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Thanks for all the photos and reports guys. Looks like its a great event, won't make it there today so looks like Friday for me. Can't wait.

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Is your buddy the Dippin Dots guy?

 

Thanks for all the photos and reports guys. Looks like its a great event, won't make it there today so looks like Friday for me. Can't wait.

 

 

lol I will also say that Flash pass and ride operators were overstaffed. Those were there yesterday would probably agree with me. I honestly think they were expecting a bigger crowd in my opinion. Should be more crowded today with the Santa Run.

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Holiday in the Park is going to bring out a different crowd than other events. There were a lot of strollers and long lines for all of the family rides, the food and the holiday shows and events. Skull Mountain and Dark Knight were pretty much killing it and always had a steady stream of people moving in. The same thing happens at Dollywood, generally the coaster lines aren't that long even though the park is packed (except Firechaser Express) because it's not the major draw. The coasters are still popular but they're not the draw... generally stations were full all day yesterday but I don't know how many Flash Passes they're going to sell until they copy Dollywood's formula and realize they can give people priority show seating and use it for the Santa Meet and Greet.

 

Flash Pass was over staffed but that's really about it, they have a slightly different type of crowd. The good news is they got a lot of families and families spend money. There were huge lines for foods, everyone was buying those Holiday in the Park drink cups, everyone was buying the smores and the Christmas ornaments were flying off the shelves.

 

They have El Toro ornaments now BTW... just throwing that out there. Everybody go get one.

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I know what's going to keep me personally away from an event like this is the main draw, El Toro, runs progressively slower as the temperature drops. Riding the bull when it's running more like a vaguely irritated cow leaves a funny taste in my mouth. If it's the pretty lights I want, there's many local attractions that are closer, cheaper, and offer the same thing.

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^ You are aware that Toro, and that entire side of the park (Golden Kingdom, PDC, Frontier, and BBNP) is closed for this event, right? The Bull is hibernating for the winter.

 

Also, and this isn't necessarily directed at you - but so many people have posted online why they are not going to go to this event from Toro and Ka being down to the Safari being closed, to the many other holiday events in the area, etc. I am surprised more people aren't just content with the fact that for the first time ever we have an open park with coasters running until January. I'm so happy they are doing this, based on reports here and elsewhere it looks fantastic, I guess people will always find something to complain about.

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^^I'd suggest giving it a chance, it's the best Christmas light display I've seen possibly anywhere. The only coasters open are Nitro, Batman, Green Lantern, Superman, Skull Mountain and Dark Knight. Nitro was running fine as it warmed up (the trims didn't kick on except on the mid course so the speed is fine), it delivered plenty of floater air, the other coasters all seemed to be running at a decent pace (though we didn't ride Green Lantern because f**k Green Lantern) and Batman was completely hauling... I mean hauling. To each his own but I'm still on a Holiday in the Park high. I never expected this incredible level of quality from Six Flags. The "Polar Point" area looks insane and the Christmas tree... holy hell.

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I realized Toro probably wasn't running just as I was clicking "post", but in any case that only solidifies my position more. I am glad they're doing a good job with it (though I'll be curious to see if that level of quality keeps on year after year), and if I lived 30 minutes away I'd probably consider going. I guess that's probably what they're hoping for anyway, I doubt anyone thinks this is going to draw people from 2+ hours away. I'll be curious to hear how this works out for them.

 

I wonder if Toro could even run at all this time of year without risking valleying.

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Maybe it's just the sensation of night time, combined with the rush of cold air, but coasters 'feel' like they're running smoother and faster in the cold to me. We went to our first cold weather event earlier in the year at KI and Diamonback, Beast, and Banshee felt like they were hauling. Maybe some parks/rides have a better cold weather setup than others or maybe it just does 'feel' faster? Can anyone comment on this?

