Garet Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 10 hours ago, SharkTums said: I love all the people that are blaming Intamin for this. Like, the ride is 16 years old, Intamin hasn't touched it in quite a while. And conveniently don't mention T-Express since it doesn't fit the narrative: A roller-coaster in one of the worlds busiest parks and one of only 2 coasters there in a 12 hours open, 365 day park. Throw in the structure has to endure 35C humid summers and -20C winter. Also, it isn't Six Flags, so those 2 trains are constantly dispatching as soon as they're back to the station 10:30am-8:30pm. The rides/parks guidelines prevent it running when it's too cold so the park usually announces a months maintenance every January when the temperature won't hit the minimum for running but apart from that I can't remember ever seeing the ride down for unexpected maintenance. I know it's the newest but I wouldn't be surprised if it's total cycles is higher than the other 3 Intamin Plug N Plays so Everland must be doing something different. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coasterbill Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 I'm going to be cautiously optimistic that they'll fix it. I 100% expect them to do the bare minimum though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KBrylczyk Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 Alright, I'll be that guy. RMC it! Edit -For clarity's sake, I'm not serious, but someone has to say it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thrillseeker4552 Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 ^Ya know, if they lay RMC hybrid track but keep the layout identical, and do the necessary structural repairs, I certainly wouldn't mind that at all. Not sure how plausible that is though and if it's the same track gauge/rail size as the Intamin Pre-Fab track. I am in the "RMC it, but don't you dare touch the layout" camp! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricklap77 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 For sure calling in Intamin for new pre fab track would be really expensive. RMC is also an expansive option but if they decide to go with them I am pretty sure thay will modify the layout to include inversions and market it as a new coaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grsupercity Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 toro malvado please no rmc lol. Have Intamin come in and fix it. You can only cut maintenance so much before stuff like this starts to happen. I hate reading comments online of people blaming Intamin when it was accident free since 2006 until last year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarmor Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 Correct me if I am wrong but wasn't the major selling point of the Intamin pre-fab coaster was that it needed less maintenance vs a traditional wooden coaster? How are the other pre-fab coasters holding up? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJLehto Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 oof. Yeah not good. I have no doubt they will fix it and reopen it but this will not be a quick/easy fix. 3 hours ago, jarmor said: Correct me if I am wrong but wasn't the major selling point of the Intamin pre-fab coaster was that it needed less maintenance vs a traditional wooden coaster? How are the other pre-fab coasters holding up? This is a very good point, and I am curious about that as well. Six Flags already has its reputation (imo fully justified) and if it turns out others are doing well, would certainly have to point the finger at SF and their famous lack of giving any shit. But yeah deff not good. Heh...RMC an Intamin, tbh I'd be pretty cool with it. This is of course understandable but El Toro has become quite rough and while its layout is good, (through no fault of its own) I think its suffered from age, in that newer rides are better and do more etc Keep the ride mostly as is but smoother, more hills and esp more elements....would be a helluva ride!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmyUD06 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 3 hours ago, jarmor said: Correct me if I am wrong but wasn't the major selling point of the Intamin pre-fab coaster was that it needed less maintenance vs a traditional wooden coaster? How are the other pre-fab coasters holding up? Colossos in Germany was closed for almost 3 full years (2016 to 2019) for "extensive refurb," but that''s the only issue that I could find. It was also the first installation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarmor Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 ^ Hummm, so after about 17 years it went through an extensive refurb. El Toro is upon it's 17th year and has been having structural issues. Could it be a "thing"? We all know traditional wooden coaster track is always getting replaced considered in the budget for maintenance and overall price of the coaster). I wonder how well the other 2 coasters are taken care of because you don't hear much about them or it's riding condition. Which begs the question, why was intamin only able to off load 4 of these things? I would think less upkeep would be a selling point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rai Fox Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 IIRC, didn't Colossos need major work because of a termite infestation? I'm pretty sure I've heard that several places. If that's the case, it's not really on the designer or manufacturer there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boldikus Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 This board used to be filled with people who didn't post absolute bullshit on here as if its fact. Termites? You have google, son. Maybe just search for something. If you recall correctly? You are "pretty sure" you heard that in "several places"? You wanna cough up any kind of source to back that up? Anything? Yes, Colossus was shut down for 3 years to have its track replaced, but there is literally nothing online about the track being infested with termites. Come the fuck on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prozach626 Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 3 hours ago, boldikus said: This board used to be filled with people who didn't post absolute bullshit on here as if its fact. The world used to be filled with people who didn't post absolute bullshit as if it's fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill_s Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 World seems a little too full of people ready to jump down someone's throat to me. "Fact" did have a question mark at the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norwegian coasterfan Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 13 hours ago, AmyUD06 said: Colossos in Germany was closed for almost 3 full years (2016 to 2019) for "extensive refurb," but that''s the only issue that I could find. It was also the first installation. Balder at Liseberg