DoinItForTheFame Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 (edited) This is a topic that comes up a lot in other threads. I did a search and nothing came up. Many coaster enthusiast complain because almost all B&M Coasters are so "forceless" yet, I can't figure out why. Most B&M hypers provide decent airtime, and the positive g's are decent. The positive g's on some B&M coasters even cause people to gray out. . . Coasters like SheiKra and Griffon are always mentioned for being "forceless" however, I don't see how they are. The pullout on SheiKra provides strong positive g's, and the turn right before the MCBR also provide strong positive g's. SheiKra's reported g-forces is 4 positive g's. Which we all know is not forcless. So my question is... What is the most "forcless" major coaster to you... and what makes you feel like it is so forceless?? Edited December 20, 2015 by DoinItForTheFame Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coasterbill Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I love pie Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 What are you talking about? That coaster is extremely forceful! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyrbuzz Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Pretty much all the Beemers in Florida are pretty decent on forces and I think Mako and the soon to be rebuilt Hulk are going to be great as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradox Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 So is this basically the "hate on B&M" thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWingRider Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Ooooo, another negative thread! So is this basically the "hate on B&M" thread? yep. Ok, Raging Bull, Wild Eagle Read 235 more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhantomPoster32 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 IBTL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpmbee Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Gatekeeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coasterbill Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 So is this basically the "hate on B&M" thread? Basically. I still say the Wacky Worm is unbeatable but if it has to be an adult coaster I'll say Farenheit just to annoy the Intamin fanboys. It's just as forceless as any forceless B&M you can name but much like the forceless B&M's I still enjoy it and see no reason to complain about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timetrial3141592 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 I'm going to go with Gao at Mitsui Greenland. Most jet coasters are pretty forceless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaithPlus1 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 I'll say Storm Runner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fraroc Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 So is this basically the "hate on B&M" thread? Basically. I still say the Wacky Worm is unbeatable but if it has to be an adult coaster I'll say Farenheit just to annoy the Intamin fanboys. It's just as forceless as any forceless B&M you can name but much like the forceless B&M's I still enjoy it and see no reason to complain about it. You do get a few decent pops of air after the double corkscrew, can't forget about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coasterbill Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 can't forget about that. Got to be honest... I can and I did. The only part of that ride that stands out to me is the lift hill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krikey Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Silver Bullet. The only part of the ride that has forces is the helix, which really isn't that fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Yeti Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 (edited) So is this basically the "hate on B&M" thread? Basically. I still say the Wacky Worm is unbeatable but if it has to be an adult coaster I'll say Farenheit just to annoy the Intamin fanboys. It's just as forceless as any forceless B&M you can name but much like the forceless B&M's I still enjoy it and see no reason to complain about it. Obviously, we all know that there are hundreds or thousands of kiddie coasters which are less forceful than your B&Ms or any other large coaster, so I'll just list a few that left me slightly disappointed. If it wasn't for their pretzel loops, I'd say the S:UF clones. Manta is a little better with maybe one good moment of speed after the first in-line twist, but most of it is slow and a bit of a let down. That being said, the pretzel loops make up for what else these rides lack. Patriot disappointed me. After growing up on the Florida B&Ms (pre-Manta), it just didn't stack up against the others I had ridden. I did re-ride Patriot this summer though and it's definitely better in the front seat, but the back seat rides have nothing on Kumba, Montu or Dragon Challenge. Patriot basically trots through a dandelion field while these others gallop on a mountain. Raging Bull was also disappointing. I wish there was a trim brake smiley, but this one will do: I'll probably be flamed for this, but there are some rides that I haven't ridden but was disappointed about after reading lackluster reviews: Oziris, Cheetah Hunt and Helix come to mind. Oziris was a hope for return to the classic B&M, but it doesn't sound to have made that cut. Cheetah Hunt, while often praised now by many for how fun it is, was not the big, bad Intamin coaster I was hoping for. Helix just looked so awesome, and the test run videos made it look crazy and intense, but the reviews say otherwise. Like Cheetah Hunt, I'm sure it's a great, fun ride, but it doesn't sound like it