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This thread is enough for me to never come back to this forum again. The level of vitriol directed towards people with perfectly valid complaints against this new ride is just so completely beyond anything resembling respectable behavior that I'm honestly shocked. And I've been reading this forum for upwards of three years now (I know, not very long compared to many of you) and I didn't think it was still possible for me to be shocked.

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The Dark Knight - indoor wild mouse

The Green Lantern - relocated standup coaster

Bizzaro - Medusa is repainted and some of the theming is literally turned upside down, sometimes they turn the fire on too

Zumanjaro - Drop tower added to the side of already-built Kingda Ka

Safari RIde - The park changed the already existing safari into one that leaves through controlled vehicle from the park and billed it as a new ride. There was an outpost stop added with an upcharged zipline. They didn't add the monkeys back.

Larson loop bulled as a coaster

S&S 4D coaster that isn't as good as the Intamin version (yes I've ridden both). The capacity and waits for the SFFT version were consistently horrible.]

 

There are alot of parks that would kill for one of those rides in that same span of time. A huge drop tower, super loop, and 3 coasters isnt to shabby. Some of you people crack me up

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This thread is enough for me to never come back to this forum again. The level of vitriol directed towards people with perfectly valid complaints against this new ride is just so completely beyond anything resembling respectable behavior that I'm honestly shocked. And I've been reading this forum for upwards of three years now (I know, not very long compared to many of you) and I didn't think it was still possible for me to be shocked.

 

 

Just don't have an opinion that is different than anyone else's ... and if you do, just don't voice your opinion and you'll be fine. At least... this is what I'm learning.

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This thread is enough for me to never come back to this forum again. The level of vitriol directed towards people with perfectly valid complaints against this new ride is just so completely beyond anything resembling respectable behavior that I'm honestly shocked. And I've been reading this forum for upwards of three years now (I know, not very long compared to many of you) and I didn't think it was still possible for me to be shocked.

 

 

Right!! But this happens every year when announcements come out. I think it's just the nerd nature of coaster enthusiasts to argue and bicker over the dumbest shit. I'll stick to lurking around here and laughing at the arguments.

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Just don't have an opinion that is different than anyone else's ... and if you do, just don't voice your opinion and you'll be fine. At least... this is what I'm learning.

 

I don't want to speak for anyone but I honestly think the problem is that people don't read a few pages back on a hot thread and that causes the frustration and the angry responses.

 

For example... the capacity thing. Someone mentioned it and it was addressed. And then it was mentioned again, and again, and again and again and that's what leads to types of responses that people are getting. The problem isn't that people have differing opinions, it's that people don't go back and read and it frustrates the people who have been reading the thread or people that moderate the site and have read everything because they basically have to in order to moderate it.

 

I'm not intending to speak for anyone of course but that's what it seems like to me so I understand where everyone's coming from.

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I don't want to speak for anyone but I honestly think the problem is that people don't read a few pages back on a hot thread and that causes the frustration and the angry responses.

 

For example... the capacity thing. Someone mentioned it and it was addressed. And then it was mentioned again, and again, and again and again and that's what leads to types of responses that people are getting. The problem isn't that people have differing opinions, it's that people don't go back and read and it frustrates the people who have been reading the thread or people that moderate the site and have read everything because they basically have to in order to moderate it.

 

I'm not intending to speak for anyone of course but that's what it seems like to me so I understand where everyone's coming from.

 

This! Plus people are waaaaaay to sensitive on here.

 

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This thread is enough for me to never come back to this forum again. The level of vitriol directed towards people with perfectly valid complaints against this new ride is just so completely beyond anything resembling respectable behavior that I'm honestly shocked. And I've been reading this forum for upwards of three years now (I know, not very long compared to many of you) and I didn't think it was still possible for me to be shocked.

 

On the contrary, this thread / site is what helps restore my faith in some aspects of the coaster / theme park community. When I visit some of GAdv's other fansites and Facebook groups, it's usually full of these completely asinine, self-entitled, uninformed comments and arguments. I'm thrilled that there's at least ONE place out there that will call these people on their BS and aim for quality. I personally don't understand why webmasters of some of these other sites, many of whom I know don't agree with these comments, continue to let them poison their forums / news feeds.

 

Besides, it's not about contrary opinions. It's about opinions unsupported by rational arguments or facts. For example:

 

- It's perfectly okay to prefer B&M on this site over Intiman.