have been closed this year for a full track replacement and that’s the second installation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricklap77 Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 Any wooden coaster requires a lot of maintenance. Boards are replaced on a regular basis. Retracking needs to be done quite often. Maintenance is very critical, first for safety and second for the quality of the ride. Large woodies are no exception, especially when they have an aggressive design like El Toro. Intamin did a fabulous job. Those pre fab woodies are wonderful, very well designed and thrilling. The issue here is mostly just proper maintenace not addressed. Maintenance wise you cannot overlook anything on roller coasters. The park knew something was not right and let it go. 2 major malfunctions in a short period of time. Thankfully no one was badly hurt from those incidents but the fate of El Toro is in limbo. With the state of NJ investigating and Six Flags cutting their budget accross the chain it could be enough for the coaster to be torn down or stay dormant for a while. Hopefully it will not have the same fate as Son of Beast, although personally I don't think so in that SOB was badly designed and El Toro not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boldikus Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 1 hour ago, ricklap77 said: Any wooden coaster requires a lot of maintenance. Boards are replaced on a regular basis. Retracking needs to be done quite often. Maintenance is very critical, first for safety and second for the quality of the ride. Large woodies are no exception, especially when they have an aggressive design like El Toro. Intamin did a fabulous job. Those pre fab woodies are wonderful, very well designed and thrilling. The issue here is mostly just proper maintenace not addressed. Maintenance wise you cannot overlook anything on roller coasters. The park knew something was not right and let it go. 2 major malfunctions in a short period of time. Thankfully no one was badly hurt from those incidents but the fate of El Toro is in limbo. With the state of NJ investigating and Six Flags cutting their budget accross the chain it could be enough for the coaster to be torn down or stay dormant for a while. Hopefully it will not have the same fate as Son of Beast, although personally I don't think so in that SOB was badly designed and El Toro not. Are you really making the claim that the park knew the ride was structurally compromised yet ran it with riders anyway? We're really doing that? Please, PLEASE let us know how you are so sure about that. I'm not talking about what you THINK happened behind the scenes, I want to know how YOU KNOW that is what happened. And before anyone comes at me thinking I'm rushing to Six Flags and/or Intamins defense for anything at all related to this - I'm just allergic to bullshit and the people who spew it. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarmor Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 Yeah, not sure what richland is talking about. But since seeing the second installment of the pre-fab coaster is getting a full rehab, is it safe to say these coasters have a shelf life of about 15-20 years? I say that's pretty good as most wooden coasters continually have to have sections and track replaced ever so often. But still. I wonder if that's a written thing or just something determined by ride cycles or what. Hopefully SFGadv follows suit and just rehab the coaster and make it anew. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boldikus Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 The park has released a statement that they intend to reopen the ride after repairs and inspections, in time for the 2023 season. Let's please stop with the "CEO doesnt want to spend money" / "chain is broke" / "the future of this ride is in doubt" nonsense, please and thanks. Quote "A careful and deliberate review of the entire ride indicates the primary and backup safety systems of the ride ensured the train completed its ride cycle safely,"Gabriel Darretta, a Six Flags Great Adventure spokesman, said Thursday. "Experts discovered a section of the ride sub-structure that requires repair. The ride will remain closed to complete the review and make necessary repairs." "Prior to re-opening, which is expected in time for the 2023 season, the ride will be inspected again, including evaluations by the state of New Jersey and certified, independent ride safety experts," Darretta said. "Once approved by our engineers, maintenance, and operations professionals, the ride will re-open," he said. https://patch.com/new-jersey/brick/2023-el-toro-reopening-planned-six-flags-great-adventure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricklap77 Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 That's good news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coasterbill Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 Annual passes are gone again and season passes are back. They now have more new names. These are season passes instead of annual passes/memberships--Instead of expiring 12 months from date of purchase, Gold expires on Labor Day 2023, but Platinum and Diamond expire 1//2/2024. This is for Great Adventure. Other parks are probably different for maximum confusion. This brings the number of annual pass types currently outstanding to 34. Source 2 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Maier Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 7 hours ago, coasterbill said: Annual passes are gone again and season passes are back. They now have more new names. These are season passes instead of annual passes/memberships--Instead of expiring 12 months from date of purchase, Gold expires on Labor Day 2023, but Platinum and Diamond expire 1//2/2024. This is for Great Adventure. Other parks are probably different for maximum confusion. This brings the number of annual pass types currently outstanding to 34. Source Is this one of those Selim ideas or just GADv management ideas? Meanwhile, I'm just sitting (not so) pretty with my legacy Diamond Elite membership I bought in 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tndank Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 Great Adventure seems to be the first park that gets all the changes. No idea why. Seems like it's been this way since he took over. First to originally kill memberships, remove dining options, offer new passes over and over, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coasternut Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 ^^ Magic Mountain in LA has the same thing. I'm guessing it chain wide. Bassoul the fool... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coasterbill Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 Yeah, something like this is going to be chain-wide because other parks have to be able to scan it and apply it's nonsensical benefits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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