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P. 130: Park land purchased for retail, dining & commercial development

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I've been reading almost every reply thus far, and have decided to steer clear of this thread, but I will say this.

 

But like they said themselves, they don't have any experience in running a business.

 

That's a great line that can sum this whole thing up. This has been said many times, but I'd like to reiterate it. It's one thing if you have the money to burn, all the necessary resources, plenty of time/dedication, etc. and something like this that has always been your lifelong dream has fallen right into your lap, but it's also another thing if you "bite off more than you can chew" and should stay away from something. Now I don't know how much these people make, who they know, what they know, how much free time they have to dedicate to this project, etc., but I'm definitely leaning towards the latter. "Impulse buy" is a phrase that comes to mind.

 

*goes back to ninja lurk mode*

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That's just to throw you off before the big reveal that it's coming back...

What year is it?

Being a CLE local I've been keeping an eye on these projects.  The housing development currently under construction on the old Sea World side also looks very nice, and in an area with excellent school

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It sounds like all they've really done is postpone Big Dipper's demolition and lost a few bucks in the process. I wonder if her most recent statement was released when they realized that the information they had out there made this effort seem too grassroots-ish. Their intentions may have been noble but a little foolhardy. The steps she's talking about should have been done before she and New Zealand guy parted with any cash. This effort seems to have been built on the backs of lollipops, rainbows, and unicorns.

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Harold and I are just two normal people. We aren't business people. We aren't rich

 

As we move into the business week, we are hoping to be able to get some definite figures on getting a professional inspection done of the coaster so we can get a goal set and a time line proposed for the careful removal of the coaster.

 

 

1. The people involved DO have the money to store, refurb, and relocate the ride, and have places in mind to move it

 

 

3. The ENTIRE RIDE was surveyed to be rebuilt already, it was done in case it did end up demolished, a park could build a copy of it, using the trains

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It sounds like all they've really done is postpone Big Dipper's demolition and lost a few bucks in the process. I wonder if her most recent statement was released when they realized that the information they had out there made this effort seem too grassroots-ish. Their intentions may have been noble but a little foolhardy. The steps she's talking about should have been done before she and New Zealand guy parted with any cash. This effort seems to have been built on the backs of lollipops, rainbows, and unicorns.

 

My guess is that the wrecking ball was on its way to the park when the purchase occurred. I hope Kat is more than willing to sacrifice her social life to keep this project afloat or it might sink before any inspection takes place.

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If you read the recently posted article about the Starliner being moved, the people involved with that said the project would cost around two million dollars. That coaster was operating recently, and has not been sitting somewhere rotting. I'd guess to actually revive the BD you're talking twice that amount, IF any of it could even be salvaged at this point.

 

This plan is beyond dumb and is an amazing joke. I love all the excuses in the forum post, "Oh, I'm busy", "Oh, I didn't have time to make a website", "Oh, we have no business experience". This plan has about as much chance of succeeding as my cats developing a working spaceship.

 

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Two million was also how much it cost to rebuild the Belmont Giant Dipper as well, I think. This whole thing actually is a lot like Giant Dipper, it seems. Someone buys it but it sits for a while, some more people buy it and can't raise any money to do anything with it, so it sits some more. Except with Giant Dipper, an ACTUAL PLAN was formed (albeit some time after the purchase) with developers and led to the formation of an entire COMPANY to support the project, on top of fundraising and federal grants. So, theoretically, it could happen, but not without the "magic" better known as money, and a plan of attack, and even IF all of that happened, there probably wouldn't be results for years.That coaster will be sitting in the back of a lot of people's pickup trucks for a long time until someone releases a plan.

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My project expectations went from to to in that one post....

What Kat and the New Zealand magician....

 

Dude, I literaly sprayed my keyboard with water when I read "the new Zealand magician". Holy hell, thanks for that laugh!

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So, people bought the Big Dipper in order to disassemble it and put it in an indoor storage facility without a plan to find a place to rebuild it or find a park that would be willing to buy it?

 

Makes perfect sense.

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At least she is trying to do some all coaster fans have always wanted to do

 

There is about 1,000,000 things I would rather do than buy a crappy old wooden roller coaster without a plan to return it to operation.

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This plan is beyond dumb and is an amazing joke. I love all the excuses in the forum post, "Oh, I'm busy", "Oh, I didn't have time to make a website", "Oh, we have no business experience". This plan has about as much chance of succeeding as my cats developing a working spaceship.

 

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I'd put my money on the cats. It seems much more likely to happen.

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At least she is trying to do some all coaster fans have always wanted to do

 

There is about 1,000,000 things I would rather do than buy a crappy old wooden roller coaster without a plan to return it to operation.

 

They have a plan. Just like John Kerry had plans. Trust them, they have them.

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While I don't understand the glee with which some are ripping apart this effort, I have to admit that while I was initially torn by the very transparent effort (just two regular people, who saw a cause to rally around, pooling some cash together before the foolish owner of an old SBNO coaster was going to have it torn down) ... I am now leaning in the direction that they really need to stop thanking their brother and neighbor on the main page of their site, and start making it seem like they're actually serious about doing something. I know most here will immediately post that "yah, duh, the reason it looks the way it does is because that's what it is!!!", it does seem like (especially in this day and age) it shouldn't be too hard to at least present a professional look.

 

http://www.savethebigdipper.org/donations/ They've already pulled in .04% of their donation goal!

 

I probably don't know a whole hell of a lot more about "the biz" than the two people behind this, but even the lamest of Internet grassroots campaigns have come off a lot more professional than this.

