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The floor only adds like 4 seconds. Definitely does not have a major impact.I only got to the park once this year but Nitro and Bizarro had the worst ride ops. El Toro had fantastic ops. But Bizarro was double train stacking and then some at times. Nitro was mainly single stacked.

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The floor only adds like 4 seconds. Definitely does not have a major impact.I only got to the park once this year but Nitro and Bizarro had the worst ride ops. El Toro had fantastic ops. But Bizarro was double train stacking and then some at times. Nitro was mainly single stacked.

 

Having worked Bizarro, the floors absolutely had a huge impact on intervals. In order to not double stack on Bizarro, you have to dispatch the train in the station while the train on the course is leaving the MCBR. That is very early for a three train running B&M. Nitro can dispatch with a train in the bunny hills and not double stack. And then by the time the next train parks in the station, the train on the lift is already half way up. I'm not saying Bizarro had a good crew (most of the employees there were very slow) but it takes a lot of work to get that thing not to stack with only two people checking the train.

 

And yeah, Nitro's crew was definitely slacking this year as compared to other years. Not sure why, I guess they were just really lazy. lol

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Great Adventure is my home park (well, technically SFNE is but I don't like to talk about that. lol) and I really don't think this park needs any major new attractions in the next few years. I'd love some, don't get me wrong but we already have an awesome coaster lineup and in the last 3 years we've received huge additions.

 

In the last 3 years we've recieved...

 

1) The world's tallest drop tower

2) The best family attraction in the history of Great Adventure which is amazingly popular with everyone (Safari Off Road Adventure)

3) An awesome 242 foot Sky Screamer

4) A new Scrambler

5) New Bumper Cars

6) A Kid's ride (though the ride was in storage and had previously operated at the park).

 

The park has issues but an awesome collection of rides isn't one of them, and those 6 rides are a very diverse group of rides designed to appeal to absolutely everyone. People have been complaining about flats and we got 4 of them, plus one on the way next year... we also got a huge drop tower and Safari which has been a massive success and really is a great attraction.

 

I'd rathe the park work on making what they already have better (fixing the other side of Skyway, new lighting and paint, theming and aesthetic improvements and getting rid of this terrible policy of closing rides early all the time) than get new attractions. Would I love a new coaster? Sure... but do we need one? No.

 

I agree with this. SFGAv has such a great line-up. Living in SoCal, I'd be VERY thankful to have Kingda Ka, El Toro, Nitro, Superman, Zumanjaro, and a few others all at my home park. But then again, Twisted Colossus is coming to me next year and it has got to be the best thing California has received since X2!

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Hey just a random question. I'm going to visit NY next summer and probaply SF GAdv. It's gonna be my first time so does anyone have a few tips (like which attraction has the longest lines, which has really slow loading operations, how should i plan my day) .

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^^That all depends on if the park can get Kingda Ka and Zumanjaro to run together. If not... then Kingda Ka has horrendous operations as they can only launch about 2-3 trains every 10 minutes. You should immediately head to Kingda Ka at opening even before getting a Flash Pass if you want a front seat ride (which you do because it's amazing in the front and mediocre and rough everywhere else... seriously, you want a front seat ride. Riding it anywhere else is a waste of time).

 

Then get the Flash Pass and lines won't be an issue for the rest of the day. Superman always has a long, slow moving line but with the Flash Pass it doesn't really matter... especially because when you're waiting in the station you can be virtually waiting for something else. Operations are generally very good at Great Adventure and the longest you'll wait for anything besides Kingda Ka and Zumanjaro is probably 45 minutes to an hour even on the busiest summer day. Keep in mind that Safari Off Road Adventure is a cool experience but if you do it you need to set aside at least 90 minutes to 2 hours once you get on the ride so whether or not you ride it is totally up to you and what you want to see while at the park. I can't recommend it enough but if you only have one day and coasters are your focus then I understand skipping it.

 

As far as non coaster rides (besides Safari) I highly recommend Houdini, Sky Screamer (though the same exact ride exists in a lot of other places), the Log Flume, Zumanjaro and for their historic value the Skyway (which is the only operating double Skyway in the U.S. and came from the New York World's Fair and the parachutes as it's the only parachute drop left in the country.

