SoCalCoasters Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 ^Did you happen to notice Griffon's Immelmann causing traffic issues? Or ShieKra dissecting the Calico Mine Ride? Just...no... ShieKra and Griffon take up massive plots of land. Even if that is to scale, that would require the entire back half of the park to be inaccessible for quite a while in the winter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rustyinpeace Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 I'd have say that it can be executed given the space though itd be an extremely tight fit. Notice how both dive machines have an extended portion to the right or left. If they think of a custom design im sure they can make it so that it mainly goes in one direction then performs a dive loop and travels in the other and maybe throw in a zero G roll. can be possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLUSHIE Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 (edited) This really might not be that bad of an idea. It might have to be a 6 across one and not 10 like the US ones, but a compact one could probably work. Heck, they could even use the already existing splash pool If they used the same station location as PP but elevated, cross the lift hill over the drop just like PP then have the drop and spash in the same spots, add the Immelmann and a helix or something and there you go. Edited August 17, 2012 by SLUSHIE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket Rodder Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 Why not forgo the steel altogether and build an old-school boardwalk-style woodie, clad in boardwalk white and blue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MayTheGForceBeWithYou Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 ^They're still trying to keep up with one woodie, so I don't think a second one is in the works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jhcbiinoc Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 I have always thought that they might want to consider taking out Perilous Plunge and Boomerang and then putting a Dive Machine in the space freed up, but I don't see that happening here. I honestly believe that what will happen is that the location freed up by the exodus of Perilous Plunge will be utilized for the station, transfer, final brakes and queue for the hyper/mega/giga that has been long rumored. KBF was my home park for years and I kept hearing a ton of rumors about a huge hyper coaster from B&M as far back as 2006-2008. When they were gearing up for Pony Express I thought that was a part of it, and there was a ton of talk of Bigfoot Rapids leaving to make room for it or being built over for it. Although I too have heard rumors of both Intamin and B&M, I have heard more concerning it being a B&M along the lines of Leviathan. While I don't know how it all figures out or the exact situation, from what I have heard here and there allegewdy Gatekeeper, Leviathan and the big new coaster that has long been rumored are all related/tied together in some way, and that a large hyper/giga coaster from B&M has been slated to go into KBF for quite some time but something related to another Cedar Fair B&M installation or investment caused it to be postponed/delayed or reallocated to another park/location. Again, nothing definite, but I have heard the same rumors of that come up on multiple occasions in several places. Or, it could be nothing; hearsay and rumors are just that until there is solid, concrete evidence (or some poor developer accidentally lets the site leak before the announcement.) It will be really interesting to see what the announcement is and if it will be as "epic" as the old rumors seemed to indicate (station where PP was, lift going up towards the backstage and over the Western Entrance and some kind of turnaround up near GhostRider and spread out all over the backstage and the part of the park). If it does end up being B&M I would not be surprised but it could be something like I-305 as well. But I think that regardless of the manufacturer, this is the beginning states of the big new coaster at KBF many have been hoping for-although to fully believe it, after all of the times I have heard it, I would need to see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UrbanLegend Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 Has anyone suggested a Eurofighter? Or perhaps an ultra-compact B&M like Daemonen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manic Monte Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 Just keep in mind that whatever Knotts builds, they will be going up against whatever SFMM opens next year. At least in terms of media coverage. Whatever it is, it will be noteworthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SharkTums Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 If they go the B&M Route I'd expect it to either be a Krake type Dive Machine or an X-Flight style Wing Rider. Like others have said, it has to compete against whatever SFMM is planning and I'm not sure a B&M Hyper would really do that as Magic already has a 250' tall hyper. All that being said, my money's still on them bringing Leviathan back! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJeXeL Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 Like others have said, it has to compete against whatever SFMM is planning and I'm not sure a B&M Hyper would really do that as Magic already has a 250' tall hyper. Yes, however not a very good one.