- It's perfectly okay to prefer floater airtime over ejector airtime on this site.

- It's perfectly okay to prefer Universal over Disney on this site.

- It's perfectly okay to prefer credit whoring instead of riding more selectively.

 

BUT SUPPORT THESE OPINIONS WITH RATIONAL ARGUMENTS THAT ARE SUPPORTED BY FACTS.

 

Coasterbill displayed it earlier perfectly with his "capacity" example.

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I'm glad that we're getting an actual roller coaster next year, but I wish that it didn't have to be at the expense of what is usually the quietest area of the entire park. Truth be told, I didn't visit Fort Independence much while it was around, but at least it offered some alternate entertainment aside from something to ride. I also love how they said "Summer 2016" like they're not even beating around the bush: it's gonna take a long, long time for the overall construction. Whatever, either way I can't wait!

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Truth be told, I didn't visit Fort Independence much while it was around, but at least it offered some alternate entertainment aside from something to ride.

 

The Safari Discoveries arena covers this now, though. I literally on Sunday just watched the sea lion show that would've in the past taken place at the Aqua Stadium. Plus, it's shaded, has more comfortable seats, and allows you the opportunity to walk directly up and see them up close, something the Stadium couldn't do.

 

I get that it's an original park structure, but it doesn't serve a purpose anymore. There's a reason why the left side of the Lakefront has been dead for years now. Out with the old, in with the new.

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Besides, it's not about contrary opinions. It's about opinions unsupported by rational arguments or facts. For example:

 

- It's perfectly okay to prefer B&M on this site over Intiman.

- It's perfectly okay to prefer floater airtime over ejector airtime on this site.

- It's perfectly okay to prefer Universal over Disney on this site.

- It's perfectly okay to prefer credit whoring instead of riding more selectively.

 

BUT SUPPORT THESE OPINIONS WITH RATIONAL ARGUMENTS THAT ARE SUPPORTED BY FACTS.

The entire concept of an opinion is that it's not based on fact, but on belief. The dictionary definition of the word is literally 'a personal view, attitude, or appraisal'. Saying that this ride has low capacity is NOT an opinion - it is a fact, based on the theoretical numbers; however, it has been proven to not be a problem at SFFT. That is also a fact, based on empirical evidence.

 

Opinions are not a result of fact. They are a result of preference. Nobody needs to give you a rational argument for why they prefer B&M or Universal. That's not how opinion works. They do need to give you a rational argument for why they think the lines are going to suck, and you can tell them that they're wrong. Because, at least at SFFT, the lines don't suck - and that's a fact.

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I'm very excited about this addition. My home park is Great Escape, so I'll most likely be getting a season pass and planning a weekend trip to SFGAdv. I will happily wait however long is necessary to ride this coaster. It's a brand new coaster experience that I couldn't get otherwise without planning a much more expensive vacation to Texas. I'm not seeing a downside here.

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This thread is enough for me to never come back to this forum again. The level of vitriol directed towards people with perfectly valid complaints against this new ride is just so completely beyond anything resembling respectable behavior that I'm honestly shocked. And I've been reading this forum for upwards of three years now (I know, not very long compared to many of you) and I didn't think it was still possible for me to be shocked.

 

On the contrary, this thread / site is what helps restore my faith in some aspects of the coaster / theme park community. When I visit some of GAdv's other fansites and Facebook groups, it's usually full of these completely asinine, self-entitled, uninformed comments and arguments. I'm thrilled that there's at least ONE place out there that will call these people on their BS and aim for quality. I personally don't understand why webmasters of some of these other sites, many of whom I know don't agree with these comments, continue to let them poison their forums / news feeds.

 

Besides, it's not about contrary opinions. It's about opinions unsupported by rational arguments or facts. For example:

 

- It's perfectly okay to prefer B&M on this site over Intiman.

- It's perfectly okay to prefer floater airtime over ejector airtime on this site.

- It's perfectly okay to prefer Universal over Disney on this site.

- It's perfectly okay to prefer credit whoring instead of riding more selectively.

 

BUT SUPPORT THESE OPINIONS WITH RATIONAL ARGUMENTS THAT ARE SUPPORTED BY FACTS.

 

Coasterbill displayed it earlier perfectly with his "capacity" example.

