robbalvey Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 If anything this now gives the parks an opportunity to improve their product. You can't change the fact that now those crappy, rough coasters are now mangled in the ocean It's a very, very good point. And I'm actually VERY interested to see how they plan to re-build the parks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark549 Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 I wonder about Galveston Island "Historic" Pleasure Pier in Texas. Hurricane Ike a few years ago had a higher storm surge than Sandy's in the place where the Galveston park is. I can't imagine they got good insurance coverage, especially after Ike. Â I haven't been to the NJ parks nor the Galveston park, although the looper in Texas looks nice. (I've been on Dare Devil Dive in Georgia, which I assume is similar.) Â I'm not much of a credit whore, I'll ride all the coasters in a park (when I've gone there for a good coaster) but I've never gone out of my way to ride "credit only" rides like the ones that were destroyed by Sandy. Â I'm more interested if the cyclone damaged the Coney Island Cyclone. Of course, it's not even a tertiary concern for New York, today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CViolaOfficial Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 Im glad Wildwood wasn't affected, because they actually have some decent coasters as well, not taking away anything from the ones in Seaside Heights that were destroyed by this huge hurricane, which is one that I went through, only being 40 minutes away from where the storm hit. I'm just looking forward to when Morey's Piers will finally get a hold on this 2013/2014 Wooden Coaster project, as well as the massive refurbishment of Steel Pier in Atlantic City in the next couple of years. So although this storm was severely damaging, there's much to look forward to in the future to come! Â -Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardCraze Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 Folks, I'm sorry to say we took a bad hit from Sandy. The North Boardwalk is gone and damage to our main boardwalk and pier occurred as well. The Ice Casino sustained some damage as water and sand came on to the main rink. This means we will have to remake the ice. We will be inspecting further and hopefully we won't find much more damage. The good news is that the rides made it through okay. Our wonderful and dedicated maintenance staff made sure of that! Â FaceBook update from Rye Playland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bert425 Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 LOL at my review at 1:48 in this video...  And my "review" is at 1:52 on this video.... lol  --Robb "Trying to at least find the positive in all this..." Alvey  what's funny, is I JUST watched these two on your youtube channel the other night.  weird timing!  (yeah, the looked awful, so no great losses). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3Mutts Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 (edited) Morey posted some pictures, the bad news is that the SLC and Boomerang survived!  https://www.facebook.com/MoreysPiers/photos_stream  Here is a airal view of Casino Pier. Good news is Pirates Hideaway survived. Edited October 31, 2012 by 3Mutts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bert425 Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 I wonder about Galveston Island "Historic" Pleasure Pier in Texas. Hurricane Ike a few years ago had a higher storm surge than Sandy's in the place where the Galveston park is. I can't imagine they got good insurance coverage, especially after Ike. Â the pier that they built "Pleasure Pier" on, has withstood many, many strong hurricanes (used to house a hotel). Â I'm sure the rides would get damaged by heavy storm surge, but the pier absolutely would survive and they would be able to rebuild. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UrbanLegend Posted October 31, 2012 Author Share Posted October 31, 2012 (edited) I'd be interested to see what mesures these parks might make to prevent future damage. Would rebuilding the boardwalks out of materials other than wood make them more resilient? Â I'm going to get a little nerdy for a second (yay Environmental Science degree!) Short answer, no. Well, yes, you could build the boardwalks out of steel if you wanted to, but that doesn't really matter. What matters is the sand underneath, more specifically it being eroded. Let's say Seaside Heights decides to build a seawall or throw down a bunch of rocks to protect the piers. This steepens the beach, which makes wave erosion even worse (before the wave energy would dissipate up the gentle slope of the beach, now all of it is being slammed into the vertical seawall). This scoops out more sand underneath the piers, forcing SH to invest more in protection, which will just erode more sand... it's a vicious cycle, and futile in the long term. And this gets so much worse when huge storms like Irene or Sandy come along. So the real problem started hundreds of years ago, when we decided to build permanent structures on beaches and coasts. Whoops. Â As for the rides themselves, I wouldn't hold my breath for anything significantly better or more expensive. After all, why put in something big when it's going to get washed away after a few hurricane seasons? People rode Star Jet and Looping Coaster even if they were objectively terrible and cheapo, so it's economically shrewd to just replace a crap ride with a crap until we invent weather machines. EDIT: And in regard to "but X pier has been around for Y years already, it'll be fine!": Modern storms have been more intense and more frequent than in the past, and this trend will only continue. Climate change is a real bitch, ain't it? Edited October 31, 2012 by UrbanLegend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bert425 Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 (edited) Robb, I hope you feel special! Â you enraged a troll enough to register on the site! Â whee! Â that's better than a loop-de-loo! Â Â (and honestly?. . you make the "hobby" look BETTER.. you are by far, more attractive (and thinner!) than most "enthusiasts" (myself included) that I see at parks). Edited October 31, 2012 by bert425 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Farmer Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 Relocations: Palisades Amusement Park as Jet StarCasino Pier as Jet Star Ocean as Jet Star  I think this would have been better than just changing the status to defunct.  