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What is the reliability of thunderbird? How often does it break down. Since its a b&m launched coaster, how does it compare to intamin ones or other lsm launched coasters or regular chain lift coasters?

 

I've been to the park over 10 times since Thunderbird has opened. The most it has been down on a day that I went was 15 minutes. There is only 2 times that I can recall it being down while I was there. So to answer your question it is way more reliable than any Intamin. It is on par with other B&Ms.

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They had a few problems last season when using the backup generators with either parts going out or them not giving the launch enough juice causing a rollback. I think it was only down one full day last year and I believe that was in early May. There were a couple of days it was down almost all day, but they got it open for the final few hours. They're using the flywheels this year and I don't think the ride has been down all year other than a few minor things that have been fixed relatively quickly. If you listen to the parks podcast, you know that Thunderbird hasn't had a single rollback so far this year. As far as I know, Thunderbird always operates with both trains. With all that considered, as the previous poster stated, it's on par with all other B&M coasters in terms of reliability.

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We're leaving on our epic midwest coaster trip tomorrow and will be at Holiday World on Monday, June 13th. Any tips for approaching the park? I've heard its best to go the the waterpark first, but the dry park is open one hour before. So we're thinking we hit coasters (how will the lines be?) until 11am and then go to the waterpark for Wildebeest and Mammoth (and might reride these two if the lines aren't terrible). After that we'll probably go back and ride the coasters some more. We plan on taking advantage of the free drinks. Stuff like where to sit on the rides is also appreciated

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We're leaving on our epic midwest coaster trip tomorrow and will be at Holiday World on Monday, June 13th. Any tips for approaching the park? I've heard its best to go the the waterpark first, but the dry park is open one hour before. So we're thinking we hit coasters (how will the lines be?) until 11am and then go to the waterpark for Wildebeest and Mammoth (and might reride these two if the lines aren't terrible). After that we'll probably go back and ride the coasters some more. We plan on taking advantage of the free drinks. Stuff like where to sit on the rides is also appreciated

 

Raven always has the longest line early in the morning since it's right by the entrance to the park, so if you want to hit the coasters first, start with Legend then make your way to Voyage and Thunderbird, and wait to hit Raven until after the water park opens. All the coaster wait times actually die down quite a bit once the water park opens, so if you're willing to wait a bit to ride them, you could also go straight to 4th of July at opening and ALL the flats there will be walk-ons. Get to the water park before rope drop and go STRAIGHT to Mammoth, as it consistently has the longest line in just about the whole park, then hit Wildebeest. From there the other slides never have terrible waits so feel free to go where you wish afterwards. Hope you have a great time!

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I've also heard Raven runs much better after it's warmed up, so we might wait to hit it until after we do the waterpark.

 

also the new legend seriously hauls, that youtube doubler thing really shows how much speed it keeps that it didn't before, it just keeps getting farther and farther ahead of the old one

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So I was snooping around Screamscape and somehow I think this went unnoticed by a lot of people..I know I missed it lol

 

2017 - New Attraction - Rumor - (4/22/16) A little birdie dropped off a message claiming that Holiday World is looking into adding yet another roller coaster to the park for the 2017 season. Of course after just opening Thunderbird last year and dropping $2 million on a major improvement project for Legend, this rumor makes me wonder if we might just be seeing a makeover to Voyage or Raven instead in 2017... but a new coaster is always a welcome addition.

 

Of course this is Screamscape, so take it with a grain of salt. If it were a huge addition, I think the teasing would have already started by this time.

 

For those of you who want to see a side by side POV of old Legend and new Legend, here ya go! Even if the first video starts before the second, notice how the new pov hits the break-run faster than the old POV.

 

http://youtubedoubler.com/?video1=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D_mNg3Jceg54&start1=43&video2=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D9spcFTH0LeQ&start2=13&authorName=

 

 

I've been curious as to why this is the only source of the rumor I've heard. I've not seen any discussion about it otherwise. So, unfortunately I'd say its not very likely for 2017. Also, thanks for that video link!

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I would be shocked if HW got another coaster next year, but they are an amazing park, that already does a lot of things people wouldn't expect, so you never know! I'm planing on returning next year, regardless, so any addition they make, coaster or otherwise, would just be icing on the cake!

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I think if a coaster was going to be added next year, we would have signs of that already. When Thunderbird was being added, we already saw markers and earth being moved by this time.

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As much as I'd love a coaster, I'm not totally sure it'd happen since Thunderbird was a massive investment only 2 years ago. And the timeline of previous additions also would prove that they like to take their time. But as someone said above, holiday world does some surprising things.

Anyway, just to get freak a few people out (I'm not totally sure if this is legit. It was just on my explore page on Instagram and I thought I should share).

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It's fake. That picture was pulled off of a 2010 trip report on here. All it took them to make up this rumor was a quick google image search.

I'm pretty disappointed that's not real honestly. I hate PTC trains on that ride. There's shuffling left and right and I feel that it could be an even more amazing ride with better trains.

