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Holiday World posted a clue as to next year's theme in their HWN Facebook group... I couldn't pass up the opportunity...

So, I think i'm going to burst my HWN cherry next year and finally take the trip (before I get too old).  I've never did a several day coaster event so I have no idea what to expect.  I've also never

My tips are that you really don’t need two full days in the park if they’re running rides at full capacity, but they probably won’t be next year in time for the event given the vaccine schedule.

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Wow! I had never seen it before. I came across it while reading about the Santa Claus Museum. This is a version of their 10 year master plan a few years ago. I know a lot of things have changed since then, and they are working with a different company now, but this was still very interesting.

I can't stop looking at this! Some of the things I see: Lots of amazing Christmas theming! A very cool building across from Kringle's Cafe. Looks like some kind of circus tent with a ferris wheel by Holidog's Fun Town. A pioneer village with a covered bridge. I think I see Thuderbird was going to be in a location right next to the Voyage. Extending the Splashin Safari entrance (which they have done part of). A second lazy river. Possibly a small wooden coaster in Thanksgiving? The employee lot moved across the road. I think it shows a building covering the area of the Sparkler, carousel, and basketball game. The old fashion cars are gone or moved.

 

http://www.u-studios.net/holiday-world.php

 

I know these things are just ideas and what actually happens could have changes, and might be totally different. But still very cool and exciting.

 

Holiwood Nights has a Ferris Bueller theme. Is that a clue of a FERRIS wheel?

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When I was scouring the town of Santa Claus's website a while back, I noticed something that kinda made me raise an eyebrow, but now it makes sense. When I was looking at the town board APA group minutes for May of 2014, which is when they got the approval to start the footings for Thunderbird, I noticed that it said that the project (they never said what they were building) was an altercation to the masterplan presented to board previously.

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I love the idea of a lazy river people mover. I thought about a possible lazy river people mover up to Hyena Falls over the summer because it is such a long walk. I thought Hyena Falls might be too far away to extend the current lazy river, and the lazy river would have to go up a slight incline. But I am sure they could make it work if they wanted to. They might make a second lazy river near hyena falls. The walk to Hyena Falls seems far, but if they add more things around it, it wouldn't be so bad. The way the bathrooms are situated, it seems like they are planning on adding something on the other side. I know the kid's bumper boats were going to go there, but not sure if that was delayed or canceled. I have a 2014 map that shows them being there.

 

When I was in Santa Claus a few weeks ago I looked at the area by Holidog's Fun Town. This was way before I had found the link I posted yesterday, I had just seen something on the Spencer county GIS that put my attention on the area. There was some evidence of work going on in that area, but it could have just been maintenance. It was basically just a pile of gravel, and a small machine to spread it out. Were they using the gravel to maintain the current service road, or were they building a new road, or something else? I don't know. I took pictures, but they are not that interesting. I was so distracted by Holiday World, I forgot to look at what was going on across the street.

 

I went by Holiday World again last week and they had gone through one of the piles of wood in the parking lot. After I drove by, I went to Santa's Candy Castle. After leaving the Candy Castle, I drove around the back side of Holiday World, but it was too dark to see anything at that point. I doubt I will be driving through Santa Claus again before next season. Can't wait for them to give more info on what they are up to!

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From the article:

Which direction was Will moving before he died? The answer they found was in their father’s dream of a steel coaster, and “we all agreed beforehand a wing coaster was the way to go—that was probably what Dad had been waiting for without even knowing it,” Leah says, due to its ability to mimic the smooth, graceful movements of a hang glider.

 

Bless their hearts for going with the Wing Coaster rather than a Flyer.

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From the article:

Which direction was Will moving before he died? The answer they found was in their father’s dream of a steel coaster, and “we all agreed beforehand a wing coaster was the way to go—that was probably what Dad had been waiting for without even knowing it,” Leah says, due to its ability to mimic the smooth, graceful movements of a hang glider.

 

Bless their hearts for going with the Wing Coaster rather than a Flyer.

But just imagine thunderbird's launch in the Flying position, into a pretzel loop.

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From the article:

Which direction was Will moving before he died? The answer they found was in their father’s dream of a steel coaster, and “we all agreed beforehand a wing coaster was the way to go—that was probably what Dad had been waiting for without even knowing it,” Leah says, due to its ability to mimic the smooth, graceful movements of a hang glider.

 

Bless their hearts for going with the Wing Coaster rather than a Flyer.

But just imagine thunderbird's launch in the Flying position, into a pretzel loop.

I am. I get the feeling that it might suck if you're a dude (the launch).

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^While a flying coaster could be amazing, I am really happy that they chose a wing coaster. First, I think that it is much more "family friendly" (even if it's just less scary looking to younger riders). Second, wing coasters provide a much larger feeling of freedom in terms of their restraints and views. Besides, that ending through-the-barn element is really cool.

 

Now because this is a coaster enthusiast site, so that means we always know what's best for a park...

I think a kiddie/family coaster would be something fantastic to add. It could replace the Howler or be in addition to it. What kind of kiddie/family coaster do you think would be best for the park? I really think they could do well with almost any type, but I would either like to see something like Firechaser Express (even if it's a smaller version of the ride) or one of the new inverted Vekoma family coasters.

