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Kolmarden wouldn't have spent so much money on this coaster if they thought there was ever a chance of it getting demolished. Governments are very picky about having all documents and paperwork completed correctly no matter the person or company involved. I've seen zoning boards and local governments get picky over where a person builds a deck on the back of their house.

 

I feel as though the governement will not make Kolmarden tear the ride down unless there is substantial proof that the coaster is harming the environment. As long as Kolmarden can get the accreditation that they need, the ride will be fine. It's a scary situation, but I can not think of a time where a roller coaster was demolished for environmental issues. Usually this stuff is all ironed out before, or it would not be approved in the first place.

 

The ride is not going anywhere, at least that's not my prediction. Kolmården have now (as of yesterday) applied to the local town for a zoning plan.

 

The really good thing with this ride is that nothing has changed, Kolmården still enjoys the full support from the town. They bring in some big cash for the local economy. Since they are so important for the town the zoning plan will get the highest priority and the plan should be ready in time for the upcoming summer.

 

The problem is that the zoning plan is likely to be appealed the same way that the build permit was. First the town decides, if that gets appealed then it goes to the County Board and then it goes to the Land and Environment Court. There is also a fourth level, the Land and Environment High Court. It's hard to say if the last one will try it again, they usually don't treat that many cases. But given the high profile of the case...

 

It is unlikely that a zoning plan is voted into affection before 2018. The million dollar question is if they can operate it next season or not. The parks lawyer and the town are now going through the verdict and the law to try and find a way for it to happen. It will likely take a few months to study it through and they said that they are hoping to release more about it around christmas.

 

but if people are suddenly so concerned about the environmental impact, I feel like they would realize that the "damage" has already been done, and that going through the process of demolishing Wildfire would make an even more negative short-term impact.

 

The environmentalists are pissed because they feel that there was to little studying about the environmental impacts of the ride before the build permit was given, something the final ruling now shows supports for. They conclude that the studies before building permit was granted was not satisfactory.

 

They do however note in the ruling that the environmental damage is already done, so I don't think the environmental impact have been given to big consideration in the final ruling. I haven't had the energy to read through all of it, but the main focuses seems to be noise levels, traffic situation and the impact on the animals.

 

Almost all of the people who have appealed are neighbors who simply don't want the ride to be there.

 

The impact on the animals are probably not to big. The parks own experts have given interviews stating that the animals closest by the ride only cared about it the first few days and then didn't really care that much. It is also a thing that they easily can study and dig deeper into during the zoning process.

 

The traffic situation is harder to resolve. The town and the park is always working on improvements to the infrastructure to and around the park, but the road is crappy and it's quite a drive from the highway (10 miles). It's not gonna be improved overall anytime soon. The good thing for Wildfire however is that it's not as big a draw for the attendance as the family attractions is. For an example the new family area themed to Bame that was added last year, that nobody have been complaining about, drew bigger crowds last year than Wildfire did this year.

 

The noise levels are unlikely to go away, the neighbors simply don't want the ride there (well not all of the neighbors care, but around 30 households do). They can cover the drop and add noise screens though so it is fixable.

 

One thing though - is this strictly a legal thing, or are there ulterior motives at work here? If this were in the U.S., I feel like whomever would have originally opposed the coaster's construction would have thrown a large sum of money at someone to try and have the case opened back up again.

 

The legal system is very different from the US here. There is not as much money in it and it's not as big a part of the society as well. Sure a good lawyer is always charing more etc, but in general people and groups cannot affect things as much as they can in the US.

 

The protection for individuals is very strong though, in this case the neighbors.

 

Didn't Grona Lund have a similar issue come up when they built Eclipse? They were able to resolve that easily enough, and given it's the same parent company, I wouldn't sweat this too much.

 

That was a bit different. Gröna Lund have a zoning plan in place, so they don't have to apply for build permits for their rides. The problem with Eclipse was that it is so big that the town considered it to be an actual tower and not an amusement ride.

