loop-de-loop 0 Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Well this sucks. Hopefully they can get over this hurdle, but if they have to redesign the entire thing lets hope the coaster layout is just as good. I think I can hear Six Flags cheering though. Link to post Share on other sites
gisco 1 Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 This may be a dumb question but why would you go through the entire design process and make a big announcement without even knowing if you'd get permission to build it. Who says they have gone through the entire design process? All we have seen is some conceptual drawings and some animation. You would need these to sell the project. I'm sure all the engineering drawings haven't been done yet. Once they have all the approvals and have financing they will do the real work. Link to post Share on other sites
NickC 0 Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 This may be a dumb question but why would you go through the entire design process and make a big announcement without even knowing if you'd get permission to build it. It is a bit unusual that they announced the project before getting FAA approval, especially with a structure this massive, but just because they got an initial "Notice of Presumed Hazard" letter from the FAA doesn't mean the project is dead in the water. For starters, pretty much any structure over 500 feet will automatically generate an initial "Notice of Presumed Hazard" letter. But this letter is just a notice, not a determination. The sponsor of the proposal has 60 days to counter the notice before the case will be terminated. From here, they'll likely request the FAA do a full aeronautical study, which will require them to prove the structure has a substantial adverse effect on the airspace. They can also request circularization, which would allow for other entities to comment on the proposal. These two things alone are typically enough to get a favorable determination. It looks like the proposal was filed in August 2014, with construction slated to begin in April 2015, so it's likely they filed early knowing there would be hurdles to cross. The other option is to terminate the existing proposal and re-file within the guidelines of the "Notice of Presumed Hazard" letter (in this case, it's the generic "keep the structure below 500 feet" guideline). If they don't respond within 60 days, the case will be automatically terminated and they will have to re-file regardless. But since this project is already designed and announced, I definitely don't see that happening. PS - I've linked some of the key phrases in this post to resources that explain in detail what I've attempted to summarize, so if this kind of thing interests you, you can do some further reading. Good to know the situation isn't as bad as that FAA document made it sound. Hopefully this doesn't cause too much of a delay, if any at all. This may be a dumb question but why would you go through the entire design process and make a big announcement without even knowing if you'd get permission to build it. Who says they have gone through the entire design process? All we have seen is some conceptual drawings and some animation. You would need these to sell the project. I'm sure all the engineering drawings haven't been done yet. Once they have all the approvals and have financing they will do the real work. Joshua Wallack, one of the owners of Mango's/Skyplex, has been doing some interviews with the local news stations lately. In one of the interviews, he mentions the track has already been ordered... so I'd imagine that means at least the coaster portion has been fully designed. Here's a link to the Orlando Sentinel interview: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/travel/attractions/os-dewayne-bevil-tallest-roller-coaster-20150122-column.html This time next year we'll be looking up at the progress on the tower that the coaster's rail will wrap around, Wallack says. "We've ordered the track. We've already placed orders for the coaster stuff that has long lead time," he says. And here's a video interview. Fast-forward to 11mins and 40sec to hear the segment where he talks about the coaster: [youtu_be] [/youtu_be] Link to post Share on other sites
bbomser 0 Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 And they keep adding more and more things to this complex. Here's the newest addition, a 450 ft drop tower! From the press release (www.wesh.com/orlandomyway/on-the-town-orlando/worlds-tallest-drop-tower-coming-to-skyplex-attraction-at-idrive/31233684 The world's tallest drop tower is coming to International Drive as part of the new SkyPlex attraction. The 570-foot-tall SkyPlex attraction will open in 2016 and will contain both the world's tallest roller coaster, Skyscraper, and world's tallest drop tower, Skyfall. Skyfall will drop riders from 450 feet in the air. SkyPlex will also be complete with a 55-story glass elevator meant to take guests to an observation deck. The current record holder for tallest drop tower is "Zumanjaro: Drop of Doom" at Six Flags Great Adventure in Jackson Township, N.J., which stands at 415 feet tall. SkyPlex will be part of the changing skyline on I-Drive. The 400-foot Orlando Eye observation wheel is set to open this spring, and the world's tallest swing ride, Star Flyer, is set to open in 2016 Link to post Share on other sites