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^If they haven't done so already, Holiday World should probably keep a sharp eye on Ghostrider's performance this year, as that could potentially be a great solution for Voyage. All new track, minor reprofiling, and millennium flyers, or even PTC-360s.

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^If they haven't done so already, Holiday World should probably keep a sharp eye on Ghostrider's performance this year, as that could potentially be a great solution for Voyage. All new track, minor reprofiling, and millennium flyers, or even PTC-360s.

 

I found voyage to be smooth as crap this season?

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^ We're still early in the season. Voyage is notorious for not running very well when it gets to the middle/late July. Don't get me wrong, HW has done a very good job the last few years of getting the ride running great at the beginning of the year. He was talking about a more long term solution that keeps the ride running great all year.

 

Personally, I just can't see GCI touching Voyage. I think it's just a tad bit out of their comfort zone. I keep saying this, but Voyage means a lot to the park. Will Koch is listed as one of the designers and think they want to keep the layout as original as possible. I think all signs eventually point to RMC. Voyage is one of those special cases where I don't they can't I-box it because there is no way to modify the layout to shorten it (which would have to happen with the nylon/polyurethane wheels?). I think it has to have topper track and it's gonna need steel wheels. If this is possible, I think the best solution is to convert it to a topper track woodie with new RMC trains using steel wheels. I also think they'll have to modify the airtime hills to make them more extreme due to the fact that RMC trains are more restrictive than PTC's (which the ride was designed to run with), therefore the airtime won't be the same if it's just the same layout. This would allow the park to keep it as a wooden coaster, which seems to be very important to them and it will also keep it running great for a long time.

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RMC has stated in an interview (I have no idea specifically which one but it's legit lol) that they are no longer doing topper track refurbs because they are too busy with larger projects. That could potentially change in the future as they increase project capacity but I'd be inclined to believe they'd just take on more large projects (custom/iron horse/t rex) than retracks.

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^ Well I think my solution would definitely qualify as a big project. That's 6000 feet of topper track we're talking about and it would essentially be the same thing as an I-Box conversion project, as they would probably have to replace all the ledgers and make modifications to the structure.

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^ Well I think my solution would definitely qualify as a big project. That's 6000 feet of topper track we're talking about and it would essentially be the same thing as an I-Box conversion project, as they would probably have to replace all the ledgers and make modifications to the structure.

Agreed. I just don't see HW doing any kind of changing of the layout, maybe not even any reprofiling. It'd be amazing if they could get topper track out to Voyage because I absolutely love this ride but as you said, it gets VERY rough later on in the season.

 

GCI, I think, is out of the picture. They have yet to really create anything even close to Voyage. But who knows, maybe they'd be willing to at least work on something that large. They obviously did an amazing job with Legend, but I'm afraid a refurb like that wouldn't last all too long because of how large and extreme Voyage is, if they were even willing to do anything to it.

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RMC has stated in an interview (I have no idea specifically which one but it's legit lol) that they are no longer doing topper track refurbs because they are too busy with larger projects. That could potentially change in the future as they increase project capacity but I'd be inclined to believe they'd just take on more large projects (custom/iron horse/t rex) than retracks.

 

Interesting. I could still see them wanting to take a crack at one of the world's best wooden roller coasters, though. Either way, my guess is that ten years from now we'll still be hearing half praises and half complaining about how rough Voyage is.

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Don't forget that there is another company out there in the Industry that does wood coaster refurbishments, and apparently did a pretty good job recently with a ride that was once great but had grown rough over the years....

 

And with RMC, it wouldn't surprise me if they got out of the conversion business in the near future once they start producing those all steel T-Rex/Raptor track rides. No idea what their business is like internally or what kind of profit they make on those conversion but you would think they would be more interested in new rides than conversions.

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Depending on how aggressively they're interested in expanding, it can still be highly profitable and rewarding to keep business interests in both new coaster designs and refurbishment.

 

Don't forget that there is another company out there in the Industry that does wood coaster refurbishments, and apparently did a pretty good job recently with a ride that was once great but had grown rough over the years....

 

Absolutely. I just can't help but to be concerned that longevity will still be an issue, even if it's a lesser issue.

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Sorry I didn't get any pics of it, I didn't have a phone charger on me in the park today and it died , I'll try to next time if someone hasn't already by that time. But anyway, I was going up to Jungle Racers when I heard sounds of construction. Climbing up the first flight, if you look straight out ahead, there's a fair sized clearing of trees in the middle of the woods. It's currently about the size of what Hallowswings would take up. However, they just recently started, I know, because I was there last week and there was nothing going on there.

Anyway, I think it'll be a water park attraction. Either that or maybe the screamscape new coaster rumor is true. They started in a very odd spot, in my opinion; in the middle of the woods. But they may be just starting there in an attempt to hide it. Anyway, just thought I'd share so let the speculation/madness begin

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