can compete with Maverick - my all-time favorite. I do hope to ride all of these one day, especially Cheetah Hunt and Helix, but I'm no longer on the "OMG get me there now" bus. Thunder Dolphin would also fit this category, but the setting makes it a coaster which is still on my must ride list. Edited December 21, 2015 by The Yeti Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gerstlaueringvar Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Dodonpa Jk California Screamin', Gatekeeper, Thunder Dolphin and Jet Coaster at Nasu came to mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark549 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Steel Forceless at Dorney. Looks great, but just a big mine train. Rode in the front and back seats and it didn't do anything for me, especially after having ridden Skyrush a few days earlier. Hydra at Dorney and Silver Bullet at Knotts get (dis)honorable mentions, too. I was also surprised how forceless Mean Streak is, sure hope it's a future RMC conversion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VF15 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 -Flight of Fear at Kings Island. While I did like this ride's indoor setting, the launch and most of the layout did nothing for me. -American Eagle at SFGAm. I thought a coaster of this size would offer some good thrills, but I found it to be mostly rough and uninteresting. -Wild Thing at Valleyfair after the mid-course brake run. The first half of the ride is decent, but the return run is a big snoozefest. -Mean Streak is also very boring aside from one okay pop of air in the second half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry M Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 How is this a major coaster. If you think this is major, you have a problem! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coasterbill Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 He edited the post (as you can see on the bottom) to add "major" in later. "Wacky Worm" is grandfathered in from before the rule change therefore I win. ... not that it's a competition, and not that that's how any of this works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Themonerd Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 You just called wacky worms weak? TRIGGERED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil009 Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 How about the most forceless woodie? My vote goes to Mean Streak. So is this basically the "hate on B&M" thread? Basically. I still say the Wacky Worm is unbeatable but if it has to be an adult coaster I'll say Farenheit just to annoy the Intamin fanboys. It's just as forceless as any forceless B&M you can name but much like the forceless B&M's I still enjoy it and see no reason to complain about it. I strongly disagree, the corkscrews have that "snap" you get on good B&Ms, but that's completely absent from lame B&Ms. I would put those corkscrews against the corkscrews on any floorless and they'd win every time. Also, the turnaround into the pop of airtime at the end is much stronger and faster-paced than practically any floorless. In fact I'd say the only weak parts of that ride are the Norwegian loop and the cobra roll. I actually really hate the term "forceless" because it's simple inaccurate. It's really that modern B&Ms engineer the forces to be so consistent and smooth, you don't get any of that "out of control" feeling like you get on better coasters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSum1_55 Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 I think that a better title for this thread would be "most forceless coaster relative to its size/type" I agree that Fahrenheit is the most forceless of the "extreme" Intamin coasters. Thankfully, the same park has two very forceful Intamin coasters to satisfy that need. Cheetah Hunt is really forceless as well. I have no clue what people were talking about when they called this the "California Screamin on Steroids." It honestly felt like the tamed down version of California Screamin. The B&M hypers could all pretty much be called "forceless," but I think Intimidator at Carowinds takes the cake for the least forceful in the US. Tatsu, Manta, and Superman are all pretty forceless outside the pretzel loops. It seems like every B&M flyer, besides Sky Scrapper, has one intense moment, then a forceless rest of the ride. Silver Bullet and Talon are both pretty forceless for most of the ride (though both of these do have pretty intense endings). I have heard forceless reviews of every B&M wing coaster. The only one I have ridden myself is Wild Eagle, and this is considered to be the best one. If that is true, then I can confirm that the others are pretty forceless. But also, I would give the "forceless park award" to Dorney Park. They have a lineup that should look impressive, featuring an invert, impulse coaster, floorless, classic wood coaster, and hyper coaster. Yet, pretty much all of these are some of the least forceful examples of their type. (Even Thunderhawk has those stupid trims). With such an impressive-sounding lineup, I was surprised to see that their most forceful ride was the used Vekoma shuttle coaster. So basically: B&M, all of the mid-90's Morgan hypers, and a couple of abnormal Intamins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil009 Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 ^Wrong, Talon is still one of the more intense inverts. It came before the true advent of "Modern B&M", somewhere in between but still packing a pretty good punch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinematics Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Fury 325 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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