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Does this really only use one lifting motor and one drum for the cable? That seems quite impractical to me. Most towers have separate lifting mechanisms for each separate car, so when one breaks, the rest of the ride still works!

 

From all the pictures, it appears as though all three towers share the loading area. Without separate loading areas, maintenance would be unable to work on a tower that was down while the other 2 are still operating. I'm guessing Six Flags could choose 2 towers with separate load areas or 3 towers with one loading area, and Six Flags opted for the 3 tower design.

 

Only having one motor also cuts down on parts needed and I'm guessing it takes less time to inspect as opposed to 3 motors, which helps save labor costs and cuts down on daily inspection times.

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So Zumanjaro has been neutered from the start... Come on, what are the chances that somebody will be hit by an article while climbing the tower? I understand the roofs, but do they REALLY have to stop Ka whenever Zumanjaro goes? You have the lifting device above the gondolas, and I doubt that somebody will drop an article on the face of a rider in the 5 seconds that the ride drops without the lifter overhead.

 

But...this doesn't neuter the ride at all. The on-ride experience is exactly the same, second for second.

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So Zumanjaro has been neutered from the start... Come on, what are the chances that somebody will be hit by an article while climbing the tower? I understand the roofs, but do they REALLY have to stop Ka whenever Zumanjaro goes? You have the lifting device above the gondolas, and I doubt that somebody will drop an article on the face of a rider in the 5 seconds that the ride drops without the lifter overhead.

 

But...this doesn't neuter the ride at all. The on-ride experience is exactly the same, second for second.

 

It has been neutered in terms of capacity (along with KK) and you don't get the added effect of a coaster train passing you (like you do on LL:DoD.) I do know that LL:DoD sways more than any other drop tower I've experienced even without S:EFK launching - does Z:DoD sway?

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^ Seeing how much you complain about the state government in NJ, just move. Give California a try if you don't like stupid government decisions.

 

Also, what's this I hear about Ka's restraints? Have they gotten the I-305 vests? Or are you guys calling those stiff bars a vest?

 

I don't live in NJ (I'm Ohioan.) But they seem even more controlling on amusement parks than CA. I'm sure there's some way a rider on the outside edge of SEFK could toss items at LL riders, but CA didn't force timing like this.

 

I'm pretty sure that if you offered to pay the insurance premium differential, Six Flags would change the ride.

Well, is it an issue of SF not being able to pay for the insurance to run both rides at once?... If so, I now understand the claims that cf is better off financially than SF.

 

Also, shouldn't the park have realized that issues like this could've occurred *BEFORE* building the ride? I always thought parks had to look into stuff like this before they even broke ground.

 

In regards to the restraints, I was referring to the fact that TTD just uses lapbars, whereas Ka doesn't. I remember reading somewhere that GAdv wasn't allowed to use the TTD style restraints, & therefore had to come up with the ones found on Ka.

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I'm first catching up to the thread now. I think that the roof is a smart idea, but bad that it makes waiting times longer. In average, how much longer is between Kk's dispatches?

 

My nerdy self was timing KK launches on my break. While Zumanjaro was loading, they'd launch a train every 55-60 seconds but when Zumanjaro was running, it could take 2 to 3 minutes for the next Ka train to launch while it waited for Zumanjaro. From working Zumanjaro yesterday, it seemed that it wasn't interrupted at all by Ka but Ka definitely takes the hit since it can load trains much more quickly.

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Just got off of Zumanjaro today after my shift. I rode four times. Let me tell you that the single rider line is so helpful! I could easily hop on whenever I wanted to. I enjoyed the drop, but I do prefer Demon Drop at Dorney. Being that high up really added a lot to the experience.

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So I wonder what the long term plan is then... It makes sense that the "New Hotness" would take top bidding with capacity, but when both rides are no longer new and are pulling about the same amount of people in the lark, I wonder how they will run it then...

 

Hopefully by then, the state will allow both rides to run at the same time so Ka isn't affected by Zumanjaro anymore. GADV is still fighting the state about this.

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So I wonder what the long term plan is then... It makes sense that the "New Hotness" would take top bidding with capacity, but when both rides are no longer new and are pulling about the same amount of people in the lark, I wonder how they will run it then...

 

Hopefully by then, the state will allow both rides to run at the same time so Ka isn't affected by Zumanjaro anymore. GADV is still fighting the state about this.

 

don't plan on the state to ever allow it, 9 yrs later, Ka never went back to the original layout of the que and guest viewing area.

