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You would no this If any of you have ever rode Millie at CP.

 

That's a terrible example. El Toro and Expedition GeForce would be better examples... but really if people think seat belts will ruin airtime then they're just going out of their way to find things to complain about. The only problem with the belts will be increased dispatch times.

 

Edit: I'm in the minority of people that think MF does have a decent amount of airtime if you ride near the back of the train but I don't think of it as an airtime coaster.

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Not that I've ridden it without, but Id have a hard time believing the seat belts affect the airtime on El Toro. In fact I'm not sure I'd want to ride without them.

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I don't get how people think belts limit airtime. There are two simple ways around a situation where the staff tightens your belt or asks you too.

1 - As you leave the station, loosen the belt.

2 - take off the seat belt.

 

DONE!

Not sure how easy that would be with the shape of B&M's lapbars. With the buzz bars on older wooden coaster it might me simple but on nitro I wouldn't be do sure.

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If there's a will, there's a way.

 

Your right, it may be difficult on B&M hyper's, but I imagine you could grab the belts on each separate strap, and attempt to shimmy it loose - I bet that would work, I also think I could jam my fingers down by my waist and manage to get it off(button or the flip lock, I'd manage I think)(suck it, push the belt into you---- there's more than one way to make space down there). I don't need a seat belt specifically on a B&M hyper.

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Getting on to the topic of the park. Since cedar fair has been putting belts I their B&M hypers, would six flags do the same with theirs? Belts would really ruin some airtime I would imagine.

 

I highly doubt it. I've heard seatbelts were attempted on Nitro it's opening year but they were quickly removed when they were proven to be unnecessary. Hopefully the same happens with the Cedar Fair B&M hypers. Here's a pic from coastergallery.com when Nitro first opened. Those little black knob things are the seatbelts.

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^Not a very usual type of seatbelt.

Hopefully the same happens with the Cedar Fair B&M hypers.

I'm not sure, on Nitro they probably came with the ride and then were considered unnecessary. But with if CF decided to add them after the rides opened I'm sure they have their own reasons and probably it won't be easy to change their minds.

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I'm not sure, on Nitro they probably came with the ride and then were considered unnecessary. But with if CF decided to add them after the rides opened I'm sure they have their own reasons and probably it won't be easy to change their minds.

 

It probably won't be easy to change their minds but we should. haha It's a shame to see roller coasters with the best capacities in the industry shrink in half practically. If the seatbelts stay, hopefully employees become more in the groove of loading those trains. At El Toro, we can check seatbelts and lapbars at the same time due to the design of the trains. For the hypers though, it doesn't appear that seatbelts can be checked with the lapbars due to the seats B&M uses.

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Getting on to the topic of the park. Since cedar fair has been putting belts I their B&M hypers, would six flags do the same with theirs? Belts would really ruin some airtime I would imagine.

 

just what SFGadv needs to make the lines even longer. it wouldn't surprise me if the added them

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Getting on to the topic of the park. Since cedar fair has been putting belts I their B&M hypers, would six flags do the same with theirs? Belts would really ruin some airtime I would imagine.

 

just what SFGadv needs to make the lines even longer. it wouldn't surprise me if the added them

 

I highly doubt it. Great Adventure already tried seatbelts on Nitro which didn't work out. Look on the past page to see a picture. And about belts ruining airtime, I doubt it. Millennium Force offers similar airtime that Nitro does but the airtime can still be felt with the seatbelts. Lapbars are more restrictive than seatbelts.

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Just to clear this up, airtime is the sensation of being forced into the restraint, not specifically being lifted off the seat. You are absolutely stapled on El Toro and have seatbelt, and the airtime certainly is not lacking or restricted. Adding the seatbelts serves the same purpose as lap bars, but neither restrict the uplift forces that push you into your restraint. Think of it this way: The measured negative g's are not reduced by seatbelts, are they?

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Just to clear this up, airtime is the sensation of being forced into the restraint, not specifically being lifted off the seat.

 

No airtime is when your butt actually leaves the seat. Being forced into a restraint without your butt leaving the seat is not airtime.

 

Airtime = time in the air. If you don't leave the seat there is not airtime.

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No airtime is when your butt actually leaves the seat. Being forced into a restraint without your butt leaving the seat is not airtime.

 

Airtime = time in the air. If you don't leave the seat there is not airtime.

 

Very well said To me, there is a clear difference between "uplift forces/negative G's" and "airtime." Both are nice, but airtime rules.

 

It's a trade off with some new coasters. You get super intense rip your face off rides like I-305, El Toro and Skyrush, but you basically have to staple people to the seat for safety. All great rides for what they do.

 

And then there's Cyclops.

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Just to clear this up, airtime is the sensation of being forced into the restraint, not specifically being lifted off the seat.

 

No airtime is when your butt actually leaves the seat. Being forced into a restraint without your butt leaving the seat is not airtime.

 

Airtime = time in the air. If you don't leave the seat there is not airtime.

 

This.

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No airtime is when your butt actually leaves the seat. Being forced into a restraint without your butt leaving the seat is not airtime.

 

Airtime = time in the air. If you don't leave the seat there is not airtime.

 

Very well said To me, there is a clear difference between "uplift forces/negative G's" and "airtime." Both are nice, but airtime rules.

 

It's a trade off with some new coasters. You get super intense rip your face off rides like I-305, El Toro and Skyrush, but you basically have to staple people to the seat for safety. All great rides for what they do.

 

And then there's Cyclops.

I get what you're both saying, but I'm not sure I completely agree. On El Toro, with seatbelts and being stapled (and no wiggle room for me- I'm a thin guy), I don't think I was ever completely lifted off my seat in a way that at least part of my butt wasn't touching the seat that does otherwise. I felt much lighter in the seat coming down the hills as I was being forced into the lap bar, but I don't think you (or at least me) actually aren't in contact with the seat. The same goes for I-305. On the first airtime hill, you feel the sensation of negative g's, which we have acknowledged, but I felt that the OTSR's were too tight on my shoulders and thighs that I stayed in my seat.

 

There is no measurable difference between "airtime" and negative g's. In my opinion, they are the same thing, just with airtime, you are theoretically above your seat. I've always believed that this usually isn't the case, but more of a perception of leaving your seat that becomes intensified with greater negative g's. I'm not saying I'm right and you're wrong, just that I believe "airtime" only occurs when the restraints are loose enough to allow you to leave your seat, which isn't the case (for me) on El Toro and I-305 (Haven't gotten to riding Skyrush. I'd love to though).

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IMO airtime simply deals with negative G's. Rides like El Toro and Skyrush are airtime machines despite 95% of their riders physically not able to have their butts leave the seats.

 

With that said, it is a plus when the restraints do allow this movement, as "literal" airtime is uniquely exciting. That is why I always slide up an inch or two while the op's check the restraints; it negates even the most extreme stapling (DISCLAIMER- do this at your own risk, especially if you fall under the skinny or overweight categories).

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Just to clear this up, airtime is the sensation of being forced into the restraint, not specifically being lifted off the seat.

 

No airtime is when your butt actually leaves the seat. Being forced into a restraint without your butt leaving the seat is not airtime.

 

Airtime = time in the air. If you don't leave the seat there is not airtime.

 

I completely disagree with this. By your definition Skyrush has no airtime (If you think this, you're very mistaken...). Your definition of "airtime" is arbitrary and merely depends of tightness of the restraint and can vary person to person, even on the same cycle.

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