Randomman295 Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 ^I guess I'm the only one that likes the Morgan trains then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 ^ I don't have any problems with the Morgan trains but they are incredibly dated look and design wise...the open air sides and all that on these B&M's would do wonders for the older hypers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cfc Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 I find the Morgan trains to be quite comfortable, but I agree that the open-air B&M trains could enhance these rides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorkscrewFoley Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 I would like to see more of this too. I am still hoping that CP would do Phantom's Revenge style trains with the restraints. Both of them have some insane moment of airtime (PR's being better), I would think this would work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aceattack52 Posted April 3, 2013 Share Posted April 3, 2013 ^ I don't have any problems with the Morgan trains but they are incredibly dated look and design wise...the open air sides and all that on these B&M's would do wonders for the older hypers. The square body and lateral stripes were probably great looking if they existed in the 1970s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boardwalkbullet91507 Posted April 3, 2013 Share Posted April 3, 2013 The Morgan trains on the Steel Eel aren't that bad, they're comfortable, but I would prefer these B&M trains over the Morgans. Hopefully the success with these will spark some interest from other parks. They look pretty nice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spideyfreak Posted April 3, 2013 Share Posted April 3, 2013 The wheel sets are the exact same ones that were used on the old train. B&M retrofitted their own chassis with Morgan's wheels. Source? They look different in the pics on the last page... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJeXeL Posted April 3, 2013 Share Posted April 3, 2013 The wheel assemblies are clearly different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coasterlover420 Posted April 3, 2013 Share Posted April 3, 2013 Just to put these two pictures in the same post: The bogeys and wheels are clearly different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rcjp Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 Has anyone been able to find a decent POV with these new trains? The only thing onride video I could find was this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qy438GKSJ8. Watching it I get the impression that the trains go through the last airtime hills a bit faster than the old ones. However, it still feels a bit strange to me to see B&M trains siting two across. Must be a lot better than the old ones, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SharkTums Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 ^If you wait two months there will be a great TPR POV posted from our upcoming trip! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scbt Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 ^^ wow, after watching that I can see why they put a low maximum height on the new trains. Those headchoppers on the return airtime hills looks really tight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aceattack52 Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 ^^^ It really does look odd seeing only two across like that on a B&M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
necoastergp Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 I love B&M trains, these look awesome. Hopefully they'll make it to a US hyper someday, love to see them on Magnum those lap bars hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jray21 Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 I hope the trains help speed up the ride, but I'm guessing it wouldn't be that major if it did. I do like the design of them, and agree that the older trains should put these in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coasterfreak101 Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 ^I imagine they're at least a little more aerodynamic than those old box trains, so it very well might! They do look like they're flying on the run back to the station. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zem Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 ^^^ It really does look odd seeing only two across like that on a B&M. They don't look that odd to me. They seem to just be a somewhat modified version of these B&M trains: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougMJr Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 ^I think it looks odd because the Behemoth style trains are wider than Steel Dragons 2 across seating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A.J. Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 They don't look that odd to me. They seem to just be a somewhat modified version of these B&M trains: I still think that those trains have the most inefficient design in human history. They probably could have used the V-shape seating arrangement. But, to do that they would have had to redesign and rebuild all of the catwalks on the lift and layout, as well as the station platform, to accommodate the wider trains. The new trains were probably designed with one major specification in mind - keeping the overall width exactly the same. EDIT: Those tight head-chopping clearances are probably tight horizontally as well. Another reason to keep the width the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 Yeah those staggered B&M trains are still so strange...no idea what the thinking behind that was, other than to be different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRHcoasterki Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 ^ I think the initial intention was for every seat to have an unobstructed, open-air view. But yeah... They're just really weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jray21 Posted April 9, 2013 Share Posted April 9, 2013 I hated the V design because a lot of the GP would have no clue where to sit and would screw up the lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Posted April 9, 2013 Share Posted April 9, 2013 ^ I think the initial intention was for every seat to have an unobstructed, open-air view. But yeah... They're just really weird. I know I rode Intimidator at Carowinds and they have them...but I have no recollection of the experience being any different than any other B&M hyper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coasterfreak101 Posted April 9, 2013 Share Posted April 9, 2013 ^It's really not. The staggered seating trains are probably B&Ms biggest blunder, as far as I'm concerned. Pointless design that offers nothing new but the need for a longer station and a horrid rattle that I've never felt on any of the other hypers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_koppen Posted April 9, 2013 Share Posted April 9, 2013 ^It's really not. The staggered seating trains are probably B&Ms biggest blunder, as far as I'm concerned. Pointless design that offers nothing new but the need for a longer station and a horrid rattle that I've never felt on any of the other hypers. Does the longer staggered seating trains offer a different (slower) pacing than the orignial design? Would love to thry those out some day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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