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So I wonder what the long term plan is then... It makes sense that the "New Hotness" would take top bidding with capacity, but when both rides are no longer new and are pulling about the same amount of people in the lark, I wonder how they will run it then...

 

Hopefully by then, the state will allow both rides to run at the same time so Ka isn't affected by Zumanjaro anymore. GADV is still fighting the state about this.

 

don't plan on the state to ever allow it, 9 yrs later, Ka never went back to the original layout of the que and guest viewing area.

 

And you know for a fact that Six Flags has been fighting this for 9 years?

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So showed up at the park today at 10am.....moved quickly through Security/Ticket Gates (nice job SFGA)- and "strategically" got right up front (on the rope), with good intent to be one of the 1st on Zumajaro this morning. I didn't know that Season Pass Holders "got a break" and were allowed ahead of the crowd around 10:20am- so I took advantage of that, and landed approx. #40 on line. So- I waited, waited, waited....no Zumajaro running. Long story short- I gave up on the line, hit El Toro (front seat) and headed home....disappointed to take a few hours at the park this morning, and not be able to get on Zumajaro.

 

I'm fine with working out kinks, safety precautions, etc.....however- I'd like the park to be upfront with when the ride was going to open (stupid me figured it would be up and running at 10:30am....I should know better!).....instead of letting a long line build, with no explanation, and frustrated guests.

 

Thanks for listening!

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So I wonder what the long term plan is then... It makes sense that the "New Hotness" would take top bidding with capacity, but when both rides are no longer new and are pulling about the same amount of people in the lark, I wonder how they will run it then...

 

Hopefully by then, the state will allow both rides to run at the same time so Ka isn't affected by Zumanjaro anymore. GADV is still fighting the state about this.

 

don't plan on the state to ever allow it, 9 yrs later, Ka never went back to the original layout of the que and guest viewing area.

 

What happened to KK's queue? Was it like TTD's today? Wasn't it due to an incident during testing or the early days of operation?

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The original queue had multiple sets of switchbacks and went into the middle of the ride area. There was also a viewing area. There are a few pictures of it here: http://www.gadv.com/forums/topic/7133-kks-old-queue/page-16

 

They stopped using it due to an incident in I think June 2005.

 

Was that state-mandated or a SF decision? TTD at CP has a queue right under the launch track and guests can get a few feet away from it across a "chain link" type fence that definitely would not stop shards of metal or a snapping cable. (On another note, TTD has had its cable fray once, injuring some people on the train.) Didn't somebody get their eye poked out by a shard of metal at the KK incident? I could have sworn I heard that somewhere. I also heard that the line was closed in part not just because of the incident, but also because of loose change, etc.

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I think it was a state decision. If I remember correctly, the incident happened during a test run and there were no riders.

 

I meant a bystander got struck.

 

By the way, does NJ have the most strict "safety" regulations of any state? Or does that "honor" go to California or some other state?

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I think it was a state decision. If I remember correctly, the incident happened during a test run and there were no riders.

 

I meant a bystander got struck.

 

By the way, does NJ have the most strict "safety" regulations of any state? Or does that "honor" go to California or some other state?

I'm not sure about it having the most strict safety regulations, but I'd imagine they're pretty strict. As someone in Canada (i've heard we have some relatively strict regulations when it comes to rides), this seems like overkill. At my home park, they'll allow guests to walk pretty much under Leviathan, during parts of the ride where it's running from 60-90+ mph.

 

I'm not blaming this on the state tho, IMO, it was the park's fault. It was pretty stupid on the park's part for not checking into things like this. I always thought parks had to check with local regulations and provincial/state governments before they even started building, but I guess SF's exempt from this Even worse, this isn't the first time SF's run into trouble with local regulations... Remember SFDK's V2?

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I think it was a state decision. If I remember correctly, the incident happened during a test run and there were no riders.

 

I meant a bystander got struck.

 

By the way, does NJ have the most strict "safety" regulations of any state? Or does that "honor" go to California or some other state?

I'm not sure about it having the most strict safety regulations, but I'd imagine they're pretty strict. As someone in Canada (i've heard we have some relatively strict regulations when it comes to rides), this seems like overkill. At my home park, they'll allow guests to walk pretty much under Leviathan, during parts of the ride where it's running from 60-90+ mph.

 

I'm not blaming this on the state tho, IMO, it was the park's fault. It was pretty stupid on the park's part for not checking into things like this. I always thought parks had to check with local regulations and provincial/state governments before they even started building, but I guess SF's exempt from this Even worse, this isn't the first time SF's run into trouble with local regulations... Remember SFDK's V2?

