possible due to it being one of the last rides Walter Knott helped design. Boy am I glad they did. I think it's perfect the way it is right now. I never got a chance to ride it when it was originally great, so I always imagined how great it used to be, but I had no idea until I got on it this month.

 

Also, isn't Jeff Gahagan fascinating to listen to? He is very tight lipped during group Q&A's, but if you get him one on one or in a small group he is just a wealth of fascinating stories and details.

 

But sometimes, parks can Gather Certain Information from the condition of their wooden coasters and decide to go another route in order to keep a classic wooden coaster feel.

 

No thank you.

See above paragraph. You really should try Ghost Rider. I don't know how many parks would be willing to invest the time and money like KBF did to really overhaul the whole ride like that but GCI sure proved they can do it and do it right.
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^^-- no I think it was just for a smooth ride. When Hypersonic was in its original prototype state before being installed at KD it had giant drag car slicks for the back tires!!!

 

 

There was an S&S documentary that went through the development of the launch coasters of the time and this was the reason they gave, including images of the polyurethane wheels they'd tried before!

 

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Regarding Cedar Fair parks getting any RMCs, at West Coast Bash on Sunday, Knott's VP of Maintenance and Construction, Jeff Gahagan, mentioned the only reason Cedar Fair didn't go with Topper Track on GhostRider was because they wanted to keep a classic woodie at the park. I took this to mean that Cedar Fair is not against using RMC, its they just haven't seen the right opportunity yet. Unlike Six Flags, who seemingly has decided wooden coasters should not exist (except El Toro), it seems that Cedar Fair has a respect for where their industry has come from.

Also Cedar Fair CEO Matt Ouimet has said that they want to always keep GhostRider as original as possible due to it being one of the last rides Walter Knott helped design. Boy am I glad they did. I think it's perfect the way it is right now. I never got a chance to ride it when it was originally great, so I always imagined how great it used to be, but I had no idea until I got on it this month.

 

Also, isn't Jeff Gahagan fascinating to listen to? He is very tight lipped during group Q&A's, but if you get him one on one or in a small group he is just a wealth of fascinating stories and details.

 

But sometimes, parks can Gather Certain Information from the condition of their wooden coasters and decide to go another route in order to keep a classic wooden coaster feel.

 

No thank you.

See above paragraph. You really should try Ghost Rider. I don't know how many parks would be willing to invest the time and money like KBF did to really overhaul the whole ride like that but GCI sure proved they can do it and do it right.

 

But how long is it going to last? They didn't take care of the original ride. Some GCI's have gotten super rough. And I have heard Boulder Dash is pretty bad now.

 

And I am more confident in RMC throwing in crazy, intense elements where GCI is more gentle. Just a personal preference.

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Regarding Cedar Fair parks getting any RMCs, at West Coast Bash on Sunday, Knott's VP of Maintenance and Construction, Jeff Gahagan, mentioned the only reason Cedar Fair didn't go with Topper Track on GhostRider was because they wanted to keep a classic woodie at the park. I took this to mean that Cedar Fair is not against using RMC, its they just haven't seen the right opportunity yet. Unlike Six Flags, who seemingly has decided wooden coasters should not exist (except El Toro), it seems that Cedar Fair has a respect for where their industry has come from.

Also Cedar Fair CEO Matt Ouimet has said that they want to always keep GhostRider as original as possible due to it being one of the last rides Walter Knott helped design. Boy am I glad they did. I think it's perfect the way it is right now. I never got a chance to ride it when it was originally great, so I always imagined how great it used to be, but I had no idea until I got on it this month.

 

Also, isn't Jeff Gahagan fascinating to listen to? He is very tight lipped during group Q&A's, but if you get him one on one or in a small group he is just a wealth of fascinating stories and details.

 

But sometimes, parks can Gather Certain Information from the condition of their wooden coasters and decide to go another route in order to keep a classic wooden coaster feel.

 

No thank you.

See above paragraph. You really should try Ghost Rider. I don't know how many parks would be willing to invest the time and money like KBF did to really overhaul the whole ride like that but GCI sure proved they can do it and do it right.

 

But how long is it going to last? They didn't take care of the original ride. Some GCI's have gotten super rough. And I have heard Boulder Dash is pretty bad now.

 

And I am more confident in RMC throwing in crazy, intense elements where GCI is more gentle. Just a personal preference.

 

Well the 100% retrack and new trains should help the smoothness last a while at least... Too bad GhostRider is noticeably less forceful/fast/intense than with the PTC's it was designed for.

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Regarding Cedar Fair parks getting any RMCs, at West Coast Bash on Sunday, Knott's VP of Maintenance and Construction, Jeff Gahagan, mentioned the only reason Cedar Fair didn't go with Topper Track on GhostRider was because they wanted to keep a classic woodie at the park. I took this to mean that Cedar Fair is not against using RMC, its they just haven't seen the right opportunity yet. Unlike Six Flags, who seemingly has decided wooden coasters should not exist (except El Toro), it seems that Cedar Fair has a respect for where their industry has come from.

Also Cedar Fair CEO Matt Ouimet has said that they want to always keep GhostRider as original as possible due to it being one of the last rides Walter Knott helped design. Boy am I glad they did. I think it's perfect the way it is right now. I never got a chance to ride it when it was originally great, so I always imagined how great it used to be, but I had no idea until I got on it this month.

 

Also, isn't Jeff Gahagan fascinating to listen to? He is very tight lipped during group Q&A's, but if you get him one on one or in a small group he is just a wealth of fascinating stories and details.