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double0Kevin Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 If it isn't a 340' Giga like Screamscape promised, then I will never go to Knott's again! Not gonna lie, Screamscape kind of set the bar high... I'm sure I'll want to ride whatever they build though. Anything is better than that waste of steel that is there now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thestripedtaco Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 I actually think a dive machine might be the best pick considering there are only two in the US right now and neither on the west coast. Sure the track is pretty wide as well as the cars but a good custom layout could make it work. You could also build a tunnel under the midway and then use boomerangs spot for more track. This way you wouldn't have the coaster crossing the midway which is probably more aesthetically pleasing than if it did cross the midway. Or you could have a drop into a tunnel and then take out riptide, put a turn around over there and then take it back to PP's spot leaving boomerang safe for the time being... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COASTER FREAK 11 Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 Hopefully we will know the answer by the end of August. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thestripedtaco Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 I know six flags announces everything on the same date but what does CF do? They already announced gatekeeper but does everything else get announced on the same date or what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COASTER FREAK 11 Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 I think they did a massive announcement last year with all the wind seekers. But, that was all the same ride across several parks, so that makes sense. I don't remember what they normally do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ValleyfairFan Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 ^ They usually do press releases on different days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thestripedtaco Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 ^ They usually do press releases on different days. Ok thank you. Well we know the announcement will be soon cause that's what Knott's said but I hope it's within the next month cause I am so stoked for the possibilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gisco Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 I kind of like the dive machine idea. They could have it custom made to fit the space and it would be unique for the West coast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlakeCoaster Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 If they were to add something the size of Griffon (to scale): Or maybe something along the lines of Sheikra (to scale): So all-in-all, it seems doable (if it were to be a compact design). I for one appreciate your time and effort into showing us that a compact dive coaster with a few modifications to Sheikra's or Griffon's layout could actually be possible given the space. Something like that could remain in one "area" of the park, and it wouldn't miniaturize the park nearly as much as a hyper/giga that would have to travel backstage along the perimeter of the park. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COASTER FREAK 11 Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 ^Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xceleratorfan96 Posted August 18, 2012 Share Posted August 18, 2012 I think a Dive Machine would have to be pretty compact to fit in the space Perilous Plunge sits in. Here's a mock up I made using Google Earth, using the same height above the earth on each dive machine (Sheikra and Griffon) as the height above the Perilous Plunge site, so it should be to scale. If they were to add something the size of Griffon (to scale): Or maybe something along the lines of Sheikra (to scale): So all-in-all, it seems doable (if it were to be a compact design). Notice how Shiekra's water element lines up almost exactly with PP's pool.... So with a custom layout similar to Shiekra but that fits their area more, they could even keep Boomerang and I say move Riptide to the 3 point challenge area or if Screamin Swing goes put it there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brock_boehm Posted August 18, 2012 Share Posted August 18, 2012 Thanks guys. I know the track layout would have to be much more condensed than the above versions, but like I said, it seems like it would be possible to do a compact dive machine in the area, and like some of you said, using the already existing pool from Perilous Plunge would be a nice bonus. I tried to do a Krake one, but Heide Park hasn't updated their satellite image in Google Earth. Either way, I think it would be possible if Knott's designed a compact version to fit in the given space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XYZ Posted August 18, 2012 Share Posted August 18, 2012 There would be enough room for a full-scale dive machine if they demolished the KOD building and put the 2nd half of the ride back there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNJ Posted August 18, 2012 Share Posted August 18, 2012 I was hoping that PP would be replaced with a DIVERTICAL or Pilgrims Plunge type ride, but now seeing that a Dive Machine would actually fit I'd be extremely happy to see one of those as well. There needs to be a Dive Machine in So Cal already. (Also, what's left of KOD? Is the ride still essentially inside that building?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3Mutts Posted August 18, 2012 Share Posted August 18, 2012 ^ It could still be, we are just speculating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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