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^Actually, I think that's an argument for having a somewhat more family friendly coaster at Holiday World, other than the Holidog-themed kiddie coaster. Raven, Legend, and Voyage are all rather intense rides.

hummm...so maybe their next coaster, if steel, should be something like manta-west or a mouse??

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Holiday World posted a clue as to next year's theme in their HWN Facebook group... I couldn't pass up the opportunity...

So, I think i'm going to burst my HWN cherry next year and finally take the trip (before I get too old).  I've never did a several day coaster event so I have no idea what to expect.  I've also never

My tips are that you really don’t need two full days in the park if they’re running rides at full capacity, but they probably won’t be next year in time for the event given the vaccine schedule.

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This is what I said:

 

"Okay. Holiday World has it's own twist on things, it's own "style" if you will. For example. HW's take on wooden coasters = VOYAGE! It's unique and a pretty awesome ride. I think a ride like Sooperdooperlooper (SDL) at HersheyPark would best suit Holiday World. Why do I say this? It's a simple concept, but unique. I think HW should have something no more than 100 feet tall, with a basic drop and loop. After the loop, I would like to see the remainder of the ride filled with medium-intense airtime and a finale helix. It would fit the "classic" personality that HW has, and I think it would honestly be something that a lot of families could go on."

 

You're not the only one who posted something similar to that- as I did the same.

 

If anything, HW is a family park- with family attractions (Save 'Voyage') where building a 'ginormous 29 inversion floorless launched woodie' would be a HUGE mistake- but rather: K.I.S.S.- Keep it simple and smart. (There's another acronym for that- I know). Loch Ness Monster, Tennessee Tornado (Scaled down, of course) and HersheyPark's sdL were at the top of my 'list' as well as some of the better small to medium class coasters out there. I keep seeing Intamin pop up- and as much as I like Intamin rides, I think they would have to scale back the intensity on them to truly create a smaller-scale ride.

 

(If Arrow were still around, and this was 1979, I'd have put them at the TOP of the list to do it!)

 

Of course, now that I think about it, I agree with Chuck as well. An S&S launch coaster like powder keg would fit perfectly. It seems thrilling but not too intense. Sometimes I wish Arrow was still around...

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Holiday World has sent us a press release regarding the recent passing of the long-time employee Frieda Foertsch.

 

The Holiday World family is mourning the loss of long-time employee and friend, Frieda Foertsch*, who passed away yesterday at an Evansville assisted living facility.

 

Foertsch, who retired from Holiday World in 2009 at the age of 98, began her long career at the park in 1954. Over the decades, Frieda worked in many departments, including admissions and foods; she even sewed Santa suits. In more recent years, she was known as the “flower lady” who saw to it that the park’s blooms were watered and weeded.

 

“Frieda was such a smart, strong woman,” says park matriarch Pat Koch. “Her devotion to the park and kind humor provided an inspiration to us all.”

 

Foertsch was born in Evansville in September of 1910 and moved to Spencer County in 1942. In the year 2000, she was named Indiana’s Outstanding Older Worker and was included in a “60 Minutes” segment about older workers.

 

“Frieda provided an incredible example for generations of young employees here,” says Koch. “Her work ethic and great pride in the look and feel of the park will never be forgotten. She planted far more than flowers here.”

 

Visitation and funeral arrangements for 100-year old Frieda Foertsch are pending.

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I can't resist chiming in with my usual opinion for HW's first true steel:

 

#1: A Maverick rip-off would be perfect. I'd even take a clone.

 

#2: I'd love to see a heavily themed super custom B&M inverted. Think Nemesis crossed with Raptor.

 

#3: I honestly think relocating Time Machine (Led Zepplin) is an excellent idea as well.

 

But HW always comes up with the unexpected, so I don't expect to see any of this come to fruition. It will be a super double secret surprise when it is finally revealed.

 

And as a final comment, Safari Sam's Splash Land is an amazing addition this year. Don't be fooled that it's kiddie. It's fun for everyone. My 3 year old loves it. My 6 year old loves it. My wife loves it. I love it. All 8 slides are awesome (and surprisingly fast) for all ages and add amazing capacity to the waterpark.

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^ Well, Emiroo, as nice as those choices sound there's a wrench that gets thrown into the gears. Maverick was $22 million and sadly, HW built their Thanksgiving section with a $14 million price tag over a couple of seasons due to running out of time and a bit over budget, so I would think a coaster less or around $12 Million would be more manageable for them—at least at this time.

 

The other problem is the B&M's have a 54" height restriction, so that eliminates a lot of smaller riders. I haven't been to the park in a few years, so I think the only ride with a restriction over 48" is the Liberty Launch.

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Maverick was not that awesome anyway. Something more like Stormrunner would be better. And I don't think they are polling enthusiasts without a budget for a decent custom steel. Stop underestimating this park.