 

You're right, the capacity example is perfect. Just as a comparison, Fahrenheit at Hershey is described all the time on this site as a relatively low capacity ride, compared to other major attractions, and this is supported by the fact that it always has long, slow-moving lines. So somebody points out that this ride, which has a stated capacity less than Farenheit, is a low capacity ride. Then out of nowhere somebody says "NOOO IT'S NOT A LOW CAPACITY RIDE WHAT KIND OF MORON ARE YOU RAAAARG". Now there's all kinds of rides out there with all kinds of capacities, so whether or not you want to describe this ride's capacity as low depends on what you're comparing it to, what you think the park needs, etc. In other words, it's subjective. But I'd say describing it as "low capacity" is perfectly reasonable. But no, because somebody shouted that it's not low capacity and some moderators agreed with him, then suddenly it's case-closed and now nobody is ever allowed to say it's low capacity again. Which is nonsense of course, but worse, it's bullying and oppressive.

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Well I'm glad we finally know what GAdv is adding next year. This was an interesting summer of speculation.

 

The ride looks fun and there have been tons of positive reviews out of SFFT. I'm confident the ride itself will be a huge hit for the park. Would it have been nice if they went with the 220 foot version? Of course. Would it have been nice if they placed the ride anywhere else, like Chillers spot or Freefalls spot and keep the lake real estate open for a future RMC or Premier? Of course. That being said though I am glad that the renderings show it in the Forts location and not the Grandstands. I think it works much better to the side of the lake than if it were right in front of it. Is the name and theming a little lackluster? Of course, but it is Six Flags so you shouldn't expect Dollywood level stuff in that department.

 

This will be a great addition to the parks lineup as far as ride experience goes. I for one am looking forward to riding it as the only other 4d I've been on was X when it first opened, and I LOVED it.

 

Hopefully I'll be able to represent TPR at Media Day again next year, hint hint Robb

 

 

On a side note, if KK does get the new trains that would be very nice. I305 is super comfortable. KK with those restraints and without the shuffle it has would be a nice upgrade to an already awesome ride.

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I find all the complaints here kind of funny. If my local park had El Toro, I would never complain about anything they added. I'd walk right past the new ride, and ride El Toro.

 

 

Exactly.

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If you are a smart enthusiast you know the rules.

 

Get to the park at open

Go the the park on slow days

Get on the rides that you are concerned about because of capacity, long lines or breakdowns early in the day

 

Therefore, I will continue to get to SFGAdv park at opening, on slower days and ride Total Mayhem first.

 

I actually just bought my Gold pass during the Flash Sale (first time I recall that parking at other SF parks is being included without an upcharge), I even added the Gold Dining Pass for the first time.

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BUT SUPPORT THESE OPINIONS WITH RATIONAL ARGUMENTS THAT ARE SUPPORTED BY FACTS.

The entire concept of an opinion is that it's not based on fact, but on belief. The dictionary definition of the word is literally 'a personal view, attitude, or appraisal'. Saying that this ride has low capacity is NOT an opinion - it is a fact, based on the theoretical numbers; however, it has been proven to not be a problem at SFFT. That is also a fact, based on empirical evidence.

 

Opinions are not a result of fact. They are a result of preference. Nobody needs to give you a rational argument for why they prefer B&M or Universal. That's not how opinion works. They do need to give you a rational argument for why they think the lines are going to suck, and you can tell them that they're wrong. Because, at least at SFFT, the lines don't suck - and that's a fact.

 

I'm a little stunned that you have the dictionary definition of "opinion" staring at you in the face and yet you still get it wrong. "Low capacity" falls under "appraisal". The actual capacity, the number itself, is the fact. Stating whether it's low or high is the appraisal, i.e., the opinion. There is no governing body stating what qualifies a ride's capacity as low or high. It's low compared to some rides, high compared to others. And whether or not the lines at SFFT suck is also an appraisal. Maybe, if you don't think the ride is worth waiting an hour (or however long) for, then the wait sucks. Whereas someone who loves the ride thinks its perfectly reasonable.

 

The blurring of "opinion" and "fact" is half the problem around here.

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Besides, it's not about contrary opinions. It's about opinions unsupported by rational arguments or facts. For example:

- It's perfectly okay to prefer credit whoring instead of riding more selectively.

 

NO, THIS IS NEVER OK. IT IS THE SIGN OF SEVERE PROBLEMS.

 

But at least, we are tolerated here most of the time.

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