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I swear I'm a giant jinx for this park when I go outside of HITP. I was there in 2019 the day after Wonder Woman tried removing itself from the ground. I was there the day last year when the Log Flume crashed. Then a couple days before El Toro derailed and now it happened again.

I don't understand how this keeps happening to El Toro. Hope this doesn't force some major changes to the ride experience.

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There seems to be track inspections taking place at the bottom of the rolling thunder hill.

https://6abc.com/six-flags-great-adventure-jackson-township-nj-el-toro-roller-coaster-new-jersey/12166526/

This doesn't sound like another derailment, this sounds like a pothole that caused back injuries/people biting their tongues/lips etc.

No bueno, nonetheless.

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1 minute ago, boldikus said:

This doesn't sound like another derailment, this sounds like a pothole that caused back injuries/people biting their tongues/lips etc.

No bueno, nonetheless.

I did notice that it was a bit of a rough landing coming off that hill (both my rides Tuesday were in the back row) but nothing this extreme. 

If there was some warping in that part of the ride then I don't know how they missed it if they had to carefully inspect the whole coaster for damage after the derailment.

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5 minutes ago, boldikus said:

There seems to be track inspections taking place at the bottom of the rolling thunder hill.

https://6abc.com/six-flags-great-adventure-jackson-township-nj-el-toro-roller-coaster-new-jersey/12166526/

This doesn't sound like another derailment, this sounds like a pothole that caused back injuries/people biting their tongues/lips etc.

No bueno, nonetheless.

I wonder if this will force great adventure to get replacement track through intamin instead of building it in house

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There are conflicting reports that the train jerked forward as riders were exiting, but no first hand accounts of that. This was posted in the Great Adv Conn group on FB:

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15 minutes ago, Zand said:

I swear I'm a giant jinx for this park when I go outside of HITP. I was there in 2019 the day after Wonder Woman tried removing itself from the ground. I was there the day last year when the Log Flume crashed. Then a couple days before El Toro derailed and now it happened again.

I don't understand how this keeps happening to El Toro. Hope this doesn't force some major changes to the ride experience.

Seems six flags doesn’t want to pay to properly maintain an intamin. They build their own replacement track segments to save cost (according to el toro Ryan’s video on it)

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That sucks for those injured.

Guess it's time to replace the cable lift with something else.  That'll work to fix TTD, right?

That second line is total sarcasm, obviously.

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Pretty bad for El Toro. 2 structural incidents in a short period of time.  El Toro is an awesome and forceful  wooden coaster, one of the best if not the best in the world IMO.  If SF doesn't take good care of it I don't see a long future for it at the park.

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As someone who thinks El Toro is still super smooth for a woodie, I have to admit the bottom of the rolling Thunder hill has gotten absolutely brutal. My last ride was in the very back row last Saturday and you could hear the train almost bottom out at the bottom of that hill.

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11 hours ago, terdferg said:

Seems six flags doesn’t want to pay to properly maintain an intamin. They build their own replacement track segments to save cost (according to el toro Ryan’s video on it)

Intamin doesn't build the track for it. That may actually be part of the problem. Who knows what kind of lead time they were required to have by Cordes Holzbau for getting new track pieces built?

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36 minutes ago, DirkFunk said:

Intamin doesn't build the track for it. That may actually be part of the problem. Who knows what kind of lead time they were required to have by Cordes Holzbau for getting new track pieces built?

That might be a serious problem for those Plug & Play Intamins.  I don't know who recently retracked Colossos in Germany but apparently it's all good and smooth now.  SF might go to RMC in a not too distant future considering the bad attention the coaster gets from the media.

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We went last month and the turnaround and bottom of the RT hill were unbearably rough. Like, spine and brain-stem compressing, making it hard to re-ride just because of those two spots. The first 10+ years of operation, El Toro was every bit as smooth as Intamin's steel coasters.

I really hope they do a Colossos treatment and re-track the entire coaster. I can't even begin to describe how pissed I'd be if they gave this amazing coaster the RMC treatment, when all they had to do was maintain it correctly in the first place.

F*cking Six Flags, man.

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Official Statement from the park:

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Several guests reported back pain and minor injuries after riding El Toro last evening. Thirteen guests were evaluated at the park, of which five were taken to a local medical facility for evaluation, where they were treated and released. The ride completed its normal cycle and all guests exited the ride without need of assistance. The ride will remain closed for inspection. Any maintenance and repairs necessary will be completed and the ride will be re-inspected by our engineers, maintenance professionals, our 3rd party independent safety inspectors and the state of NJ prior to re-opening.

