rcjp Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 It's the rails, not the spine, that causes the roar on B&Ms. It's only the rails that are filled. Where did you hear that? I've heard people saying it's only the spine, only the supports or both so (even though I feel it's both) I don't really know but I'd never heard anyone mentioning the rails. Those are some very, very nice looking trains and it's great to see something new on the coaster scene. How would a traditional chain lift hill be incorporated on something like this given it's just one solid piece of steel? It doesn't seem too complex, I think. Maybe they will incorporate the rail for the chain and the ratchet thingy in the track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingRCT3 Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 I'm not 100% sure, but I think it's the spine that is filled out on B&M. See there, we can see the plugs: Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoinItForTheFame Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 I'm not 100% sure, but I think it's the spine that is filled out on B&M. Â You are correct, it is the spine that is filled with sand on B&M coasters... Not the rails. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A.J. Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 You are correct, it is the spine that is filled with sand on B&M coasters... Not the rails. Spine with sand, supports with gravel, if I'm not mistaken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superbatboy Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 I had no idea there were so many engineers here...  I don't know about how many engineers are here, but I do see we have a non contributing to anything smart A$$ in the house  I'll take the compliment, thank you.  And I did contribute to the thread early on before all the nay-sayers came aboard questioning RMCs decision to use t-rex track type. I think RMC knows what they're doing at this point, they have proved know-it-all enthusiasts wrong before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbalvey Posted September 27, 2015 Author Share Posted September 27, 2015 I had no idea there were so many engineers here...  I don't know about how many engineers are here, but I do see we have a non contributing to anything smart A$$ in the house  I'll take the compliment, thank you.  And I did contribute to the thread early on before all the nay-sayers came aboard questioning RMCs decision to use t-rex track type. I think RMC knows what they're doing at this point, they have proved know-it-all enthusiasts wrong before. He's right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canadianparkfan Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 I had no idea there were so many engineers here...  I don't know about how many engineers are here, but I do see we have a non contributing to anything smart A$$ in the house  I'll take the compliment, thank you.  And I did contribute to the thread early on before all the nay-sayers came aboard questioning RMCs decision to use t-rex track type. I think RMC knows what they're doing at this point, they have proved know-it-all enthusiasts wrong before. He's right.  I totally second this.  Remember the "bolt issue" with NTAG? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CP Maverick Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 I wonder how much cost will be affected using that much steel. I see a materials vs labor cost being the major factor in manufacturing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoinItForTheFame Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 I wonder how much cost will be affected using that much steel. I see a materials vs labor cost being the major factor in manufacturing. Â I mean, is there really "that" much more steel being used considering they are only using one track instead of two?? I feel like cost should not go up a lot. But I could be wrong... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CP Maverick Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 That one single track uses more steel than two separate tracks. But it also uses less joints and welds, so you may be cutting down on labor as well. So it's just a question of balancing those costs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coasterkid124 Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 But it also uses less joints and welds, so you may be cutting down on labor as well. Â This is going to be a big advantage for RMC. One of the big reasons why they are so limited in projects per year is because they hand build everything, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyknottsville Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 I had no idea there were so many engineers here...  I don't know about how many engineers are here, but I do see we have a non contributing to anything smart A$$ in the house  I'll take the compliment, thank you.  And I did contribute to the thread early on before all the nay-sayers came aboard questioning RMCs decision to use t-rex track type. I think RMC knows what they're doing at this point, they have proved know-it-all enthusiasts wrong before. He's right.  Well I do apologize for making an a$$ out of myself and I do 100% agree with you that RMC knows what they are doing again my bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedimaster1227 Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 That track looks awesome! Really interested to see what kind of wicked coaster elements RMC can pull off with this new track design! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
better_by_design Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 That one single track uses more steel than two separate tracks. But it also uses less joints and welds, so you may be cutting down on labor as well. So it's just a question of balancing those costs. Â It is definitely MORE steel, but as someone earlier said, plate steel is a lot cheaper than tubular steel... as far as manufacturing costs go, I'd have to assume that it would be fairly straightforward (although anything new is hard) to use robotic cutting and welding? Â Any smarter folks care to interject? Â Personally, this could create a really different skyline look for a major coaster... single ribbon with fewer supports. And potentially create some new possibilities for coaster placement if you can get longer spans between supports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingRCT3 Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 More steel, less steel, I don't know, but certainly less waste. Sure the wasted steel can be melted again and re-used, but it might cost time and money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyRCT3 Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 ^^I'm most likely in the minority here, but I don't see how this design would cause for fewer supports. Has there been info released on this track style being able to support bigger loads, or is this all enthusiast speculation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TB305 Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 ^^I'm most likely in the minority here, but I don't see how this design would cause for fewer supports. Has there been info released on this track style being able to support bigger loads, or is this all enthusiast speculation? I agree with you, I don't see how it would have any more load bearing capabilities than say a B&M bix spine. Â *Of course I'm only an aspiring engineer, not the real thing just yet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palmerleeberry Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 That looks awesome. I cannot wait to see what lucky park will be the first to get a coaster with an element like that ( With my luck it'll be in some European park that I may never have the chance to visit, or let's get positive and say it'll be my home park of Kings Dominion that'll get it first). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Intimidated305 Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 That looks awesome. I cannot wait to see what lucky park will be the first to get a coaster with an element like that ( With my luck it'll be in some European park that I may never have the chance to visit, or let's get positive and say it'll be my home park of Kings Dominion that'll get it first). Let the 2017 Kings Dominion coaster rumors begin! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canadianparkfan Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 That looks awesome. I cannot wait to see what lucky park will be the first to get a coaster with an element like that ( With my luck it'll be in some European park that I may never have the chance to visit, or let's get positive and say it'll be my home park of Kings Dominion that'll get it first). Let the 2017 Canada's Wonderland coaster rumors begin! Fixed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Intimidated305 Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 That looks awesome. I cannot wait to see what lucky park will be the first to get a coaster with an element like that ( With my luck it'll be in some European park that I may never have the chance to visit, or let's get positive and say it'll be my home park of Kings Dominion that'll get it first). Let the 2017 Canada's Wonderland coaster rumors begin! Fixed Canada's Wonderland vs. Kings Dominion! Who will win? I really hope us Kings Dominion fanboys get one of these fancy new RMC coasters. That is, if Canada's Wonderland doesn't get it first! Or maybe we'll both get one? Maybe Canada's Wonderland will get Shockwave from us and WE'LL get the RMC! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coasterlvr Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 But it also uses less joints and welds, so you may be cutting down on labor as well. Â This is going to be a big advantage for RMC. One of the big reasons why they are so limited in projects per year is because they hand build everything, Â robots and computers make other manufactures track??? don't really get that statement. are there like 10 guys that get on each side of some steel and push opposite ways to twist their i box track currently? lol j/k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingRCT3 Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 By the way, anyone noticed those rails in the background? What are they? Looks like the track gauge is smaller than your usual I-Box/Free-Fly track! Â Snapshot from a video Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brassinthegrass Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 It's brown for SFGAdv new ride, RMC makes the track for S&S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejot Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 ^The gauge does indeed look too narrow, though. Perhaps the cross-ties are not the actual final pieces. Â Â I'd have to assume that it would be fairly straightforward (although anything new is hard) to use robotic cutting and welding? Robotic cutting of flat sheet steel is pretty straightforward. RMC already does this with a CNC plasma torch on a 40' water table. Making robotic welding cost-effective requires enormous scale, so I'd suspect that Topper, I-Box, FreeSpin and T-Rex tracks are all hand welded while mounted in jigs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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