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p. 235: Nemesis Reborn announced for Spring 2024!

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When these plans first got leaked or whatever Merlin does to get these plans out years in advance, I did not see a Euro fighter in it at all! The track holds true in their designs to the actual rides in all these leaked plans(RITA, Th13teen, SAW, Swarm etc). It did not look like a Gerstlauer to me at all & it made no sense to me why Alton would want one(eurofighter) with a vertical lift but not the 90+ degree drops following. Then last week when I read that article, there was not only high hopes it wasnt a Gerstlauer but no doubt as well. I def hope its a Maurer Sohne, it simply makes more sense to me. Xcars with high profile themeing, poss lights like HRRR, inversions with lapbars... Idk, just my opinion.

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Been having a rethink about this, cause something just didn't add up with the track style and maurer......there is a small chance that completely out of leftfield (looking at good capacity etc.... and track style) a newer design Vekoma coaster maybe?!

 

Looking at Battlestar in another thread, the track looks identical, and looking at some of their recent models (Their Stingray Model for example, and even some of the elements on Battlestar) Vekoma are capable of producing a compact ride.

 

I am not as confident on this one as Maurer, but looking at the track design specifically, this could be very interesting!

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Fully agree with the article, and wouldn't be surprised whatsoever if this were another Maurer like HRRR. And I loved HRRR (minus the roughness) so one with this many inversions could be great! Hopefully if it is one, we'll see some of the cool features from HRRR, but I wouldn't be surprised if they weren't there considering the darker theme.

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I hope it will be the Premier Ride Launch coaster. I thought reading something of Premier building a launch in Europe somewhere on TPR. Seeing Premier Rides track these two are the same. That article gave me the push I needed to make sure it wasn't a Euro-fighter. But I stared my doubts about the name of the second inversion it looks like a Butterfly but it has also the looks of the Twisted Horseshoe element (used in Blue Fire Europa Park and Maverick Cedar Point) this I stared to think because of the no limits version of SW7 it looks more to 2 (let's say) Corkscrew whit a curve between them. This is exactly what a Twisted Horseshoe is actually. But a Butterfly is a half corkscrew followed by a half looping and that again whit the second half corkscrew coming out next to the other half corkscrew. So the element in the plans looks to me as if it was a Twisted Horseshoe.

But I'm wondering what it's going to be this coaster, which manufacturer and if there is a night inversion inside.

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While SW7's footprint will not cover the area that incorporates Submission and Enterprise, construction work will be simplified by closing the two attractions

 

Confused by this!?

 

How even though the ride footprint will not go anywhere near this (I could partially understand Enterprise being closed as it is next to the site) But not Submission, how is that even affected, as the entrance for it is past Oblivion?!

 

Alton are weird sometimes!

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While SW7's footprint will not cover the area that incorporates Submission and Enterprise, construction work will be simplified by closing the two attractions

 

Confused by this!?

 

How even though the ride footprint will not go anywhere near this (I could partially understand Enterprise being closed as it is next to the site) But not Submission, how is that even affected, as the entrance for it is past Oblivion?!

 

Alton are weird sometimes!

 

I don't see what is weird at all about closing both of them and removing them while work is going on. It allows easy placement for track storage, site offices, plant machinery etc. Also it can allow the park to remove submission and do some much needed TLC on the ride. It wouldn't surprised me if Submission didn't return.

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While SW7's footprint will not cover the area that incorporates Submission and Enterprise, construction work will be simplified by closing the two attractions

 

Confused by this!?

 

How even though the ride footprint will not go anywhere near this (I could partially understand Enterprise being closed as it is next to the site) But not Submission, how is that even affected, as the entrance for it is past Oblivion?!

 

Alton are weird sometimes!

 

I don't see what is weird at all about closing both of them and removing them while work is going on. It allows easy placement for track storage, site offices, plant machinery etc. Also it can allow the park to remove submission and do some much needed TLC on the ride. It wouldn't surprised me if Submission didn't return.

 

All the article says is that the rides would be closed, not removed....this is why I am confused, if they are there why not open them?!

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Well if they are not being removed it could be due to electrical requirements that may need the sub stations to be relocated, upgraded or something and to make it easier they close the rides. There could be tons of reasons why they are closed. I don't think it will effect too many people as I cant say I see that many people on Submission or Enterprise even when its busy.

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Earlier today Alton Towers began following a Twitter account called PhalanxControl. One of their tweets:

 

 

Communication received - discovery of hidden cave system at research facility in Staffordshire #sub_terra http://yfrog.com/nyd2lksj

 

Edit: After reaching 150 followers, the following was posted:

 

 

Specialist equipment has been deployed for underground search purposes #sub_terra http://yfrog.com/h84mcgij
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Been having a rethink about this, cause something just didn't add up with the track style and maurer......there is a small chance that completely out of leftfield (looking at good capacity etc.... and track style) a newer design Vekoma coaster maybe?!

 

Looking at Battlestar in another thread, the track looks identical, and looking at some of their recent models (Their Stingray Model for example, and even some of the elements on Battlestar) Vekoma are capable of producing a compact ride.

 

I am not as confident on this one as Maurer, but looking at the track design specifically, this could be very interesting!

 

It certainly looks more like the new MK1300 track from Vekoma than any Maurer coaster. But couldn't it just be a new track design from Gerstlauer?

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@Thomasdw This is exactly what I was initially thinking, but Gerstlauer introduced the four tube track last year on Takabisha. I don't see why they would change again and I doubt Alton would request for the company to change track style but you never know. I hope this is Vekoma instead of Maurer (I am a big fan of Vekoma's recent stuff), but I think this will be Maurer due to the vertical lift. (I'm assuming everyone is in agreement that this isn't B&M, Intamin, Mack. S&S or Zierer)

 

Vekoma (only uses single support):

 

Gerstlauer (support structure is too thin compared to plans):

 

Maurer (most similar to plans, uses lattice support that is wider than the track):

 

SW7:

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