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^^ I marathoned Toro at Coasters After Dark in April when it was just under 40 degrees and they were making everyone sit in the front of the train because it was seriously about to valley right before the brake run. Also was there in October of last year early on a freezing cold Sunday morning temps in the 30s and they were running Toro but it was unbelievably sluggish. The drop, first two hills and RT hill are all still insane even when its running that painfully slow. Its the twister section and the last few bunnyhops where its so noticeable.

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I doubt anyone thinks this is going to draw people from 2+ hours away.

 

For most people you're right, but if they would have done nothing but go to Wal Mart, buy one 3 foot a pre-lit pop up tree, put it at the front gate, forget to plug it in, do nothing else holiday related but let us ride a hyper coaster in New Jersey in January I would think many enthusiasts would make the drive. I know I would.

 

Maybe it's just the sensation of night time, combined with the rush of cold air, but coasters 'feel' like they're running smoother and faster in the cold to me. We went to our first cold weather event earlier in the year at KI and Diamonback, Beast, and Banshee felt like they were hauling. Maybe some parks/rides have a better cold weather setup than others or maybe it just does 'feel' faster? Can anyone comment on this?

 

I agree with this completely. I know they don't but coasters always feel faster in the cold to me.

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Park number of guests today only 1500 though.

 

Based on your posts I guess you work at the park? I'm not questioning you but this number doesn't even seem close to being right. The midways were very crowded last night even during shows... So let's say there were 500 people in the theater at a time (seems close to being right, when we went they just about filled it), coaster trains were generally full even if it was re-rides so Nitro would have about 72 people on it at a time, Batman 32, Green Lantern 32, Superman 32, Skull Mountain 56 (2 trains) and Dark Knight was filling it's pre-show last night so let's say that's 30 people. So just if we count people on the coasters and I'm the theater at any given time that's above 750... So that would mean at any given time half the people in the park (assuming they were all there at the same time and nobody left) was sitting in coaster trains or in the theater. Maybe you take a few off because each coaster will have some empty seas for groups of 1/2/3 that's don't even out but not many. Plus Skull Mountain and Batman had full station waits for most of the day and at one point Nitro's line was back to the old hot dog cart so that's about a 20 minute wait or more.

 

Now how can that number explain crowded midways, long food lines everywhere, long lines for most of the flats, the people on the flats, the people in the stores, the long line to meet Santa. The Mrs. Clause show that was almost always just about filled... Again I'm not questioning you but that number doesn't add up. Not even close... I mean look at the pictures on the last page (and a report of an hour wait to see Santa around 4 which is the same time Nitro's line was at it's longest point).

 

Is Skyscreamer running with those lights on it? Seems like it's stationary with the way it's all rigged up.

 

Also I'm curious how Nitro was running in the cold. I know Steel Force at least starts to slog quite a bit when the temps dip below 45ish. Is it still giving good B&M floater despite the cold?

 

Nitro ran well... Earlier in the day it was a little sluggish but as it kept running it really sped up. The greeter said they plan to keep switching between warm weather and cold weather wheels as needed for the event too (maybe Ryan can shed some light on how that works). Last night the mid course was even kicking on which it doesn't do when the ride really crawls.

 

1500 people equates to super light crowds. Maybe that person meant 15,000 as that sounds much more fitting to the crowds you guys were describing. Anything above 25,000 people is when the park begins to get very congested but 15,000 is usually crowded midways but not too bad lines.

 

As for Nitro switching back and forth between the warm and cold weather wheels, I'm going to assume the ride will primarily run the cold weather wheels and maybe if there's a fluke warm weather weekend, they'll swap a few cold for warm weather wheels. The biggest issues the rides have in the cold are warming them up in the mornings so the cold weather wheels would make more sense.

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The good news is they got a lot of families and families spend money. There were huge lines for foods, everyone was buying those Holiday in the Park drink cups, everyone was buying the smores and the Christmas ornaments were flying off the shelves.

 

They have El Toro ornaments now BTW... just throwing that out there. Everybody go get one.

 

These are the keys to the event being a fiscal success I hope the park can pull in at least 2,500 - 3000 attendees per day.