SharkTums 205 Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 ^Robb is at the meeting right now and talking with the guys responsible for bringing us all this crazy stuff! He'll have a full report later! Link to post Share on other sites
COASTER FREAK 11 10 Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 So, if they are now announcing ANOTHER attraction attached to the tower at that height, are we to assume they resolved the FAA issue? Link to post Share on other sites
Aardvark Barber 0 Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 Tallest coaster as well as tallest drop tower... damn. Link to post Share on other sites
bbomser 0 Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 ^Robb is at the meeting right now and talking with the guys responsible for bringing us all this crazy stuff! He'll have a full report later! Link to post Share on other sites
rcjp 0 Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 So, if they are now announcing ANOTHER attraction attached to the tower at that height, are we to assume they resolved the FAA issue? Well, at least I want to believe so. Link to post Share on other sites
Tropical7 0 Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 I can't believe how much they are adding onto this complex. Now the world's tallest drop tower? I wonder just how they will incorporate this as it looks packed already. Link to post Share on other sites
MagnumFreak25 0 Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 How mad do you think SFGAdv is right now. I'm guessing this is an Intamin and attached to the tower right? Link to post Share on other sites
Tropical7 0 Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 ^From what I saw from TPR's Facebook the whole thing is an Intamin product. Link to post Share on other sites
Woodie Warrior 0 Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 Wasn't the whole PolerCoaster an S&S concept? Are they working with Intamin or were they just dropped altogether? Link to post Share on other sites
thesman 0 Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 I thought U.S. thrill rides and S&S/Sensai was building it. When did intamin get involved? Link to post Share on other sites
Tropical7 0 Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 That's what I have been thinking but maybe contracts changed and Intamin was the likely candidate. Or possibly the tower itself is still UST and the attractions are by Intamin? Link to post Share on other sites
SharkTums 205 Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 Robb just got home and is filling me in. Most important...INTAMIN!!!! Second most important Ride Centerline (Alan, Joe, etc.) are still designing the ride!!! The tower itself is still being designed by US Thrill Rides. S&S is no longer involved with the coaster. More coming soon! Link to post Share on other sites
coasterkyle 0 Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 (edited) I don't care why it changed manufacturers, I'm just stoked for more massive Intamin attractions in the Sates. Edited February 12, 2015 by coasterkyle Link to post Share on other sites
DJeXeL 5 Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 Robb just got home and is filling me in. Most important...INTAMIN!!!! Second most important Ride Centerline (Alan, Joe, etc.) are still designing the ride!!! The tower itself is still being designed by US Thrill Rides. S&S is no longer involved with the coaster. More coming soon! Can't wait to hear more details. Link to post Share on other sites
Tropical7 0 Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 ^^^Glad to see such a variation in the build of the superstructure. I guess that now leads to the question of what coaster model it will be; will it stay the original style or will it become something more like the INTAMIN models? Link to post Share on other sites
viking86 1 Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 This project continues to impress, sounds fantastic! Looks like I have to go to Orlando in 2016 as well. Don't mind that at all though... Link to post Share on other sites
SharkTums 205 Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 ^I've been hearing more like 2017. Link to post Share on other sites
markysharky17 0 Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 Imagine if the project gets changed into a giant aquatrax! Haha But I could see an Intamin Spinning coaster car on this. That would be awesome going down and spinning! Link to post Share on other sites
viking86 1 Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 ^I've been hearing more like 2017. Well, I'm sure finding another excuse to go in 2016 won't be a problem.. Link to post Share on other sites
jedimaster1227 100 Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 S&S is no longer involved with the coaster. Whoa. Wouldn't have seen that one coming... I thought they were already contracted for the coaster's construction and the track was already in production. That being said, an Intamin Space Diver wrapped around a giant observation tower sounds even more exciting! All this complex needs now is an Intamin pre-fab woodie and I'll live there for good! Link to post Share on other sites
rcjp 0 Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 ^I was also surprised by that. Can't wait to see what happens! Link to post Share on other sites
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