I hope the owners will be able to make it through, I feel terribly for them. None of Jersey's boardwalk coasters did anything for me (with the exception of Nor'Easter), so at face value- it should be a classic example of not a single crap being given- but you never want to see this happen to a small business (I assume it is a small business). I'm not familiar with the ownership situation of the piers, but while it's been pointed out that SFOG and Knoebels (among others) deal with this on a yearly basis, I doubt the Seaside Heights piers are anywhere near as well off or capable of having something in place to deal with this as those parks with corporate backing. I'll compare it to the way Japan reacted to the 2011 tsunami as opposed to how Indonesia fared after the 2004 tsunami. I realize Knoebels doesn't fall into the corporate category, but I get the feeling that it's established and does very well for a family park. It certainly doesn't appear to struggle like an Indiana Beach, for example.  Regarding location, yeah, there are risks and eventualities that come with operating on some wooden boards over the Atlantic- but how long would a place like Casino Pier last inland without that distinguishing feature and advantage it has over SFGAdv? Sometimes small businesses have no other choice but to operate in a riskier and unfavorable climate if they want to stay afloat, so I can't consider this being a case of them getting what they deserve. The piers are like a mushroom growing on a turd; if it weren't for the turd, the mushroom wouldn't be there in the first place.  I wrote this with the assumption that these piers are private or family-owned. If these were corporate owned, I don't think I would care in the least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbalvey Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 Robb, I hope you feel special! you enraged a troll enough to register on the site! It's great to know we have that kind of effect on people! lol  --Robb "Childish post deleted, member banned, nothing to see here..." Alvey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voxelmatic Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 I could feel my ribs crack just by watching those POV's again... Just those POV's make me say good riddance to those two coasters! Thank you for this Sandy! You have prevented another season of suffering caused by these two . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thestripedtaco Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 I hope that people understand that just because you don't agree with someones point of view dosen't grant you the right to personally attack someone on their opinion. Sure I might not agree with everything Robb says but this site is one of the best out there for this subject and if you can't learn to at least tolerate others opinions then you should not view or be a member of this site. Just my two cents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STR8FXXXINEDGE Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 Even though the coasters weren't good, it's still a sad site to see. Glad I was able to snag the credits last year! Â There's no doubt in my mind that they will rebuild and improve. Can't wait to see how they bounce back! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbalvey Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 (edited) I hope that people understand that just because you don't agree with someones point of view dosen't grant you the right to personally attack someone on their opinion. Sure I might not agree with everything Robb says but this site is one of the best out there for this subject and if you can't learn to at least tolerate others opinions then you should not view or be a member of this site. Just my two cents. There's a lot of REALLY REALLY REALLY INSANE people out there in this hobby with serious issues. It seems that most of them also belong to "other" clubs or websites, because that mentality doesn't fit in here. And that's fine...there should be a place for those people...like Carnival cruise ships, or Golden Corral or Wal-Mart.... They just don't belong on TPR. Â Like I've always said, you can disagree with me as much as you want, I don't care... It's when you disagree *AND* are a total asshole while doing it that's going to get you banned. Â And it's the same batshit crazy "Save teh Big Dipper" people who are getting pissed at us now because we're not crying over a couple of awful coasters being destroyed... Whatever.... Â --Robb "Nuff Said..." Alvey Edited October 31, 2012 by robbalvey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thestripedtaco Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 ^ I think your policies on banning make total sense. Forums would be so boring if people weren't allowed to argue with each other within reason. Thank you for always being consistent with crimes vs. punishments and for continuing to create such a great site for people like all of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A.J. Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 Like I said, while I don't necessarily feel bad for the coasters being lost at sea (even though I am of the vast majority who have never ridden either of them and therefore really can't have an opinion), I feel bad for Casino Pier. The park will have to spend all sorts of money on not only repairing the destroyed sections of the pier, but also replacing two coasters which probably were decent moneymakers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double0Kevin Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 At first I saw that red loop in the water and thought it was a Schwarzkopf that I didn't know about and I was gonna be so sad... Then I paid more attention and saw there wasn't much to cry about with that one. Bummer for the park though, that will be a tough one to recover from even with insurance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbalvey Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 Like I said, while I don't necessarily feel bad for the coasters being lost at sea (even though I am of the vast majority who have never ridden either of them and therefore really can't have an opinion), I feel bad for Casino Pier. The park will have to spend all sorts of money on not only repairing the destroyed sections of the pier, but also replacing two coasters which probably were decent moneymakers. Exactly. No one has said they don't feel bad for the parks or are laughing at them or anything. But we're allowed to have an opinion of those coasters and be happy/sad that they have been destroyed. Â I'm looking forward to re-visiting both of those parks and supporting them with my money when they get re-built! (Of course, none of the crazy people will bother to mention that I've said this or anything...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OISU8P Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 (edited) This thread has got complex with craziness and I am having a hard time keeping up with some of the nonsense. Â However, I will back the the ones with a a clear mind on this one. Â If I were the owners ( granted their family and community are OK) I would be saying. Â Â We just just got an upgrade from some crappy $hit to some new $hit curtsey of Sandy and State Farm (or whatever insurance they have) Edited October 31, 2012 by robbalvey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbalvey Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 (edited) ^ EXACTLY!!!! Â The owners of these parks, after everything settles, *HAVE* to be looking at how to move forward. THEY HAVE TO BE!!!! Â So instead of wallowing on how shitty this is...focus on how to make things BETTER! Â This is what I just don't "get" from when I say people have an "ACE Mentality" - they are sitting at their computer seriously crying over the fact that some god-awful looping Pinfari and some garbage steel thing got swept away. BIG. FUCKKING. DEAL!!! Â Focus on the fact that these parks now have an opportunity to make themselves BETTER! Â They'll create jobs. They'll create awareness for the area and the community. They'll bring in more business because people will want to support them after the tragedy. No one gives two shits about some crappy coasters other than these die-hard insane coaster enthusiasts that would want to try to save a roller coaster made of elephant feces if one existed. Â Yeah, it sucks the storm wiped out the parks. Now focus on the future... Â --Robb "Why is that such a terrible thing to say?" Alvey Edited October 31, 2012 by robbalvey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rollercoaster Rider Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 ^ EXACTLY!!!! The owners of these parks, after everything settles, *HAVE* to be looking at how to move forward. THEY HAVE TO BE!!!!  So instead of wallowing on how shitty this is...focus on how to make things BETTER!  This is what I just don't "get" from when I say people have an "ACE Mentality" - they are sitting at their computer seriously crying over the fact that some god-awful looping Pinfari and some garbage steel thing got swept away. BIG. FUCKKING. DEAL!!!  Focus on the fact that these parks now have an opportunity to make themselves BETTER!  They'll create jobs. They'll create awareness for the area and the community. They'll bring in more business because people will want to support them after the tragedy. No one gives two shits about some crappy coasters other than these die-hard insane coaster enthusiasts that would want to try to save a roller coaster made of elephant feces if one existed.  Yeah, it sucks the storm wiped out the parks. Now focus on the future...  --Robb "Why is that such a terrible thing to say?" Alvey    Are you sure? Tell that to Six Flags New Orleans. How about Cypress Gardens circa 2004? Six Flags Atlantis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thestripedtaco Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 ^ He already talked about Six Flags New Orleans and what happened to it after the hurricane and why it was not rebuilt. Plus those aren't piers with crappy coasters. Those are entire amusement parks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A.J. Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 ^ He already talked about Six Flags New Orleans and what happened to it after the hurricane and why it was not rebuilt. Plus those aren't piers with crappy coasters. Those are entire amusement parks. Entire amusement parks with costly attractions anchored deeply into the ground. Â Wasn't the Star Jet a portable coaster? Didn't it just, y'know, sit on the pier? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astat Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 ...I haven't logged in on TPR in over a year? Seriously? Â Just thought I'd drop in here with a video that covers a lot of the damage to the piers and such: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp=49615945 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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