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^Buy a Platinum Flash Pass. Enjoy your day.

 

Haha thanks, i think i'm gonna buy the gold one.

^^That all depends on if the park can get Kingda Ka and Zumanjaro to run together. If not... then Kingda Ka has horrendous operations as they can only launch about 2-3 trains every 10 minutes. You should immediately head to Kingda Ka at opening even before getting a Flash Pass if you want a front seat ride (which you do because it's amazing in the front and mediocre and rough everywhere else... seriously, you want a front seat ride. Riding it anywhere else is a waste of time).

 

Then get the Flash Pass and lines won't be an issue for the rest of the day. Superman always has a long, slow moving line but with the Flash Pass it doesn't really matter... especially because when you're waiting in the station you can be virtually waiting for something else. Operations are generally very good at Great Adventure and the longest you'll wait for anything besides Kingda Ka and Zumanjaro is probably 45 minutes to an hour even on the busiest summer day. Keep in mind that Safari Off Road Adventure is a cool experience but if you do it you need to set aside at least 90 minutes to 2 hours once you get on the ride so whether or not you ride it is totally up to you and what you want to see while at the park. I can't recommend it enough but if you only have one day and coasters are your focus then I understand skipping it.

 

As far as non coaster rides (besides Safari) I highly recommend Houdini, Sky Screamer (though the same exact ride exists in a lot of other places), the Log Flume, Zumanjaro and for their historic value the Skyway (which is the only operating double Skyway in the U.S. and came from the New York World's Fair and the parachutes as it's the only parachute drop left in the country.

Thank you so much ,that was exactly the kinda answer i was looking for . But can't you decide where you wanna sit on Kingda Ka?

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Yes... but waiting for the front will add an hour to your wait time at least (even with the Flash Pass since it's all in the station) with the new operating procedures which is why I'd book it to Kingda Ka as soon as the park opens so you can avoid that. But seriously... ride it in the front, even if you do have to wait an extra hour.

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Ok thanks. Btw since SF AGdv is your home park, how are the operations on ZDoD?

And if kingdaka can only send 3 trains every 10 minutes woudn't the capacity be about 300 p/h (which is extremely low ,especially for a huge park)

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Operations on Zumanjaro are some of the best in the park. They really try to pump out the riders.

 

Unfortunately, that does have a negative effect on Kingda Ka since it can only run trains while Zumanjaro isn't in a run cycle. While I think 2-3 trains every ten minutes is a bit of an exaggeration, it has had an impact on its capacity. I'd say that Ka can get roughly two trains sent in between each of Zumanjaro's cycles, which are about 1.5 minutes each.

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Kingda Ka's capacity has been cut in half since the addition of zumanjaro. and many of the other rides operations are pretty terrible, since for the most part, all the coasters are run with min staffing. usually except for Green lantern and Ka. get the platinum flash pass. its totally worth it. the worst ride in bizarro. they stack 3 trains all the time, the 2014 bizarro crew stunk, and nitros wasn't so good either. hopefully 2015 is a lot better.

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Operations on Zumanjaro are some of the best in the park. They really try to pump out the riders.

 

Unfortunately, that does have a negative effect on Kingda Ka since it can only run trains while Zumanjaro isn't in a run cycle. While I think 2-3 trains every ten minutes is a bit of an exaggeration, it has had an impact on its capacity. I'd say that Ka can get roughly two trains sent in between each of Zumanjaro's cycles, which are about 1.5 minutes each.

 

Depending on the crews they can send 2-3 but every time I've gone it's been 1. This is a testament to the Zumanjaro crew but unfortunately I wish they'd slow down a little and let Kingda Ka send at least the 2 trains that are loaded and ready between cycles. When we were there last year they were averaging 3 trains every 10 minutes... I swear I'm not exaggerating and it was no fault of either crew.

 

Overall I think Great Adventure has great operations. They're not as fast as a park like Cedar Point but that's more a staffing issue than anything. The operators they do have are almost always really good and every coaster usually runs all of it's trains (except Kingda Ka which doesn't have a reason to). Bizarro is the one exception, that crew is flat out brutal.