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The environmentalists are pissed because they feel that there was to little studying about the environmental impacts of the ride before the build permit was given, something the final ruling now shows supports for. They conclude that the studies before building permit was granted was not satisfactory.

 

They do however note in the ruling that the environmental damage is already done, so I don't think the environmental impact have been given to big consideration in the final ruling. I haven't had the energy to read through all of it, but the main focuses seems to be noise levels, traffic situation and the impact on the animals.

 

Almost all of the people who have appealed are neighbors who simply don't want the ride to be there.

I mean, I don't necessarily blame the neighbors, if I weren't already a roller coaster person I too would likely be upset that I now have a noisy roller coaster outside my front door. But, at the same time, the park is only open until 8:00 PM at the latest during the summer of 2017, so it's not like Wildfire would be running while I'm trying to sleep. Perhaps Wildfire will turn into Balder in that regard.

 

I've always seen the two-lane road when looking at satellite imagery of the park, but I didn't realize that the road was seriously having a Knoebels problem (being backed up for miles due to parking lot traffic). I could see why that would drive some people nuts.

 

Thanks for your insights!

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Very unfortunate it is to remain closed until further notice. It is just very mind boggling that the building permit can be terminated that easily. Is that how it is in the US too?

 

Zoning and building permits aren't under federal purview. Neither are ride certifications. Now, you could be granted a permit to build a ride and them promptly be refused certification to operate it. That has actually happened a couple of times. There's also the option of trying to build a ride which you were not granted a permit for. Six Flags tried that years ago at New England.

 

As far as the discussion of environmental concerns: allowing anyone to overstep boundaries set for them and then simply saying, "Well, they did it, gotta allow it!" sets the worst precedent ever and is not likely. Changes would be seen instead. Second, the greater concern is likely not for the zoo animals and their welfare, but the endemic fauna.

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The noise levels are unlikely to go away, the neighbors simply don't want the ride there (well not all of the neighbors care, but around 30 households do). They can cover the drop and add noise screens though so it is fixable.

 

What really boggles my mind about noise levels of the coaster are that you don't even know the ride is there! You can't hear or see it unless you're almost right next to it way in the back of the park, nowhere near the main road.

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I mean, I don't necessarily blame the neighbors, if I weren't already a roller coaster person I too would likely be upset that I now have a noisy roller coaster outside my front door. But, at the same time, the park is only open until 8:00 PM at the latest during the summer of 2017, so it's not like Wildfire would be running while I'm trying to sleep. Perhaps Wildfire will turn into Balder in that regard.

 

I agree. It's hard to say how I would react if I wasn't an enthusiast, but I tend to be a pretty tolerante guy. In Sweden it is seen as a civil right to complain about every little aspect in life, so we do have a culture of these things.

 

I've always seen the two-lane road when looking at satellite imagery of the park, but I didn't realize that the road was seriously having a Knoebels problem (being backed up for miles due to parking lot traffic). I could see why that would drive some people nuts.

 

It's important to remember though that it have always been this way, it's not entirely related to the coaster itself. The town is working on improvements but I doubt they are going to fix a new road or any large scale solution.

 

What really boggles my mind about noise levels of the coaster are that you don't even know the ride is there! You can't hear or see it unless you're almost right next to it way in the back of the park, nowhere near the main road.

 

There is a living area down toward the water, eastern of the park. From Wildfire to there it is almost only downhill.

 

Wasn't it the environmental people that said it was too much noise? Something about disturbing the wildlife outside the park in the immediate area?

 

The environmentalist have focused almost entirely on the animals in this question when it comes to noise levels. There is a protected nature area just outside the park that some have brought up but the main focus seems to be the animals and for the neibourghs it's the noise.

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Good news for Kolmarden!

It seems that Wildfire doesn't need to be torn down anymore

They just need to modify the zoning plan, so when they get everything cleaned up, the coaster will operate again.

 

 

 

sources: http://tjock.se/passet/art/360548/kolmrden_slipper_riva_wildfire/

http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=160&artikel=6615429

http://themeparkfreaks.eu/2017/01/wildfire-in-kolmarden-blijft-bespaart-van-de-sloophamer/

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Good news for Kolmarden!

