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If someone would be son kind as to answer a question for me. When a car valleys like the one the first one did if there was no accident how do they move them out of the way?

It varies depending on the coaster and where it valleys. On Smiler, where that train valleyed, they normally just remove some of the wheel assemblies and use a crane to lift the train off the track and put it back onto the transfer track. On other coasters sometimes they can winch the train up to the next high point and then it can complete the circuit itself.

 

 

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If someone would be son kind as to answer a question for me. When a car valleys like the one the first one did if there was no accident how do they move them out of the way?

 

In China, a guy comes out and pushes the coaster with a long stick.

 

It's actually a child that does that in China now.

That's my job when I was 8!

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The issue isn't that it valleys though, it's that a train ended up in an occupied block. Plus it's totally impractical never to send empty trains. It's going to happen eventually because at the end of the night you need to send empty trains to get everyone back into the station and off the ride (assuming the transfer is at the end, but I'm not familiar with the ride). To load those trains with water dummies would take forever while people are stacked on the brakes.

 

I know you specified "in testing" but you would have the same issue just in sending empty trains at the end of the night.

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Which is why I proposed new trains/wheels as another option. Having to run that risk every night with the only way to fix it being bringing in a crane isn't exactly efficient.

 

This accident is another issue with blocks yes, but the train valleying quite a lot is an issue in and of itself.

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There could be a simple solution to help with the valley problems. Colossus at Thorpe Park has heating lamps underneath the track in the station that is used to heat up the wheels and bearings when cold. This helps when testing on cool mornings and nights to help the trains go faster.

 

While the logistics of Smiler are different, and this might not be a miracle solution, it would definitely help a lot. Considering Merlin is in charge of both parks, maybe they will adopt the idea and ring it to Alton.

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There could be a simple solution to help with the valley problems. Colossus at Thorpe Park has heating lamps underneath the track in the station that is used to heat up the wheels and bearings when cold. This helps when testing on cool mornings and nights to help the trains go faster.

 

While the logistics of Smiler are different, and this might not be a miracle solution, it would definitely help a lot. Considering Merlin is in charge of both parks, maybe they will adopt the idea and ring it to Alton.

Fire Dragon at Lagoon has Base Board Heaters in the Waiting Zones and I've seen Cedar Point use the Disk Heater things and Visqueen to keep Millennium Force's Wheels Warm. However, it's just as easy to run Fire Dragon back and forth from Waiting Zone 2 to Waiting Zone 3. However, we don't know if Smiler valleys because of cold wheels.

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  • 2 weeks later...

It was a blustery day so I am sure that this is what caused the valley, not cold wheels.

 

In related news Merlin have issued a profit warning as a result of the accident.

 

"Alton Towers owner Merlin Entertainments says the rollercoaster accident at the theme park in June could affect profits by up to £47m. Profits for the theme parks division in 2015 are expected to be between £40m and £50m, compared with £87m last year."

 

Advertising was suspended for a while too, and as well as the money lost through closing the park there were compensation payments made to the victims of the collision. It's also worth mentioning that it has been quite a quiet year in terms of new additions so I guess profits would have been down a bit anyway.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-33672357

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Alton Towers have recently submitted a planning application for enhancements to Air, including improvements to the ride's station, the addition of a photo opportunity kiosk and also the addition of two new theming features, although the plans give no indication of what these will actually look like. TowersTimes has taken a detailed look here.

 

With the Rollercoaster Restaurant development on the top level of Air's station, it has been suggested that some sort of retheme or sponsorship of Air could accompany it. This has also been fuelled by a current 50% off promotion on all Air merchandise (excluding clothing), with some thinking that this would be an excessive way of simply going about reducing stock for the smaller retail space.

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Looks like The Smiler crash might be having an impact on Alton Tower's summer. I guess we'll have to wait until the end of summer to see what the attendance figures actually are.