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The good news is they got a lot of families and families spend money. There were huge lines for foods, everyone was buying those Holiday in the Park drink cups, everyone was buying the smores and the Christmas ornaments were flying off the shelves.

 

They have El Toro ornaments now BTW... just throwing that out there. Everybody go get one.

 

These are the keys to the event being a fiscal success I hope the park can pull in at least 2,500 - 3000 attendees per day.

 

I think Ryan is probably right about the 15,000. Attendance yesterday was pretty strong.

 

 

 

 

 

(A few pictures were posted a few pages back, the last 2 are from Great Adventure History)

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The good news is they got a lot of families and families spend money. There were huge lines for foods, everyone was buying those Holiday in the Park drink cups, everyone was buying the smores and the Christmas ornaments were flying off the shelves.

 

They have El Toro ornaments now BTW... just throwing that out there. Everybody go get one.

 

These are the keys to the event being a fiscal success I hope the park can pull in at least 2,500 - 3000 attendees per day.

 

I think Ryan is probably right about the 15,000. Attendance yesterday was pretty strong.

 

 

 

 

 

(A few pictures were posted a few pages back, the last 2 are from Great Adventure History)

 

You're right. Just confirmed it was 15,000.

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With HITP, Gradv might become the top attended SF park again. I know in 2014 they only trailed MM by like 50,000 guests or so. Though MM had a pretty crowded 2015 with the opening of TC, so it'll be interesting to see attendance figures when they come out next year.

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lol nope! I will also say that Flash pass and ride operators were overstaffed. Those were there yesterday would probably agree with me. I honestly think they were expecting a bigger crowd in my opinion. Should be more crowded today with the Santa Run.

 

I didn't see a single person using Flash Pass yesterday which I was kind of surprised about since even on days when the park is empty I always still see a few people with Flash Pass. Maybe they would have had more Flash Pass users if they had big signs to let people know it is half price compared to the rest of the season. I don't know if the $5 off season pass discount still applies but that would make a regular Flash Pass $17 (website is showing the non passholder prices as $22 for regular, $35 for gold, $55 for Platinum).

 

Also, and this isn't necessarily directed at you - but so many people have posted online why they are not going to go to this event from Toro and Ka being down to the Safari being closed, to the many other holiday events in the area, etc. I am surprised more people aren't just content with the fact that for the first time ever we have an open park with coasters running until January. I'm so happy they are doing this, based on reports here and elsewhere it looks fantastic, I guess people will always find something to complain about.

 

For years I have wanted Holiday In The Park and have said in the past I would have been happy with just Skull Mountain and the Dark Knight open and I would have still attended the event since 2 coasters is better than nothing (since the only alternatives in the area before Hershey this year were all kiddie coasters). As soon as I heard Nitro would be running, that was enough for me to want to get back to the park at least a few more times before January.

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The good news is they got a lot of families and families spend money. There were huge lines for foods, everyone was buying those Holiday in the Park drink cups, everyone was buying the smores and the Christmas ornaments were flying off the shelves.

 

They have El Toro ornaments now BTW... just throwing that out there. Everybody go get one.

 

These are the keys to the event being a fiscal success I hope the park can pull in at least 2,500 - 3000 attendees per day.

 

I think Ryan is probably right about the 15,000. Attendance yesterday was pretty strong.

 

You're right. Just confirmed it was 15,000.

 

Well then, that's a great start, and I'm glad they proved me wrong.

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Maybe it's just the sensation of night time, combined with the rush of cold air, but coasters 'feel' like they're running smoother and faster in the cold to me. We went to our first cold weather event earlier in the year at KI and Diamonback, Beast, and Banshee felt like they were hauling. Maybe some parks/rides have a better cold weather setup than others or maybe it just does 'feel' faster? Can anyone comment on this?

 

Some rides, like Batman apparently, it doesn't seem to matter as much. But for me, all woodies in particular feel slower in the cold so far without exception. Maybe because the track and wheel lubricant matters more, and we all know grease gets slicker when it's hot. But last time I went to Dorney in the cold (probably low 50s) all the rides felt slower and rougher, Steel Force in particular.