It seems that Wildfire doesn't need to be torn down anymore

They just need to modify the zoning plan, so when they get everything cleaned up, the coaster will operate again.

 

That is good news for sure!! Glad everything seems to be working out good for the coaster, and the park!

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Good news for Kolmarden!

It seems that Wildfire doesn't need to be torn down anymore

 

There wasn't really any risk of it having to be torned down. What is the risk, and what we are still waiting for, is if they are allowed to operate the ride or not before the plan is voted into effect and appealed all the way to the top.

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Update on Wildfire! The ride was operating last summer on an interim permit that was valid as long as the appeal case was in motion. That's why they closed it the same day as the final ruling came in.

 

New zoning plan is done and out on display for people to raise their concerns. It will be voted into effete in May according to the current plan. It's already known that appeals will come, so the process will probably take another year or so to clear out.

 

Big question is if they can open the ride as usual this season or not. The town can give out another interim permit, but if that were to happen the interim permit can also be appealed. Also the town and the park is now very careful now not to do anything against the rules, due to obvious circumstances.

 

We will know more in a few weeks, but they are taking a big economical hit on not being able to market the ride. Wildfire training is done on operators of other rides, so they can open it on short notice.

 

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New ride for this year, flying carpets! Been known for quite a while, but it's the first rendering of it. I thought it was going to be a regular flying carpet ride, but this seems more aimed toward children.

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Wildfire have gotten the go-ahed for 2017 from the local town, in accordance with their and their lawyers interpretation of the law and the previous interim permit.

 

Kolmården have not yet decided, they want to have their lawyers go through the material first as they don't want to jepordize the ongoing work with the zoning plan. But everything should be fine for 2017. An announcement is probably given in the next few days/weeks.

 

I could try and translate why a go ahead have been given an all that, but let's just call it complicated law and lawyer stuff.

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Wildfire will remain closed during the detail planning process, city council decision to be held on June 19th

 

http://www.ekuriren.se/inrikes/kolmarden-slar-upp-portarna-utan-wildfire/

 

On Good Friday Kolmarden opens for the season. But Wildfire will be closed, despite earlier indications that the circumscribed roller coaster would open immediately. - We await the detailed planning process, says Helena Axelsson, spokeswoman for the zoo, to the NT.

 

Wildfire reopened a year ago, was soon shut down for safety reasons, but then open up again when the season began in earnest. The turmoil did not end there. When Kolmarden Zoo closed for years have been serious questions about the giant initiative's future. Land and Environmental Court then demanded a new detailed when the building permit was not enough for such a large building.

 

After several trips, it was recently announced that Wildfire could be kept open this year, in parallel with the paper process is ongoing.

 

Now runs the zoo, it appears, in consultation with the municipality of Norrköping. Detailed planning will continue until a decision has been taken in the city council on 19 June. During this process, the zoo decided not to restart Wildfire, type NT.

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Kolmården confirms: Wildfire will reopen this summer!

 

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The Swedish animal and theme park Kolmården confirmed today that their wooden roller coaster 'Wildfire' will finally reopen during this summer holiday. When exactly will be communicated later.

 

Finally, Wildfire will soon open again after almost eight months of closure. The construction license of the RMC coaster was withdrawn in October last year due to possible negative noise disturbance for the environment, with uncertainty about Wilfdire's continued existence.

 

Early 2017, the Swedish construction and environmental committee decided not to break down the roller coaster, but Kolmården had to make a new detailed destination plan for the zone where Wildfire is located in. That plan has been submitted and is expected to be approved by the authorities next Monday. That means Wildfire will finally be able to reopen this summer holiday. That news has already officially been announced on the park's website: "Wildfire reopens soon! Soon more information about the magical reopening date."

 

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That is great news!

 

That's GREAT NEWS!!! We have so much video that we shot last year that I've been waiting to release! I figured it's a better idea to post the footage when the ride is actually open!

 

Awesome! I loved Wildfire, so looking forward to see the footage!

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