 

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3180987/Heading-Oblivion-Alton-Towers-quiet-thrillseekers-barely-queue-popular-rollercoasters-park-shuts-early-hardly-s-there.html

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A lot of the gutter press have been posting pictures of empty trains/boats/car parks etc. I never post links to articles like this because it's all basically click-bait but I guess you cannot deny that the park HAS been very quiet since the accident. I visited one Saturday and it was very quiet, and every time I look at the ride times online most waits are 0-5 minutes long, and the odd one might be 20 minutes (normally Spinball).

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I remember visiting Galaxyland out in Edmonton a few years back, and people were still talking about the accident on the mindbender that happened almost 25 years ago. Now almost 30 years after the accident, whenever I mention how the Mindbender is in my top 5 coasters, the first thing that's usually out of people's mouths goes something like, "Isn't that the ride where people died or something... You're lucky to be alive".

 

I understand the accident at Alton towers wasn't quite as serious, but it was still pretty horrific to see something like that happen, and given the dark nature/theming of the ride, I could see this attraction getting a pretty bad rap from the GP for at least the next year or two.

 

That being said, I'm hoping the accident doesn't leave as much of an impact on the park as a whole as the Mindbender accident did here in Canada. I'd imagine Alton's PR team is far superior to the seemingly non existent one at Galaxyland, and the general atmosphere of the park seems much cleaner and friendlier than the Edmonton park.

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That being said, I'm hoping the accident doesn't leave as much of an impact on the park as a whole as the Mindbender accident did here in Canada. I'd imagine Alton's PR team is far superior to the seemingly non existent one at Galaxyland, and the general atmosphere of the park seems much cleaner and friendlier than the Edmonton park.

 

Merlins PR team are some of the most creative and insane people there is. The ideas they have come up with to advertise stuff over the years is nothing short of unique. The park will recover in the end I'm sure peoples attention span these days is a lot less than it was 10 years ago thanks to the internet so I'm sure when the next major news story breaks people will forget.

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So Halloween is creeping ever closer, parks are starting to announce their new attractions for the spooky season and Alton Towers is no exception.

 

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Featuring 2 new scare mazes, 2 new scare zones, a new route for Tower of the Terrors plus the brand new "Sub Species: Operation Lockdown" scare attraction it looks like Scarefest is getting a complete over haul.

 

New for 2015 - extreme horror escape room experience

 

In 1994, a government organisation known as The Phalanx, tasked with protecting the world from unknown threats, took on their most high profile case ever - to control the Nemesis creature and contain those that served it to the underground. Now, this post-apocalyptic, sewer dwelling community has been infested by a species from another world. The Phalanx have been called upon again to destroy the threat and they need you to join their ranks; become a Phalanx Operative and help battle the latest threat to life as we know it.

 

Join The Phalanx on their latest mission and take on a series of challenges to destroy the alien species and ensure you and the rest of humanity survive.

 

Sub Species: Operation Lockdown is a two hour extreme horror escape room experience. As Phalanx Operatives you'll be put into small groups and must complete a series of challenges throughout the operation including facing one of three escape rooms. Gain points by being the least contaminated Operative at the end of the mission and be entered in the leader board of infamous Phalanx Ranked Operatives. This will be a test of skill and nerve as you work together as team.

 

Do you have what it takes to take on Sub Species: Operation Lockdown?

 

Two hours extreme horror escape room experience with theatrical immersive story

Escape room challenges exclusive to the Sub Species: Operation Lockdown mission

Over 18s only

Very limited numbers available

Limited dates

From £99 per person

 

20% discount for Merlin Annual Pass holders. Limited places and times.

 

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So what do you think of the new Scarefest? Do you think it will help boost back Alton Towers attendance figures? Comment below.

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I've been on the Coaster counting website. The Smiler was greyed out. I searched up 'Alton Towers Smiler' on Google.

 

it said permanently closed. Is this the end of the Smiler? The answer is most likely yes.

 

But you can't trust Google all the time. Can anyone confirm the death of this Coaster or maybe a possible revival?

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Have you been reading the Daily Mail?

 

Its still listed as a ride on the Alton Towers website, and their daily ride time website albeit shown closed. Its not closing, but, the general opinion seems to be that it probably won't be open again until next season. Depends when the HSE investigation is complete.

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