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^I disagree with you about the Maverick vs. Stormrunner argument. If you look at Holiday World's existing thrilling coasters, none of the three are gimmicky and are complete and fairly long rides. Maverick is a complete ride whereas IMO Stormrunner is too short and would not fit in well at a place like Holiday World.

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Holiday World has sent us a press release regarding their upcoming feature on Bert the Conqueror.

 

A world-wide audience will be able to tune in Wednesday to see the host of the wildly popular Travel Channel reality show “Bert the Conqueror” try to “conquer” two of the world’s top-ranked rides, both located at Holiday World & Splashin' Safari.

 

Comedian Bert Kreischer is an “everyman” who travels the country, conquering extreme rides, sports and unusual competitions. During his two-day visit to Holiday World & Splashin’ Safari last month, he attempted to “conquer” The Voyage roller coaster and Wildebeest water coaster, each voted the world’s top rides of their kind.

 

“We had a lot of laughs with Bert,” says Holiday World president Dan Koch. “And a lot of high-pitched screams, too. We can’t wait to see the show on Wednesday.”

 

According to show producers, Holiday World was the "most demanded" venue for Bert to feature in his show's second season. In addition to riding Voyage and Wildebeest, Bert visited with Santa Claus and rode a classic ride with the park’s matriarch, Pat Koch.

 

“Bert the Conqueror” airs Wednesday evenings on The Travel Channel, which is available in more than 94 million U.S. households. This week’s Holiday World episode airs at 9pm CDT (10pm ET/PT),

 

Holiday World & Splashin’ Safari are open daily for their 65th season. New this season are Rudolph’s Round-Up, a new children’s ride, plus Safari Sam’s SplashLand a water-play area for children featuring eight water slides. For more information about the parks, visit http://www.HolidayWorld.com or call 1-877-Go-Family.

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^I saw this episode and was disappointed that it didn't feature more Holiday World coverage. As I recall, they only featured two rides at Holiday World: the Voyage and Wildebeest. The rest of the show was spent on some silly snow inner tubing "contest".

 

Oh, and there was a brief flash of Craig Knor in Voyage's station.

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Yeah, I saw it as well - Voyage looks like an incredible ride. How is the 'triple down' tunnel in reality?

 

I was also surprised at how they only featured one Holiday World coaster and a water ride (which also seemed like a good ride). I completely skipped the final part of the show featuring the snow tubing.

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The triple down is a pretty amazing experience as it is in complete darkness, but imo it's not the best part of the ride. It catches you by suprise even when you're expecting it, but the air isn't that intense. The best momment of the ride is the air time over the hill coming out of the triple down's tunnel, it just feels like the ride drops out from under you.

 

*and my 2012 input: The only way I would be happy with any kind of steel at HW would be Intamin Mega-Lite*

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Voyage looks like an incredible ride. How is the 'triple down' tunnel in reality?

 

 

The triple down is about the only good thing left on this ride. It dropped to my least favorite coaster in the park after my visit this year. It's just too brutal and bordering on not being fun anymore. Sad too, cause it used to be in my top fifteen wood.

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^Glad someone agrees with me on that one. Voyage is by far my least favorite coaster at Holiday World, it's only good in the very front row...even then it's still brutal.

 

It's indeed sad, I remember riding it in 2006 and it was the most incredible wooden coaster Iv'e ever been on, it's now out of my top 25. Legend and Raven are 3586969x better coasters.

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Voyage looks like an incredible ride. How is the 'triple down' tunnel in reality?

 

 

The triple down is about the only good thing left on this ride. It dropped to my least favorite coaster in the park after my visit this year. It's just too brutal and bordering on not being fun anymore. Sad too, cause it used to be in my top fifteen wood.

 

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^Glad someone agrees with me on that one. Voyage is by far my least favorite coaster at Holiday World, it's only good in the very front row...even then it's still brutal.

 

It's indeed sad, I remember riding it in 2006 and it was the most incredible wooden coaster Iv'e ever been on, it's now out of my top 25. Legend and Raven are 3586969x better coasters.

 

and agreed. That thing was incredible it's opening year, but even when it was still smooth and re ride-able it was still a really intense coaster just due to the sheer size, speed and forces. Now that it has a few year of age on it it's pretty brutal, and almost impossible to re-ride. I really hope the timberliner trains make the ride experience more tolerable and return that thing t it's former state (if they ever get those things operational). I will give Holiday World credit though, if the voyage were at any Cedar Fair or Six Flags park they would probably would of trimmed the hell out of it after the first couple of seasons.

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Same for me. In spring 2009, I thought Voyage was great and ranked it my top ten. But in August 2010 it just wasn't much fun. I was shocked at how much more brutal it had become.

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Yeah, I still ran it as a top 10 because of the rides I got on it the first couple of years but it has slid.

 

On a side note you ever notice that every wooden coaster in the top 10 for height and drop is either a silky smooth sexy new intamin pre-fab or a brutal rough spine cruncher?

