Wes Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 ^ Wow, this whole thing just seems messy. Hopefully it doesn't have any negative effect on the future plans for the parks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jew Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 Just based on the articles, it really seems like Dan Koch is looking to cash in on the park. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koasterking48 Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 I've really tried to keep up with these legal issues, but like Wes said, it's just a big mess. I don't really see any future plans being affected/cancelled due to these problems, however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HWFan Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 Just based on the articles, it really seems like Dan Koch is looking to cash in on the park. Â Dan really cares about the park. He has said in articles that he wants his kids and Will's kids to run it one day. Â Also, when it comes to the park's future. Dan has pretty much told me that it won't be very much affected by who is technically in charge. Both parties have the park's best interests in mind. Instead of picking sides, a wise woman told me it's better to just be "Team Holiday World." This hiccup will not stop the park from blossoming where it will be the best park combo in the country for the price in 10 to 15 years. It's future is definitely bright. Â Now....let's talk about what kind of steel coaster we want HW to add in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeroGravity55 Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 At this point, I really don't care if it's Dan or Lori running the park. I just want them to resolve the issue so we can all stop talking about it and get Mrs. Koch back into a more public role in the park. I've really missed seeing her greeting guest this season as you walked into the park. Â Now....let's talk about what kind of steel coaster we want HW to add in the future. Â Everybody wants to see a Intamin Mega-Lite, but I would prefer to see a custom design. I'm really intrigued by what MACK might be able to give HW. A family launched coaster like Cheetah Hunt (which I know is Intamin) with a couple of inversions would really fit the park well. If the park goes with MACK, that means no over the shoulder restraints, plus a couple of really cool side features. Since HW likes to set a few world records along the way, I could see them going for the world's longest launched coaster or something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jew Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 ^^He cared about it so much he had a law practice in Florida until tragedy brought him back to the park? Â Waiting until nearly the last day to submit his lower offer allegedly against the purchase agreement reeks of a "I'm going to try to use my lawyer smarts to pull a fast one on them" move. Â Family feuds rarely end well for the family members or the business: http://www.boston.com/business/gallery/familyfeuds?pg=11 Â And that's just a slideshow of Boston area businesses. I think a more notable one would be how bad the 49er's were until recently while that family feud played out and subsequently hurt the franchise... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeroGravity55 Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 Here's an article that kind of explains the ownership history of the park and details about how the family feud started. http://newsandtribune.com/local/x6224479/Family-feud-rattles-Holiday-World  I will say this, no matter what, Dan will still own at least 40% of the corporation and park. They'll eventually have to settle things.  He cared about it so much he had a law practice in Florida until tragedy brought him back to the park?  I don't know what Dan's personal interest are right now, but he did play a behind the scenes role with park before Will died. He's said that him and Will would talk about the park and the parks future daily. He said one of the last conversations he had with Will, played into the descion to build Mammoth. Here's a Holiblog from 2009 With Will, Dan, Lori, and Mrs. Koch at IAAPA. Obviously,these were much better times for the family and the park. http://www.holidayworld.com/holiblog/family-rides-together Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HWFan Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 ^ Ha. I have a screenshot of that blog entry because of how ironic it is (like the one called "Dan gets the Boot"). Â There's even some of Dan's youtube videos still set on private even though most were put back on public. Â When it comes to Pat, I talked to her after mass after Holiwood Nights. She's taking it really hard. She was really happy to hear that the silent auction was still to benefit her museum. She's not going to be back unless Dan is back. She said she's sticking with her kids as any mom would do. Â She's the main reason I want Dan back. I really don't care between him and Lori. I just want Pat back. She really misses the park. She wants to be back. For me, that's all I want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeroGravity55 Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 ^I remembered that photo as soon as Dan got fired and the whole story came out. I found it really ironic how a death and money can really change things in just a short couple of years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeroGravity55 Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 (edited) So I was rummaging through some old family photo books and came across some retro photos of Firecracker, Holiday World's *second steel coaster! I believe these photos were taken around 1994, which was the year I was born. I believe this coaster was replaced by Holidog Fun Town. Can anyone guess what sits behind this ride today? Edited August 15, 2013 by ZeroGravity55 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven Maven Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 ^ The first? Are you sure? What about this gem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeroGravity55 Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 ^ Lol I guess it's the first one I can remember! Â I never knew there was a kiddie coaster at Santa Claus Land. Looks like it had some airtime! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moose Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 (edited) Does anyone recall why their second steel coaster was removed? Â Edit, just watched the video, forget the other steel coasters, why did the get rid of the dancing chicken? Â Paula, thanks for that video! Edited August 15, 2013 by Moose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeroGravity55 Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 Does anyone recall why their second steel coaster was removed? Â I really have no idea why it was removed. It was removed in 1997, but Holidog Fun Town wasn't added until 1999. I'm assuming it had something to do with maintenance. The ride was nearly 20 years old when it was removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven Maven Posted August 15, 2013 Share Posted August 15, 2013 why did the get rid of the dancing chicken? Â Um. We were hungry? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeykaise Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 (edited) http://www.holidayworld.com/holiblog/voyage-train-update  Well this just sucks! No Timberliners for HW at all.... I wanna cry now. Edited August 17, 2013 by robbalvey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeroGravity55 Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 To be quite honest, after hearing all the reports on Hades 360, I kind of expected this. Â Edit: I also have to wonder if this is where RMC enters the picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodie Warrior Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 I think this was coming. Obviously these trains should only be put on already smooth coasters that need new trains. And those are kind of hard to find. You either have a really rough ride with an uncomfortable train (like the Boss at SFSTL) or a smooth ride with a great train (like American Thunder at SFSTL or Outlaw Run at SDC). Â I really hope Holiday World decides to have RMC add Topper Track and RMC's new trains (I think they're called Gen 1 or something?). They don't even need to add any inversions. Just making the ride smooth would be awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeroGravity55 Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 You know I can't even begin to think of all the money the park has wasted on these trains. Not just the trains themselves, but the extra costs for testing and the extra wear and tear they may have put on the track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koasterking48 Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 Well, I knew it was going to eventually fall through with all the problems, but I tried to stay optimistic. At least they maintain the track and not let the PTC's rip it up. Hopefully they will look into RMC topper track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeroGravity55 Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 ^ Funny thing is, the last few years, nobody would even consider that a possibility because of the parks relationship with TGG. Now you have to wonder if this is a real possibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFOGdude25 Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 Well this is disappointing, but somehow I'm not surprised. However, The Voyage as it is still runs pretty well considering all the work that has gone into it. It will still always be my favorite woodie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 Someone should go through this thread and dig up all the fanboy comments saying the trains would definitely make it on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jray21 Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 Looks like Flying Turns now has a good chance to win the 'who will open first' contest! That is, of course, if they actually get their ride open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeroGravity55 Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 (edited) You have to think that HW has been following the Timberliners on Hades 360. The whole goal with this project was to make the Voyage re-rideable and it's very evident from all the reports from Hades 360, that it's not re-rideable or rideable at all. If the trains can't make the coaster re-rideable, it doesn't make sense for the park to continue with the project. Â I think they should now focus their money on permanently fixing the Voyage with RMC track and trains. Edited August 17, 2013 by ZeroGravity55 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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