 

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Geez, right after an extensive safety evaluation last year, THIS happens.

 

I'm getting Son Of Beast vibes, and it's making me feel uncertain for the future of El Toro.

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5 hours ago, Zack44 said:

Geez, right after an extensive safety evaluation last year, THIS happens.

 

I'm getting Son Of Beast vibes, and it's making me feel uncertain for the future of El Toro.

Yep!  Plus with Six Flags financial situation let's keep our fingers crossed.  It won't reopen anytime soon.

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8 hours ago, Zack44 said:

I'm getting Son Of Beast vibes, and it's making me feel uncertain for the future of El Toro.

Did you miss the official statement from the park posted right above yours where they literally state they are going to reopen it?

 

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In all fairness, the park rep stated that the ride would be deemed safe before it is re-opened.  They didn't state that Six Flags was willing to pay whatever it costs to fix it or that New Jersey would allow it to re-open.

Lets Knott forget about Xcelerator when we are counting Intamins collecting dust that just can't seem to be maintained.

 

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El Toro was glass smooth for a long time. Now it isn't. The turnaround and bottom of the RT hill are so rough that my fiancé tapped out at 2 rides, I tapped out at 3, when normally I'd be down to ride Toro 20+ times in a row. Even parts of the ride that are still "smooth" aren't as smooth as they once were. A full re-track a la Colossos would work wonders for this coaster. And when I say the park should maintain it correctly, they are building their own replacement track sections instead of ordering them from the manufacturer or the manufacturer's contractor. This seems to be a contributing factor. I know this likely won't happen considering Six Flags' clear position on the issue, but it seems to be catching up to them.

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Since Screamscape is now also jumping on the 'serious track issues' of Intamin woodies and how rough El Toro is, and it's just a matter of time before T Express gets hit because it's newest, T Express is in a park that is:

  • One of the world's most attended non Disney/Universal Parks
  • Open 365 days a year for 12 hours a day, I think it's even one of the only parks that didn't close a single day of the pandemic
  • 35C heat and 100% humidity summers and -20C winters which must be tough on the structure
  • Runs T Express from 10:00am to 8:30PM, constantly cycling and is one of only two big roller-coasters for all those crowds.

I'd gather even though it's the newest of the 4, it's probably seen a lot more cycles than the other 3 and although not butter smooth, is still very far from rough. The park does 3-5 weeks maintenance in Jan or Feb every year when they can't run it anyway because the temperature never hits the minimum to be allowed to open, so they must be doing something different from Six Flags/Merlin.

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Something to also consider is how many skilled carpenters, maintenance workers, etc. have retired or were let go from their respective industries because of the pandemic, and as a result have also taken decades worth of institutional knowledge with them.  Knowledge that will take the less-experienced workers who are now in these roles years or even decades to gain and build back up.  That's also in addition to however many smaller companies who are now out of business that previously manufactured highly-specialized replacement parts for these rides. While those are no excuses to operate rides anyway if they are deemed unsafe, I'd speculate that keeping these rides running in the shape they once were is probably the most difficult it's been in a long time.

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Wooden coasters in general require a lot a maintenance and the bigger ones even more.  As time goes on they loosen up and become rough.  Parks that own huge wooden coasters must have a very good maintenance program by skilled carpenters otherwise they become so rough and not really enjoyable, and sometimes dangerous.  I think all the wooden coaster manufacturers nowadays design and build good coasters and start off nice and smooth.  Maintenance is what makes the difference in the long run to keep a coaster smooth and safe!  Big woodies are no exeption.

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Hey folks, we have once again had to clean up a thread and issue warnings. Please be respectful to each other.

And as for the incident itself, we will be following the rules Robb set out in the Facebook group and removing posts from now on that do not cite reliable news sources for the cause of the incident. Speculate all you want on El Toro's maintenance needs and / or its future, but please do not post accounts from social media from people looking for their "moment of fame".

As a reminder, the official statement from the park reads as follows:

"Several guests reported back pain and minor injuries after riding El Toro last evening. Thirteen guests were evaluated at the park, of which five were taken to a local medical facility for evaluation, where they were treated and released. The ride completed its normal cycle and all guests exited the ride without need of assistance. The ride will remain closed for inspection. Any maintenance and repairs necessary will be completed and the ride will be re-inspected by our engineers, maintenance professionals, our 3rd party independent safety inspectors and the state of NJ prior to re-opening."

Thank you!

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Well I'll be taking a trip up there tomorrow (last visit of the summer season).

Though El Toro is down; at least with lower crowds (as per what I've been reading in this thread the last few pages) I won't need to spend on a Flash Pass

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