 

But El Toro I will admit I'm overly sensitive to how it runs. If it's less than perfect then I suddenly regret making the two hour drive down to that miserable, miserable place. On both camel backs in the back row, I want to be feeling that pressure in my cheeks from the second we start cresting the hill all the way to the bottom. If I can only feel it after we pass the apex like you normally do on other, lesser coasters, then it's a disappointment. I know that's unfair but I'm definitely not one of these "It's still insane even when it's running slow" people.

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I think it depends on the ride. El Toro is very temperamental depending on the weather, temperature, how full the trains are, how smooth it's running that day, etc, and the nature of its layout makes it fairly easy to tell whether its running at its full potential. That being, in the evening after a 90 degree August day.

 

Other rides it's not as easy to tell, or it might even seem faster in the cold. Kingda Ka is not as temperamental because it's launched so it's within about 2% (3pmh or so) of its top speed 100% of the time. The cold weather can make the wind feel more extreme, making it feel "faster." I think Batman is similar, especially because it's very small and the weather won't impact it's speed as much as a ride like El Toro. It's also not as dependent on whether it's retaining that last mph or not--it's intense whether it hits the brakes at 40 or 42.

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Went yesterday, park wasnt that crowded.

 

all the lights were cool, alot of babies, kids, lines were all walk on. Nitro, Batman, Lantern and Superman all wall on, all multiple rides in a row. Superman at end of the night nobody was on it, rode back row three times and could have stayed on for 5 more times if we wanted.

 

Lights were cool but they didnt light up the Ferris Wheel, thats a mistake. We all thought it would have been really cool if they lit it up even if it wasnt running.

 

Only negative was getting food, lines were crazy long, everyone wanted to use dining pass.

 

We to to J Rockets and I'm telling you it was the worst serve I've ever seen in a park. We ordered, stood in line for 25 minutes without moving an inch while burgers/meals were piling up, everyone was just like WTF? They were having trouble with one lady and my aunt being my aunt started to flip. SHe's yelling at the manager to get moving, food is getting cold, WTF is going on, it was a mess.

 

We waited 35 minutes, its not like line was all the way out the door, we were inside the place and its not big and it still took that long. Of course our food was cold, cold shit fries, cold burger. Wasnt even worth complaining, I regret even going there for food.

 

Wish they kept the backwards batman cars cause the harnesses were bigger, with all my coats etc on I barely fit on batman, the backwards cars had better harnessess.

 

Was cold but not that cold, was cold on the rides. Thought Nitro was running like shit, very slow going over the humps at the end, never felt it that slow before. Was it the car or the cold weather slowing it down?

 

Def gonna go back atleast one more time. Already spent about 40 bucks on food since I got my 2016 dining pass so its already half paid for and its not even next year. So thats gonna end up being a good investment

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I think it depends on the ride. El Toro is very temperamental depending on the weather, temperature, how full the trains are, how smooth it's running that day, etc, and the nature of its layout makes it fairly easy to tell whether its running at its full potential. That being, in the evening after a 90 degree August day.

 

Other rides it's not as easy to tell, or it might even seem faster in the cold. Kingda Ka is not as temperamental because it's launched so it's within about 2% (3pmh or so) of its top speed 100% of the time. The cold weather can make the wind feel more extreme, making it feel "faster." I think Batman is similar, especially because it's very small and the weather won't impact it's speed as much as a ride like El Toro. It's also not as dependent on whether it's retaining that last mph or not--it's intense whether it hits the brakes at 40 or 42.

 

Oh absolutely. El Toro desperately needs cold weather wheels but I don't believe Intamin provides those for the plug n' plays. Does anyone know if the other Intamin woodies are so weather sensitive? Hell, El Toro evens slows down dramatically during summer nights where it sits quiet between park operating days. Then it gains it's speed back during morning test runs.

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