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Following en route with the speculation of an S&S Free Fly, does anyone know how much space those markings(as shown by boldikus) are covering? Tranan in Sweden takes up about 230' by 160' (70m x 49m).

 

 

Here is the footprint for Tranan. I know the rides won't be exactly the same, but being a coaster that's only been built once, it's pertinent to include.

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Huh? Maybe I'm completely off here, but I thought the speculation was an S&S Free Spin (not Freefly), like Fiesta Texas is getting.

 

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I think an RMC by the lake, especially with brown track like Outlaw Run, would look beautiful by the lake. I can envision an inverting stall like Goliath's being the perfect photo op along that lake.

 

However, it is a very, very thin portion of land. Unless they rip up that entire pathway, I just can't see an RMC running along the lake. I know there is that penninsula near Fort Independence that could give them a lot more space, but I am not sure if it is too swampy to build anything major on. A bigger/more expanded free spin isn't my first choice, but it does fit that strip of land and would definitely add to the lineup's variety.

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Huh? Maybe I'm completely off here, but I thought the speculation was an S&S Free Spin (not Freefly), like Fiesta Texas is getting.

 

 

You are right. My mistake. I can't read apparently. At any rate, I wouldn't mind either, Although, I do believe a free spin would work better.

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I would love it if they enhance the Lakefront themeing to really bring the pirate vibe out a bit more. Think about it, these are some of the rides already there:

 

- Blackbeard's Lost Treasure Train

- Jolly Roger

- Swashbuckler

- Buccaneer

- Skull Mountain

 

I'm usually the first one to dismiss any "wouldn't it be great if the park did..." comments because of their tendency to lack any grasp of reality, but they're already half-way there on this one. All it's really missing is a marquee attraction and a little more cohesiveness and we're in business.

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Alhthough I am not a fan of these types of rides, El Diablo looks great!

 

Dear Six Flags,

 

See how nice things look with big mature trees near by? I hope your planning on leaving most of those treeless by the lake, because taking them all out would be a pity...

 

Love,

Everyone who breaths oxygen

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^ I'm sure with all the drama that NJ environmental groups are creating over the solar farm project, SFGAdv is going to avoid removing as many other trees as possible, especially those nice ones from the middle area of the park.

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To break up some of the freespin speculation, I purpose a hole in the theory. The space being cleared is 880ft long (thanks to google maps). Batman at Fiesta Texas is only 280ft long. That means that 3 of them could fit in the new space being cleared. I understand that S&S offers bigger models, but it would hard to believe that the bigger ones are 3 times bigger than Batman. To put into perspective the size of the land being cleared, it is about the distance from El Toro's first drop to it's turn around.

 

Caution: Crazy Enthusiast speculation below

 

While Six Flags can make some face-meets-wall choices, they do like to save money. What doesn't save money is demolition of things that don't need to be demolished, especially when those things could be used to help you make more money. Batman would actually fit in just the space where the grandstand is. However, we know that the grandstand, live stage, and aqua stadium are being removed. Not to mention, the lakefront property is probably fairly valuable to the park. I would think they would only want to put a huge-bang coaster there.

 

A huge observation in the way of coaster design has been less and less lift hill supports. Look at I305 and Skyrush! Lets pretend that Great Adventure is building a world record breaking giga coaster. Skyrush is the most recent example of Intamin's supports so we will use it as the model. Sky Rush's supports are 150 ft away from each other. If a 350ft giga is being built we could calculate the scale between height and lift support distance to be (150*350)/200. That would mean the distance between supports would be about 262 feet.

 

Great Adventure has wanted to build a coaster over the lake likely since the park opened. However, we all know that Jackson is concerned about the environment and won't let them touch it. Not to mention, draining the lake would be an expensive endeavor. What if we had a way of building a lift hill that could travel over the lake to another part of land without touching it? Remember the support distance we calculated before? That could give us a lift structure like this:

 

 

For those that don't know, there is a cleared service road already on that stretch of land. This would minimize the amount of trees that the park would have to cut down. But what about the grandstand and the festival stage? Well, that could all be answered if the coaster followed a layout similar to this with the station being located where the stadium currently is:

 

 

The flat ground length of the coaster would be about 2,700ft. This would likely be 5,000 - 5,800 feet when you account for hills and turns. This would make the coaster on par in length with I305. The locations, visibility, and non-visibility would make this one of the most marketable coasters the park could possibly build.

 

I'm just dreaming, but it was fun to put this all together.

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Woolandmammoth, that's an interesting idea that I have considered (at least as far as the land is concerned, not a giga though). I only have 2 concerns,

 

1) I know much of the area in that strip of land is very swampy, and not ideal for a coaster.

 

2) That thin strip of land is 100ft wide max, which isn't impossible to have track that travels both out and back, but it is a tight squeeze.

 

Overall, my money is on a free spin, with some overall redevelopment of that area. Best case scenario would be a RMC with a similar footprint to Goliath. I really doubt SF would spend the $20-$25M on a giga, though.

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Am I the only one that thinks a Free Spin would not be wise? The capacity would be terrible and no one knows how Batman will turn out. It may be just as uncomfortable as GL in California. A giga like the one mentioned before would be both highly marketable and more enjoyable (flying by trees, being isolated from the rest of the park, etc) than a Free Spin. Just my two cents but a giga would be a better choice to up attendance.

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I just want to clarify something. We don't actually KNOW the stadium and grandstand are being removed. A random guy on GAH's forums is basing this off of two random park employees telling him this. Far and away from actual confirmation.

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A giga would also cost about 27 million more. Good luck with that.

I305 cost 25 million. I guess Batman cost around 5 or 10. Where are you getting your numbers from?

 

I don't know, but it doesn't really matter. Unless there is a big change in company spending, they're not spending that much on one ride.

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El KIAblo is looking great! While the ride may not be what coaster enthusiasts were hoping for, it fits into Plaza del Carnival perfectly and has wonderful landscaping! It's fitting that it should go in Rolling Thunder's old spot, as it will likely end up being an attraction primarily for younger children preparing for the bigger rides.

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^ I'm sure with all the drama that NJ environmental groups are creating over the solar farm project, SFGAdv is going to continue mowing down as many trees as possible, sipping bourbon and singing
as they go.

 

Fixed.

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I just want to clarify something. We don't actually KNOW the stadium and grandstand are being removed. A random guy on GAH's forums is basing this off of two random park employees telling him this. Far and away from actual confirmation.

 

However, what is decent speculation is that the stadium is boarded up. Another decent speculation is that the grandstand is decaying, hasn't been used in years, and the insides where concessions used to be sold are gutted. There are also markings all over the paths in that area. Granted, none of these things are confirmation, but they are enough to give us a strong indication that change is coming to that area.

 

If you plan to one day utilize the grandstand, you don't gut the money making concession stand that is built into it!

 

If it looks like a demolition, acts like a demolition, and sounds like a demolition, there is reason to discuss the potential demolition. Can you imagine if we only discussed things that were explicitly announced? Where would be the fun in that!

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I just posted my El Diablo Media Day report here: http://themeparkreview.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=70308

 

 

I took some time to check out the lake front and have pictures posted in that thread. The markings go from the exit area of Blackbeard's all the way past the Grandstand and down along the fence line by the water heading towards the log flume area. It covers a huge section of land back there. There were also workers in the area surveying and measuring but they told me "we're just marking utilities" when I asked if they had any info on the work being done.

 

I did see big CAT machinery driving around behind the fence between Fort Independence and Blackbeard's so demolition should begin very soon if that is the plan.

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