 

Finally, I was unfortunately unable to make it to the park this year (I live in the Catch 22 of getting to go to HW for free because of my job but also having to work so much for my job that I don't get time to actually go), so I had a general question: How was HWN this year compared to years in the past. I'm sure it was a great event as always, but I didn't know if there were a lot more attendees. Piggybacking off of that...I've spent a lot of money on different live/silent auction items in the past few years (I just can't help myself). Some of my purchases are basically commemorative and designed to be hung on a wall, but most are not. Have any of you found clever things to do with your auction items? Here's what I've done:

 

1. Old tire from the Lewis & Clark Trail - Turned it into a picture frame with a bunch of smaller (some cut down a bit) pictures from our HW trips in the past. A frame store did it real nice with a high quality matte and even doing a 3D effect when mounting the photos.

2. Test Dummy Thigh - I got it signed by a lot of the iconic HW management, as well as some of the coaster cats. Because it has two holes in it, I was able to make a mount to hang it on a wall fairly easily. It's definitely a conversation piece!

3. A seat back and a few cut out numbers & the Wildebeest name from one of the rafts - The seat back worked great in college for sitting up and studying in bed, but I can't figure out what to do with the numbers/name cut outs. Any suggestions?

4. A damaged 'running board' from a Voyage car - I'm really trying to figure out how to best use this one. I could always just mount it on the wall, but I was trying to find at least a couple other cool options first.

 

With all of this stuff being in places around my dad's house, he wants me to find a good place for the Voyage piece before I can bring any other big theme park pieces in (which was one of the terms of our agreement when he reluctantly said I could keep one of the old boats from SFSL's Scooby-Doo dark ride in our garage). What do you guys think?

 

EDIT: Looking back, that was a lot of random stuff and questions in one post, so I apologize for the constant subject changes.

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Still betting on the Voyage getting the Hades Barrel Roll.

 

If the new element is something to do with the track itself, then it has to be happening to the Legend. That's where all the activity is. I doubt it'll be anything that extensive. That would require all new trains and everything. Just my opinion.

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If you check the projects page on PTC's website, you'll see that Voyage has its current cars at the shop for refurb, so it's unlikely we'll see any layout changes to it (or a new set of PTCI-360s. I'm still convinced they would be great for Voyage). I've been checking the webcams pretty often, and I haven't seen a single bit of work done on Legend since the track on the first drop was ripped out. Whatever is being done doesn't seem to be quite as extensive as the teaser might have implied, but then again there's still 4 months until the season starts so I could be wrong. Still curious as to what that "new element" is.

 

Also, Paula hinted in a Facebook comment that we could be seeing what's new for 2016 tomorrow, so keep an eye out.

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For a family coaster I could see HW repair their relationship with gravity group by getting a small roar o saurus type small woodie. That's a perfect fit in my opinion

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I seriously seriously doubt we will see any completely new coasters of any type this year. I'd bet $100 on it. Heck, I'd bet my entire life savings. Now a rework of an existing coaster I could see. The thing with trying to spot what's going on on the webcam is that The Voyage is do friggen long that the work could be in a place that the webcam can't see. And all three are so much build into the woodland that there are good portions of each of the coasters we can't see unless we were in the park ourselves due to the tree cover. It may be a smaller change than what we thought, but I imagine it's large enough to get more than a few of us excited for spring!

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After thinking about what they might be doing, this is my prediction:

 

While I was looking at the video, I kept thinking why the hell would they be stripping down The Legend's trains to freshen them up? PTC just did a rehab on both trains last year. Then they posted the reverse POV of The Legend, which was a bit curious. Then they stripped the drop of the track which would probably be one of the rougher parts, if they were to run the trains backwards in terms of forces exerted on the riders. So I guess what I'm getting at is that I think they're going to be running The Legend Backwards this upcoming season. I didn't think they would do it in a million years, but Six Flags is having a good amount of success with the whole backwards thing. It is a inexpensive way to draw people in especially after coming off a year where you spent 22 million on a single project and the two of the parks surrounding you are adding new coasters.

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I can only imagine how crazy Legend backwards would be. I almost shudder at the thought to be honest, but then again if they're doing a bunch of trackwork maybe I wouldn't need to worry. Wouldn't Holiday World need to put headrests on the Legend trains though in order to make them go backwards?

 

Also, in my excitement of the Facebook comment discovery, I might have misread the comment, and what's coming tomorrow actually might just be a CLUE as opposed to the real announcement. We'll see.

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I had been thinking about the possibility of them running The Legend backwards next season, but decided that would be way too obvious. Not long after I had thought about the possibility, they posted a video of The Legend backwards. I think they posted the video to throw us off, and also because it is a cool video. I noticed they have a video of a rear facing view of The Voyage and Thunderbird on their youtube account too.

 

If they are going to extend the Splashin Safari entrance more, then they might be working near the part of The Legend that goes near Splashin Safari. The Legend also goes extremely close to the campground, so the might change something in that section. It goes right behind The Legend cabins, would a tunnel there make it less noisy for campers? Also, at least 3 of the slides in Splashin Safari, plus Frightful Falls are kind of weaved into The Legend, so they might be changing something about that. Those slides seem kind of wedged back in the corner now that Splashin Safari is being expanded, so maybe they will get moved or taken out, and changes made to The Legend related to that.

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I think they could move the legends drop further away because in that ten year design plan it looks like the red line is a train that goes from Halloween to thanksgiving and it goes between legend and frightful falls a and they are making room to fit it through there.

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Legend, as it now terrifies me as a backwards coaster. The ride is already hard on your body because of all the lateral Gs so going backwards through those parts would probably make it worse because you wouldn't be able to anticipate those turns quite as well.

 

That being said, if they were to renovate those turns to make the lateral forces less "destructive" and make the overall ride smoother than I can totally jump on the backwards train idea and I can totally see Holiday World doing it especially since, like another commenter said, Six Flags has seen a great deal of success with the backwards trains.

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