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Well... one problem is that they're understaffed... they only have one person on each side checking the train. But the bigger problem is that they talk to eachother and screw around all the time to the point where they don't usually even open the gates until the train on the course is in the mid course. I wish they'd just run 2 trains because they stack for so long that they don't even need the third.

 

Luckily that's not typical of Great Adventure. Most of the crews are great and usually they seem to enjoy their jobs. Nitro generally has a great crew (though last year it was just okay) and rides like El Toro and Kingda Ka are always on point. Unfortunately Kingda Ka gets slowed down by Zumanjaro and El Toro gets slowed down by the lap bar sensors that require the operators to constantly go back and re-check entire cars to make sure the bars are down all the way. They do the best they can though.

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What makes the bizarro crew so bad? Do they just take their time? Or do they talk to the other ops and get distracted?

 

They take their sweet time. And it is harder to hit cycle times on that ride due to the floors cause they actually slow down dispatches more than you would think. I think I mentioned this earlier in the thread but in order to not double stack, you have to dispatch when the train on the course is leaving the MCBR. Any later than that and then the train double stacks. Dispatching that early is completely doable with only two people on the train. Me and a few others were pretty good at it, but most of the Bizarro crew did not care enough. lol

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^ Yea, it seems like the main problem is finding staff motivated enough to get through the cycle quick enough. It's definitely doable with only two people and a ride-op, but it seems as though everyone involved needs to be hustling and really on top of their game the entire time, something which not everyone is willing to do. I really wish the park would just staff more, at least on busier days, but that most likely won't be happening.

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Great Adventure is very hit-or-miss with ride operations. ON a few of their top tier rides (El Toro, Nitro, Kingda Ka) they are amazing. Most other rides are typical Six Flags speed. (Especially Superman. Are 4-minute dispatches seriously the best they can do?

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Bizarro would be better off running 2 trains, they would save the wear and tear of running the 3rd train and with the double stacking, the 3rd train doesn't help at all. The few times I have seen the ride running 2 trains, it seemed to work better with little to no stacking.

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Great Adventure is very hit-or-miss with ride operations. ON a few of their top tier rides (El Toro, Nitro, Kingda Ka) they are amazing. Most other rides are typical Six Flags speed. (Especially Superman. Are 4-minute dispatches seriously the best they can do?

 

No way, I've seen Superman run without any stacking in the past but in the recent years crews haven't hustled like they used to.

 

Shoulder harnesses with no seat belts and only two people checking the train? That sounds like a lot of fun.

 

Lol it's even worse when you're trying to roll trains and you get to an empty seat where you have to pull down the restraint and fasten the seatbelt. It gets aggravating quick.

 

Bizarro would be better off running 2 trains, they would save the wear and tear of running the 3rd train and with the double stacking, the 3rd train doesn't help at all. The few times I have seen the ride running 2 trains, it seemed to work better with little to no stacking.

 

2 trains is really all Bizarro needs most of the time since it rarely has a line but having 3 trains kind of forces you to hustle a little more. Trust me, if the ride only ran 2 trains everyday, the slow crew members would probably work even slower and the stacking would be worse. Plus having 3 trains gives you the chance to run at a higher capacity if the crew takes advantage of that.

 

Also Batman had a phenomenal crew this year, especially towards the end of the year. They hit one million riders before Toro did I'm pretty sure.

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Lol it's even worse when you're trying to roll trains and you get to an empty seat where you have to pull down the restraint and fasten the seatbelt. It gets aggravating quick.

 

I wasn't being sarcastic (unusual for me...). That sounds fun. I loathe waiting for other operators and just checking harnesses and harness straps is easy and fast.

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Also Batman had a phenomenal crew this year, especially towards the end of the year. They hit one million riders before Toro did I'm pretty sure.

 

I was really impressed with how fast they were dispatching trains at Batman during Fright Fest. There were times the line was past the tunnel and sometimes into the park area (without the covered switchbacks being used) and it was only a 15 minute wait.

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This year was a pretty good year for ride crews. One thing that always bothers me is at the Nitro station the line at the gates gets so long and over crowded its crazy. They need someone there to limit it like at superman kingda ka and El Toro.

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