ernierocker Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 ^ I like Franklin, seems like a great coach and the kind of guy his players really want to play for so I hope he wasn't involved in this. Being a Tennessee fan, I have to disagree with you. But seriously, he has acted extremely immature and butthurt this summer when Tennessee started racking up on the in-state recruits especially via his Twitter. I also got a a douche-ish vibe from him the way he storms up and down the sidelines during games, kind of like a little kid throwing a tantrum when he doesn't get his way. He REALLY should of jumped ship last year and took a job at a school that can win long term. Now that he is getting his first taste of adversity at Vandy, he is showing his true colors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeroGravity55 Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 Speaking of, if this was anywhere else in the SEC, this case would be plastered all over ESPN. Well if they weren't so busy reporting allegations against Johnny Manizel, which only got him suspended for 2 quarters. Maybe they actually would have talked about the situation. Chip Kelly back to USC? Interesting, I can't say that it's bad idea, but I think Kelly will be pretty successful in the NFL, at minimum he'll last more than 1 year which will be longer than USC can wait to hire a new coach haha. I don't think Chip will be back to college after the way the Eagles played tonight. But then again, we all thought Saban was going to be a great NFL coach after his first season in the NFL. I really would like to see USC go with a coach who has a high-tempo offense. If they don't, I think UCLA is going to steal all the top flight recruits, which they're currently doing right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmullin Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 I doubt Chip would go back to USC, especially if he does well with the Eagles, he seems to be doing alright with the win over the Redskins tonight, but their offense was absent on the second half. Let the Redskins back in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeroGravity55 Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 ^ I don't put to much stock into the 1st week of the season. The fact that they ran 77 plays in a NFL game, is absolutely ridiculous. Most teams get better over the course of the season and if they can run more than 77 plays, I feel sorry for the all the defenses that have to face the Eagles. Chip might have a better shot at winning a championship in the NFL. When he was at Oregon, teams had 6 weeks to condition and gameplan for his offense, before the bowl game was played. Now, teams will only have a maximum of two weeks to prepare in the Playoffs. They might be able to gameplan, but I don't think there is no way you can condition yourself for that type of pace. Of course, if he comes back to college, he'll come back to the long needed college football playoff, which would definitely help his chances of winning a championship at the college level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jew Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 It will be interesting to see if his team can even keep up with that pace for an entire season. It's a lot easier to run that offense with a roster of 85 than it is with a roster of 53. USC wouldn't be able to outspend Phil Knight if it came down to it---there is absolutely no way he would allow it. He'd pay Chip Kelly $10 mil/year to be AD or something just to keep him away from USC. I've never understood the infatuation with James Franklin. He has yet to win a big conference game in the SEC, but I guess if you are Vandy any sign of progress makes you the best coach they've ever had... As for Kiffin? He needs to hang 60 on Boston College or he's done. He out thinks himself. If he opens up the playbook (or lets his QB coach who is up in the box and a former OC with Memphis actually call plays...), with the talent available...USC could feasibly win out now that the defense is actually coached well. The chances of him actually doing that are very very very very very very very very slim, but the potential is there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeroGravity55 Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 USC wouldn't be able to outspend Phil Knight if it came down to it---there is absolutely no way he would allow it. He'd pay Chip Kelly $10 mil/year to be AD or something just to keep him away from USC. Didn't he do the same thing with Mike Bellotti? I've never understood the infatuation with James Franklin. He has yet to win a big conference game in the SEC, but I guess if you are Vandy any sign of progress makes you the best coach they've ever had... While they've not won any big games, I think the fact they they're competitive is whats most impressive. It is probably very hard for him get a competitive advantage in recruiting on the other SEC schools with the academics, lack of facilities, and probably the lack of money the program gets. It wouldn't surprise me if he knew about the rape allegations, he probably covered it up, because he needed the players to have a chance to win. s for Kiffin? He needs to hang 60 on Boston College or he's done. He out thinks himself. If he opens up the playbook (or lets his QB coach who is up in the box and a former OC with Memphis actually call plays...), with the talent available...USC could feasibly win out now that the defense is actually coached well. The chances of him actually doing that are very very very very very very very very slim, but the potential is there. So true. He's to ignorant to give up his play calling duties. He was probably a great play caller when he was a OC, because he had to answer to the head coach. Now that he is in charge, he answers to nobody on his staff, so he does whatever he wants. Hopefully he will be answering to Pat Hayden very soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmullin Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 It was ridiculous that Oregon didn't get probation after the investigation. It seems pretty clear that they receive free gear from Nike, I mean no school spends that much money on uniforms, it's crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeroGravity55 Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 It was ridiculous that Oregon didn't get probation after the investigation. It seems pretty clear that they receive free gear from Nike, I mean no school spends that much money on uniforms, it's crazy. lol Their leading booster is the owner of Nike. Phil Knight is an alum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmullin Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 But aren't boosters not allowed in CF, even if Phil Knight is alum? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeroGravity55 Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 But aren't boosters not allowed in CF, even if Phil Knight is alum? Phil Knight gives millions of dollars to the University of Oregon every year. Same case at Oklahoma St. T. Boone Pickens has given millions of dollars to their program. They even named their stadium after him. As long as none of the money is given to the players, boosters can give all the money they want to their respected school in any program. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jew Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 ^You do realize that every major school in the country has a sponsorship from an apparel company, right? Oregon just happens to be the alma mater of the founder of Nike, so of course they have more (usually ridiculous) uniform options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeroGravity55 Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 ^ Yes I do, I was just trying to point out the very same you just said. Oregon gets more uniforms options, because the owner of Nike is an alum and also a booster. I just thought it was worth noting that the athletic programs at the University of Oregon and Oklahoma St. would be no where near as good as they are, without the monetary contributions that their respected boosters have made to the school. Of course, we now know that Oklahoma St. may have benefited from improper benefits, but we'll just have to see where that investigation goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmullin Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Oh, I was missing that. I thought they did give players a little money, but I didn't think he was giving all the money legally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeroGravity55 Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 ^ Ohh I believe that there is money given to players. I truly believe that there isn't a clean program, it's just most programs do a better job at hiding it than others.The NCAA won't investigate programs, unless they're given a reason to investigate. It's kinda like driving a car without a license. The cops won't know you don't have a license, unless you give them a reason to know. Oregon's violations came from a scouting service (that the school hired), giving one of their recruits improper benefits. So there was technically no money exchanged from school/booster to student. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hilltopper39 Posted September 11, 2013 Author Share Posted September 11, 2013 I had a booster give myself and a table of my teammates $100 for dinner one night, was that illegal? Probably, is it that big of a deal? Not really... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeroGravity55 Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 ^I really don't have a problem with it. These schools make MILLIONS off these student-athletes and all the student-athletes get is a scholarship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmullin Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 I wonder how different college sports would be if the players got paid some portion of the schools profit from their sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeroGravity55 Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 ^ That's what the NCAA is afraid of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jew Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 (edited) I just thought it was worth noting that the athletic programs at the University of Oregon and Oklahoma St. would be no where near as good as they are, without the monetary contributions that their respected boosters have made to the school. That goes for every single school in the country. A lot of the money made from basketball and football goes right back into paying for the costs of travel and the other sports at a school. Boosters make donations for facilities, coaching salaries (and firing coaches...), special scholarship endowments, and just about anything else the school can convince them to write a check for to put their name on it... Oklahoma State & Oregon are fortunate enough to have one booster who is able to fund all those things on their own. Most schools have to scrape together that money from lots of boosters. Oregon's violations came from a scouting service (that the school hired), giving one of their recruits improper benefits. So there was technically no money exchanged from school/booster to student. Will Lyles never paid the kid. Oregon paid him to steer LaMichael James and Lache Seastrunk to Oregon. I wonder how different college sports would be if the players got paid some portion of the schools profit from their sport. Basketball and Football fund the entire athletic department. So while I agree the stipend for players needs to increase, it's not like the money from basketball and football are making athletic directors billionaires. That money is going back into the athletic department to pay for the costs of operating all the sports, which is not exactly cheap (scholarships, books, dorms, travel, equipment, medical, training, food...for every sport). Edited September 11, 2013 by Jew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeroGravity55 Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Will Lyles never paid the kid. Oregon paid him to steer LaMichael James and Lache Seastrunk to Oregon. Thanks for correcting me. I knew the school paid Will Lyles, for some reason I thought he gave the players money to go to Oregon. Basketball and Football fund the entire athletic department. So while I agree the stipend for players needs to increase, it's not like the money from basketball and football are making athletic directors billionaires. That money is going back into the athletic department to pay for the costs of operating all the sports, which is not exactly cheap (scholarships, books, dorms, travel, equipment, medical, training, food...for every sport). I think these players should get enough to cover food, gas money and maybe a little bit of spending money. I don't think they should get paid like the pros, but I think individual players like Johnny Manizel, DeAnthony Thomas, and ext. should be able to get a portion of the profit that is made off of merchandise that bears their name, number and ext. The NCAA does not benefit from individual athletes? This is where I think student-athletes should be allowed to benefit money wise. All of these images were exposed by Jay Bilas of ESPN. If you have a twitter, I suggest following him, he's quite entertaining. After Bilas exposed them, the NCAA disabled the search bar, so if you go to type any of these players names, they won't show up. My personal favorite is the Paterno one. Selling a shirt that advertises a record, that you say doesn't exist? I will part with these images. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hilltopper39 Posted September 11, 2013 Author Share Posted September 11, 2013 One of the biggest games of the season is this weekend, Alabama at Texas A&M, what are your thoughts on this one? I think Alabama will win but I expect it to be a great match up. Who knows, Manziel might just go crazy on em like he did last year. As good as Bama is on defense that guy is still hard to stop, but I think Saban with a years worth of film will be ready. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ernierocker Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 I predict I will have turned the Tennessee game over to that one by halftime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jew Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 The NCAA does not benefit from individual athletes? No, of course they make money off superstars in college. But that money goes back into funding all the programs without superstars. Not even the pros get everything from their jersey sales---it goes into a pool split between the entire league (save for rare exceptions, like Michael Jordan and Barry Bonds who opted out of the union deal). The stipend should definitely be increased, but trying to compensate college players like pro players for merchandising is a very slippery slope... However, once they leave the school...that's when the player should be eligible for more money if the school continues to market their likeliness. Which is what Ed O'bannon's lawsuit is about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmullin Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 That's gonna be a great game, I'm really looking forward to see if Manziel can pull of his heroics again. I want to see him beat Bama, they always go to the title game. But I would say the game I am most looking for to this year is the Stanford vs. Oregon in November. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jew Posted September 15, 2013 Share Posted September 15, 2013 USC threw the ball to a tight end! In the middle of the field! And to the fullback! ...And in other news, the PAC-12 refs gave a game to ASU (or was it Wisconsin trying too hard to lineup for the perfect kick instead of just kicking a FG?), Nebraska got their butts kicked but did so in a classy manner honoring the deceased UCLA player, and Alabama just punched its ticket to the final BCS game already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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