 

The only other comment I would have to them, if they're reading, is to stop claiming victory. As if sending a check for $10k "just minutes" before it was to be taken down should be labeled as "WE DID IT". I think a much more truthful, and effective, angle would be to say that you've just begun what is sure to be a very tough journey and will need the support of anyone who happens upon the site to even come close to starting the first real step to letting the coaster "fly again".

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A couple of comments...

 

While I don't understand the glee with which some are ripping apart this effort

I think it's probably because they have made themselves out to be an easy target. And, let's be honest, the people who have attempted to post in their defense have actually caused more damage than they did good, and that just fueled the fire to poke fun at the effort even more.

 

I have to admit that while I was initially torn by the very transparent effort (just two regular people, who saw a cause to rally around, pooling some cash together before the foolish owner of an old SBNO coaster was going to have it torn down) ... I am now leaning in the direction that they really need to stop thanking their brother and neighbor on the main page of their site, and start making it seem like they're actually serious about doing something. I know most here will immediately post that "yah, duh, the reason it looks the way it does is because that's what it is!!!", it does seem like (especially in this day and age) it shouldn't be too hard to at least present a professional look.

 

I probably don't know a whole hell of a lot more about "the biz" than the two people behind this, but even the lamest of Internet grassroots campaigns have come off a lot more professional than this.

Totally fair comments. Even the re-design (which apparently they seem VERY proud of) isn't anything more than your stock Dreamweaver template that was shipped with the product in 2004. Looks better than the god-awful abortion they had up initially, but it's still terrible by today's standards.

 

It's clear they don't even have any clue about websites or how they work. I mean, this was posted to their website today:

As a side note, we have received over 2,400 hits on our webpage in the past three days! Amazing!

What??? No! That's not "amazing!" TPR received 1.3 million "hits" and ate through 114gb of bandwidth just yesterday alone...and we're a relatively small site!

 

Anyone that thinks 800 hits a day on a website is "amazing" tells me they don't actually understand the scope of the project they have in front of them.

 

The only other comment I would have to them, if they're reading, is to stop claiming victory. As if sending a check for $10k "just minutes" before it was to be taken down should be labeled as "WE DID IT". I think a much more truthful, and effective, angle would be to say that you've just begun what is sure to be a very tough journey and will need the support of anyone who happens upon the site to even come close to starting the first real step to letting the coaster "fly again".

I agree 100%. It's like they are putting the victory before the race. I don't understand that attitude. And by doing this victory dance what they are actually communicating to people is "We're done! We did it!" and then the follow up asking for donations is actually confusing to anyone outside of the inner circles.

 

I mean, they told the public "The Big Dipper HAS BEEN SAVED!" so if that's what you're communicating to me, "why should I then give you a donation to help save it? I thought you told me it was already saved?"

 

Their need to brag about what they've done is actually creating confusion and causing damage to their efforts. If anything they should be reading this thread and LISTENING to what a lot of us have to say. This is free advice to Kat & Kiwi! Normally I get PAID for this kind of common sense thinking!

 

At the moment, there are two other preservation efforts going on - Zippin Pippin and Starliner (three if you count the effort for the Blue Streak) and each one of them present a very good example on how to do this VERY professionally, and most importantly, believable so that people will donate to the cause.

 

When you have three great examples out there as reference, how can you fail so miserably?

 

So Randall, it's not that we're taking so much glee ripping apart the effort, it's that the effort so far has been so ridiculous that how can you not poke fun at it?

 

--Robb "My donation to this project is sensibility..." Alvey

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The only other comment I would have to them, if they're reading, is to stop claiming victory. As if sending a check for $10k "just minutes" before it was to be taken down should be labeled as "WE DID IT". I think a much more truthful, and effective, angle would be to say that you've just begun what is sure to be a very tough journey and will need the support of anyone who happens upon the site to even come close to starting the first real step to letting the coaster "fly again".

I agree 100%. It's like they are putting the victory before the race. I don't understand that attitude. And by doing this victory dance what they are actually communicating to people is "We're done! We did it!" and then the follow up asking for donations is actually confusing to anyone outside of the inner circles.

 

I mean, they told the public "The Big Dipper HAS BEEN SAVED!" so if that's what you're communicating to me, "why should I then give you a donation to help save it? I thought you told me it was already saved?"

Hey if it worked for bush with the war why cant it work for them!

 

Jarvis "mission accomplished!" Morant

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Right, as I read the website today I did indeed picture Dubya standing in front of that banner. Seems like the only thing really "saved", at this point, is the dope that bought the coaster at auction in the first place. He's now washed his hands of his intended flip, so he should be posting a Mission Accomplished statement on his site.

 

It does seem odd to me that they didn't approach industry people, or even a larger forum like this, before announcing that they "saved" it.

 

I enjoy that $50 is prefilled in when you go to the donation page, by the way.

 

Anyway, good intentions I'm sure - but I do have to agree that the execution of this whole thing (to this point, at least) is about as poor as the overall concept (considering the scope of actually disassembling/transporting/storing/finding location/re-building etc).

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As a side note, we have received over 2,400 hits on our webpage in the past three days! Amazing!

What? No! That's not "amazing!" TPR received 1.3 million "hits" and ate through 114gb of bandwidth just yesterday alone...and we're a relatively small site!

LOL! I just realized something...

 

THIS THREAD has had more than 2,400 hits in the last three days! AMAZING!

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Someone should contact Warren Buffet or Bill Gates or someone like that...I'm sure they'd get a kick out of giving these people their three-hundred K and watching them flounder about trying to find a park that would actually want the damn thing.

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