 

1. Son of Beast brutal

2. El Toro pre-fab

3. Colossus pre-fab

4. Voyage debatable but brutal

5. T-Express pre-fab

6. Boss never ridden it but I've never heard anyone rave about it's smoothness or about how great it is

7. American Eagle same as above

8. Beast eh, not awful but I believe it for the most part fits this trend

9. Hades brutal

10. Montezuma brutal

 

I'd be willing to bet if you kept going down the list of wooden coasters ranked by height you wouldn't start to see consistently smooth re-rideable coasters until you got around and under 100 ft. There may be an exceptionally smooth coaster over 100ft or an unusually rough coaster under 100 feet here and there but I think that wood as a material for coaster track has it's limitations and Voyage pushes WAY past it's limit.

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The thing about Holiday World is, I will be willing to bet they won't let Voyage slip. Large companies such as Six Flags and Cedar would trim the ride like crazy (as you stated) but Holiday World won't. They will do everything to keep Voyage as one of the best in the world and it's good they've been trying to fix some problems.

 

But right now, I'd take Beast over Voyage any day. It's okay though, I still LOVE Holiday World.

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I went to HW last year late July, and I had the exact opposite problem. It was possible that Voyage was just running well, but I thought it was actually the LEAST rough woodie there. The Legend in particular beat the ever living snot out of me (and my home park is KI, so I know all about rough woodies). Voyage was probably the second most intense ride I've been on (TTD is #1) but it didn't beat me up for whatever reason. I can definitely tell that if it got rough at all, it would be nearly unrideable.

 

Voyage is probably my #1 wood over the Beast (I really need to ride more woodies...). Definitely need to go back sooner rather than later, I really loved the park. And Bert the Conqueror reminded me how much I loved Wildebeest

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The triple down was the only part between the first drop and brakes that I found fun. The ride was just very brutal and unenjoyable, but hopefully the Timberliners will fix that when they are put into service. I can see why people like it so much when running well, but it was just horrible when I rode it. Although, it seems like Voyage hasn't been running up to its potential lately, so hopefully Holiday World, in addition to getting the Timberliners to work, also works on some retracking. The turnarounds were particularly brutal, so if those were fixed, the ride would already be far superior to how it was when I rode it.

 

As for their next coaster, if it really does end up being a steel coaster, I doubt it would be a mega-lite or any other Intamin coaster. I could see a euro-fighter, custom spinning coaster, or a custom X-car coaster being built though. If they decide to build some more rides instead, I could see Holiday World build a star flyer or splash battle.

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As for their next coaster, if it really does end up being a steel coaster, I doubt it would be a mega-lite or any other Intamin coaster. I could see a euro-fighter, custom spinning coaster, or a custom X-car coaster being built though. If they decide to build some more rides instead, I could see Holiday World build a star flyer or splash battle.

 

I don't see Intamin really in the running- but I could see them doing something truly spectacular from Zierer if Verbolten is a success at BGW. Mack is also a possibility (Picture a 'smaller' Blue Fire- but without the 'launch' but rather a chain lift. ) If Arrow was still around, a custom multi-looping coaster (Three or four inversions) would have fit the park perfectly.

 

The triple down isn't my favorite part of Voyage, either. Then again I'm weird (?) and especially liked the airtime on the first couple drops.

 

Nah, Laura- You're not weird for not liking the triple-down. It's not my favorite part, either. But then again, people call me weird, too...

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The triple down isn't my favorite part of Voyage, either. Then again I'm weird (?) and especially liked the airtime on the first couple drops.

 

Question - Is the triple down right after the brakes that goes underground? I don't remember much from when I rode the ride, and after watching the POV, I still don't know where the triple down is.

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The triple down isn't my favorite part of Voyage, either. Then again I'm weird (?) and especially liked the airtime on the first couple drops.

 

Question - Is the triple down right after the brakes that goes underground? I don't remember much from when I rode the ride, and after watching the POV, I still don't know where the triple down is.

 

Yes, that's the triple down. IMO its also the weakest part of the ride...no real airtime. My favorite part of the ride is the double down into the turnaround where it goes from the s-hill to the drop into the big turn...it's an insane quick pop.

 

I still think the problem with Voyage (and Hades, and Boardwalk Bullet) is the PTCs. Those big trains just can't handle the transitions the Gravity Group implemented into those designs. That's exactly why they are trying the Timberliners...

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^ Other than the 90 degree turn in the tunnel Hades really doesn't have that many overly aggressive transitions, but I agree the PTC's are probably a huge reason for the roughness on those 3 coasters. Look how much Gwazi was improved when they removed the PTC's. I really hope the Timberliners do the job but as of right now it's hard to tell because the only two sets in operation are on fairly small wooden coasters (Twister at Grona Lund and Wooden Warrir at Quassy). I cant wait to see how those trains operate on a full sized ride.

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