 

Yeppers. Six Flags doesn't like following rules.

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Kind of off topic but question for the regular park goers (which I am apparently becoming one of). How should I expect crowds to be on Tuesday and Wednesdays the next few weeks (keep in mind the bring a friend free special starting today for weekdays the next three weeks).

 

A buddy and I are planning on taking a hooky day and using the special, probably next week and it seems to me like the most dead days during mid-summer are Tuesday and Wednesdays. Is that fair to assume? Id really like to not have to spend the $ on a flash pass - but would if I had to.

 

Sucks having a job where I *have* to have someone cover my shift, as I have to plan out a specific day and then I'm just hawking the weather forecasts all week but I'll ride in a poncho if I have to. Obviously just don't want a day of T-storms where nothing is running.

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Kind of off topic but question for the regular park goers (which I am apparently becoming one of). How should I expect crowds to be on Tuesday and Wednesdays the next few weeks (keep in mind the bring a friend free special starting today for weekdays the next three weeks).

 

A buddy and I are planning on taking a hooky day and using the special, probably next week and it seems to me like the most dead days during mid-summer are Tuesday and Wednesdays. Is that fair to assume? Id really like to not have to spend the $ on a flash pass - but would if I had to.

 

Sucks having a job where I *have* to have someone cover my shift, as I have to plan out a specific day and then I'm just hawking the weather forecasts all week but I'll ride in a poncho if I have to. Obviously just don't want a day of T-storms where nothing is running.

 

I'd say Tuesday or Wednesday is a good bet.

 

I went the 5th and Zumanjaro was only a 45min wait (at about 6pm) via the single rider line. If you don't mind going this route, there is no reason you can't get on every coaster, with multiple rides on a couple of them. Especially if you hit up the GL single rider line as well, which can cut about 20-25min off the regular wait time. Toro, Nitro, and B:TR all have quick moving lines, and Bizarro rarely ever has a line. That leaves only S:UF and KK as potential roadblocks.

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I think it was a state decision. If I remember correctly, the incident happened during a test run and there were no riders.

 

I meant a bystander got struck.

 

By the way, does NJ have the most strict "safety" regulations of any state? Or does that "honor" go to California or some other state?

I'm not sure about it having the most strict safety regulations, but I'd imagine they're pretty strict. As someone in Canada (i've heard we have some relatively strict regulations when it comes to rides), this seems like overkill. At my home park, they'll allow guests to walk pretty much under Leviathan, during parts of the ride where it's running from 60-90+ mph.

 

I'm not blaming this on the state tho, IMO, it was the park's fault. It was pretty stupid on the park's part for not checking into things like this. I always thought parks had to check with local regulations and provincial/state governments before they even started building, but I guess SF's exempt from this Even worse, this isn't the first time SF's run into trouble with local regulations... Remember SFDK's V2?

 

Yeppers. Six Flags doesn't like following rules.

 

Oh yeah, & who can forget the fingerprint-scanning issue @ La Ronde?... Yet another example

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http://www.nj.com/ocean/index.ssf/2014/07/bystanders_stop_robber_at_six_flags_hurricane_harbor_police_say.html

 

Bystanders stop robber at Six Flags Hurricane Harbor, police say

 

JACKSON – A robber was thwarted when bystanders and family members of the victim chased down the assailant at Six Flags Hurricane Harbor on Sunday until police could arrive, authorities said.

 

Police said the victim reported that he had made a purchase inside the park and Gary Troxel, 20, of New Egypt, saw that he had a large amount of cash on him.

 

When the victim was near the exit, Troxel tried to talk to him, pushed him and stole the cash from his cargo pants pocket, police said. The victim suffered a minor foot injury during a short struggle, police said.

 

Troxel ran into the parking lot and the victim yelled for help while both family members and bystanders gave chase, police said. The robber got into a car of someone he knew in the parking lot, police said.

 

The bystanders and family members blocked the vehicle and prevented it from leaving the scene, police said.

 

Police searched the vehicle and found a small amount of heroin, authorities said. Police said the victim did not know the alleged robber.

 

Both Troxel and the driver, James Towles Jr., 40, of New Egypt, were arrested, police said. At police headquarters, Troxel tried to discard two hypodermic syringes but they were found, authorities said.

 

Troxel was charged with robbery, theft, possession of heroin and possession of hypodermic syringes. He was taken to the Ocean County jail in lieu of $35,000 bail, police said.

 

Towles was charged with possession of heroin and was released on a summons pending a court appearance, police said.

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