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People state rumors or even just their persoanlly ideas/preferences as fact whenever they feel like opening their mouth sometimes. It might be true, it might not be. But we need some sort of verification to separate it from rumor, even if it's not a big deal.

 

"Kingda Ka will not be operating on opening day!"

Now, a good number of people on this site (and others after its spread across enthusiast sites) would be hesitant to attend opening day. Is it true? Who knows. I didn't say how I know, so why should anyone believe me?

 

See?

How is this the same? Are you going to boycott the park if it turns out this childrens ride has not been rethemed?

 

Are you really saying that if someone falsely says KK won't be open it would spread across the internet and the park would be empty? I'm willing to bet most people who read coaster forums have a season pass for the park so I don't think the four people who decide they're not going to the park because a ride is closed would affect much of anything considering 95% of people who visit the park have never even visited a theme park forum in their life.

You completely missed the point. I explained it as best I can so I don't want to get into a theoretical situation anymore. Let's just move on and say there's a *possibility* that Blackbeard will be returned come the start of the season.

 

It's actually interesting that Bkackbeard wasn't operating for HITP this year, and I bet a lot of families didn't know the ride existed because it's not in a kiddie area. I wonder, assuming a retheme actually does happen, if they're going for a type of change as they are at SFOG with an actually building and theming.

Can you provide your source on that? See? What are you supposed to say to that other than you heard about it. I'm not saying that everything everyone says is true, but wouldn't you rather someone post a rumor than not?

Yeah, I'd rather someone post a rumor. But just a rumor. When someone comes out and says "this is happening this/next year!" with no source and no credibility, why would I believe that?

I don't mean anything by it but there are a lot of twelve year olds on the Internet, and some of them are on enthusiast sites making statements just like that. If someone posts a rumor or idea as fact they're automatically not credible in my mind. Maybe that's my fault and I should believe everyone but I've learned that's never really been a good idea. There are a lot of stupid people out there.

When most people post mentioning a change in the park, they'll provide a source. Even if it's made-up, saying "oh the dippins dots guy told me", or "a friend of a friend" is giving a source.

 

That particular poster gave nothing. Just a random post with a hashtag. That's why I asked. I still don't understand why this is such a big deal to you, but I digress. Let's take the discussion back to the park.

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So "Blackbeards will be changed with the addition of the joker. It will be called Harley Quinn. - a homeless man who lives near the park who is friends with an employee" is different from "Blackbeards will be changed with the addition of the joker. #Harleyquinn?" I'm pretty sure everyone knows what he meant.

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The issue simply boils down to how something gets stated in a discussion. Like everything, it all comes down to communication and the specific words that are chosen.

 

"Blackbeard will be rethemed to Harley Quinn." <-- This implies fact. This implies this statement has factual evidence that can be readily supplied to support it. It could be a press release from the park, a leaked photo or rendering, permits listing the future name, etc. When something is worded as fact, then there should be facts that support it. If not:

 

"I heard that Blackbeard will be rethemed to Harley Quinn."

 

It's not this scenario that people are voicing dissent against - I agree arguing over a retheming on a family coaster is pretty stupid. The issue is larger than that and affects any topic, any discussion involving speculation. When something is worded as a fact, it should actually be fact. Wording rumor or opinion as fact is how bad rumors and misinformation gets spread.

 

So "Blackbeards will be changed with the addition of the joker. It will be called Harley Quinn. - a homeless man who lives near the park who is friends with an employee" is different from "Blackbeards will be changed with the addition of the joker. #Harleyquinn?" I'm pretty sure everyone knows what he meant.

 

Excuse me, are you new to the Internet? MOST people won't know what he meant. MOST people are moronic mouth-breathers who'll repost and restate anything they see on the Internet regardless if it's true or not. Look at political discussions led by memes full of completely incorrect facts. The distinction is ABSOLUTELY necessary.

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Kingda Ka will be removed at the end of this season. I heard it from someone I know who works at the park.

 

Kingda Ka's days are numbered #goodbye #endof2016

 

I perceive those exactly the same. The argument here is that you can't just believe what people say because they say it. So you're asking for some sort of source. If he says his source is from someone who works there does that really make it any more credible? He could easily be making that up as well. I seriously doubt that "MOST people" don't understand what he meant with that post and I think it's insulting that you're saying this forum is basically the same as the comment section on a CNN article.