 

But sometimes, parks can Gather Certain Information from the condition of their wooden coasters and decide to go another route in order to keep a classic wooden coaster feel.

 

No thank you.

See above paragraph. You really should try Ghost Rider. I don't know how many parks would be willing to invest the time and money like KBF did to really overhaul the whole ride like that but GCI sure proved they can do it and do it right.

 

But how long is it going to last? They didn't take care of the original ride. Some GCI's have gotten super rough. And I have heard Boulder Dash is pretty bad now.

 

And I am more confident in RMC throwing in crazy, intense elements where GCI is more gentle. Just a personal preference.

 

Just because the original ride was unbearably rough does not necessarily mean Knott's didn't take care of it. The park is open 364 days a year, and the ride has been operating more or less consistently every day since it opened in 1998. Taking this into consideration, along with the fact that the ride has an extra stiff structure due to seismic specifications in CA, it's almost impossible to keep the ride smooth.

 

That being said, I'm also very curious about how long this restoration will last due to these very reasons. Gold Striker just finished its 4th season of operation and from what I've heard, it's still just as great as ever. Time will tell.

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The GCIs from after 2004 or so tend to stay very smooth, as they were designed with the modern Millennium Flyer trains, and were never designed to accommodate PTC trains and their longer wheelbase and resulting shifting/shaking. It's probably only a matter of time until major parks stop ordering new PTC trains all together.

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The GCIs from after 2004 or so tend to stay very smooth, as they were designed with the modern Millennium Flyer trains, and were never designed to accommodate PTC trains and their longer wheelbase and resulting shifting/shaking. It's probably only a matter of time until major parks stop ordering new PTC trains all together.

 

Even though Ghostrider runs more cycles than any woodie in the country, I'm sure that Knott's will continue to maintain it. They didn't spend all that money on new trains and re-tracking just to have it deteriorate in a few years. The switch to MF trains, along with the re-profiling of certain areas and the use of Brazilian Hardwood, should keep GhostRider running smooth for many years to come.

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The GCIs from after 2004 or so tend to stay very smooth, as they were designed with the modern Millennium Flyer trains, and were never designed to accommodate PTC trains and their longer wheelbase and resulting shifting/shaking. It's probably only a matter of time until major parks stop ordering new PTC trains all together.

 

Even though Ghostrider runs more cycles than any woodie in the country, I'm sure that Knott's will continue to maintain it. They didn't spend all that money on new trains and re-tracking just to have it deteriorate in a few years. The switch to MF trains, along with the re-profiling of certain areas and the use of Brazilian Hardwood, should keep GhostRider running smooth for many years to come.

 

Does it really rub more cycles than any other wooden coaster in the country? That's pretty interesting.

 

 

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The GCIs from after 2004 or so tend to stay very smooth, as they were designed with the modern Millennium Flyer trains, and were never designed to accommodate PTC trains and their longer wheelbase and resulting shifting/shaking. It's probably only a matter of time until major parks stop ordering new PTC trains all together.

 

Even though Ghostrider runs more cycles than any woodie in the country, I'm sure that Knott's will continue to maintain it. They didn't spend all that money on new trains and re-tracking just to have it deteriorate in a few years. The switch to MF trains, along with the re-profiling of certain areas and the use of Brazilian Hardwood, should keep GhostRider running smooth for many years to come.

 

Does it really rub more cycles than any other wooden coaster in the country? That's pretty interesting.

 

 

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i think it's assumed because Knott's is open year round. but i'd only believe it if i saw some true statistics. i'd think there's gotta be some wood coasters out there that run more cycles total in the year.

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The GCIs from after 2004 or so tend to stay very smooth, as they were designed with the modern Millennium Flyer trains, and were never designed to accommodate PTC trains and their longer wheelbase and resulting shifting/shaking. It's probably only a matter of time until major parks stop ordering new PTC trains all together.

 

Even though Ghostrider runs more cycles than any woodie in the country, I'm sure that Knott's will continue to maintain it. They didn't spend all that money on new trains and re-tracking just to have it deteriorate in a few years. The switch to MF trains, along with the re-profiling of certain areas and the use of Brazilian Hardwood, should keep GhostRider running smooth for many years to come.

 

Does it really rub more cycles than any other wooden coaster in the country? That's pretty interesting.

 

 

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i think it's assumed because Knott's is open year round. but i'd only believe it if i saw some true statistics. i'd think there's gotta be some wood coasters out there that run more cycles total in the year.

 

Wodan and T Express are probably up there too.

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^Yeah there are probably a few internationally that are more, but I can't think of anything else in the US. Knotts is open 364 days a year, which is about 3x as many days some of the seasonal parks. I would guess Fun Spot doesn't need to run as many cycles. I don't think there are any other daily-op wood coasters now that Gwazi is gone.

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That's probably an accurate statement. As far as I know the only wood coasters in America that operate daily on a year round basis are White Lightning and Ghostrider so I think it's definitely safe to assume that they probably run more cycles than any other wood coasters in the country per year. It should be noted though that White Lightning frequently runs one train so I think assuming Ghostrider is #1 is pretty safe.

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That's probably an accurate statement. As far as I know the only wood coasters in America that operate daily on a year round basis are White Lightning and Ghostrider so I think it's definitely safe to assume that they probably run more cycles than any other wood coasters in the country per year. It should be noted though that White Lightning frequently runs one train so I think assuming Ghostrider is #1 is pretty safe.

 

Giant Dipper San Diego runs year-round too, probably as much as those two (goes down to 5 days/week during off-season). And it doesn't close for months out of the year like GhostRider.

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