 

If someone said something like "The park just announced Rolling Thunder is being removed" I'd ask for a source. But when someone posts a rumor, what kind of source are you looking for? That's my point.

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^He already explained that! It's been stated multiple times now that if someone is going to post a rumor, do just that! Post it as a rumor, not as a fact. We're all making the same argument and I don't know how else to explain it. I'm sorry but I'm starting to think maybe this forum isn't all that different from a comment section. Seriously.

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You contradict your point several times. If you seriously can't tell when something is worded as fact or when something is worded as rumor then there's just no helping you.

 

I'm sorry but I'm starting to think maybe this forum isn't all that different from a comment section. Seriously.

 

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This article is written entirely as fact:

http://www.sanduskyregister.com/Business/2016/02/11/Shoot-The-Rapids-coming-down.html?ci=stream&lp=10&p=1

Cedar Point’s Shoot the Rapids is coming down.

 

Sources have told the Register the amusement park operator started to tear down the water ride Tuesday. Cedar Point is not confirming the removal or what will come next.

Their source? Sources. Are you going to write the editor and ask him what his source is? Most people seem to be fine with them not having a source and now there's something new to discuss about Cedar Point!

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I really hate to jump in on this, but considering it's been explained how the structure and words of the statement comes off as a fact, several times I might add, and you still haven't come to grasp this, I'm really starting to question if you are just arguing for the sake of arguing, or you are trolling. Take your pick, but several people explained why they read it as a fact, with pretty darn good reasoning and you still don't get it and seem to just want to pick an argument with them.

 

EDIT: spelling errors.

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^^^That's a reputable newspaper that has a history of reporting properly and has inside connections with park. It's understood that their sources are legitimate because they actually are. Anybody in the world could create an account on this site and post whatever the hell they want. It doesn't take a genius to do that, but apparently it does take one to question it.

I really hate to jump in on this, but considering it's been explained how the structure and world of the statement comes off as a fact, several times I might add, and you still haven't come to grasp this, I'm really starting to question if you are just arguing for the sake of arguing, or you are trolling. Take your pick, but several people explained why they read it as a fact, with pretty darn good reasoning and you still don't get it and seem to just want to pick an argument with them.

And this too.

You know there's a difference between a newspaper and a random post on an internet forum, right?

And this.

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I'm not saying the newspaper is as credible as this user. But just like the user's post, this article doesn't cite a source. The original question I asked is what is that user supposed to say his source is? What would the newspaper say if you asked that question? Does him saying he heard it from someone who works at the park vs not providing a source any different at all? I'm not arguing how true that statement is, I'm trying to figure out what someone is supposed to say their source is for something that there isn't any physical evidence to provide.

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I'm not saying the newspaper is as credible as this user. But just like the user's post, this article doesn't cite a source. The original question I asked is what is that user supposed to say his source is? What would the newspaper say if you asked that question? Does him saying he heard it from someone who works at the park vs not providing a source any different at all? I'm not arguing how true that statement is, I'm trying to figure out what someone is supposed to say their source is for something that there isn't any physical evidence to provide.

So there's a couple things you can do.

 

1) Say it's a rumor and don't word it as fact. "I heard a rumor that..." Or "I heard from (source/person/site) that..."

2) Not say anything because you don't know how to construct a proper sentence with basic information.

 

I don't know how else to explain it. I've never had to explain how to write a sentence so it's all new to me.

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I had no idea this board was such a formal place. I am going to take a break for a little while. At least until I get a degree in the english language obviously. As a rule of thumb, you can perceive everything posted without a source as a rumor. All problems are now solved.

 

Yes, please do take a break. Your argument is pointless.

 

I'd rather not read any more comments on this argument from either side. LET IT GO!

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^ I can see Blackbeard being re-themed, but I don't think they'd go full Gotham City. Unless they made everything from Joker all the way to B:TR and Nitro part of Gotham as well, in which case, that would be a huge section. And it still wouldn't be cohesive, because no iteration of Gotham City I've seen has ever had a giant skull in the middle of it.

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