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P. 767: WinterFest Media Night Report

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Wait, so Intimidator 305 is running but the temperature controlled, indoor launch coaster right in front of it that could run in all weather is closed for a Christmas event in Virginia? I'm confused.

 

Also one thing to remember about these events is that the core demographic is families. I'd love I305 night rides in December more than anything in the world, but I think opening the grove and closing safari village makes way more sense, especially because it's easier to cut the path off. Rides like the Troika and swings would be really popular during this event and require way less staffing than something like I305. Your plan would also require an unbelievable amount of temporary walls / fencing. Generally they try to cut off paths where it's easy to do so.

 

And like I said, the RMC could be open giving enthusiasts their thrill fix.

 

However I would imagine I305 would be lit up for decoration.

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Sounds weird, but yeah. FoF has an additional staffing requirement of two due to its separate unload platform

 

I don't think it really matters anyway because I don't think they'll ever go back that far, but if they open I305 and not Flight of Fear I'd be shocked. That thing would be slammed simply because it has heat and a partially indoor / heated queue area. Still, I give that and I305 approximately a 0% chance of operating based solely on location. I hope I'm wrong of course

 

You may well be right, families are a big draw. But with your plan, considering Twisted Timbers likely won't be open for this winter, that leaves families and holiday enthusiasts as the only draw since there are one or two adult-sized coasters left open.

 

This will likely be a 2018 thing. Kings Island, Great America, Carowinds and Worlds of Fun announced Winterfest over a year in advance. That seems to be Cedar Fair's way of doing things. My plan (which is admittedly ambitious) would include Dominator, Rebel Yell, Ricochet, Twisted Timbers and the kids stuff. That's a much better coaster offering than Busch Gardens or Six Flags America (if you take into account quality and not just quantity).

 

Plus, I don't think they care all that much about thrill-seekers. Great America only has 2 adult coasters open and the park up the street is year-round, all indications are that Kings Island will be around the same number, Worlds of Fun confirmed that they were only planning to run Spinning Dragons and Patriot. Cedar Fair seems to put less of a premium on coasters than Six Flags for their holiday events though the sample size so far is admittedly limited.

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Its not that certain sections of I305 are inaccessible to Fast Lane users, its that the line for the front row gets so long by mid day, it can be 20+ riders long while other rows are a walk on or one - two train wait at the most. FL for I305 dumps you out at the back row. You can still access the front row, you may just have to weave around other riders and back track through the queue to get there.

 

As Chuck mentioned, you really shouldn't need Fast Lane on a Friday in late August. I would hit the park and see how the crowds are before purchasing. KD might have one train ops on all coasters if it anticipates light crowds, so that could increase wait times. I would hit Volcano first (sometimes it opens later than 10:30am, FYI), then I305 for Front Row and a couple of rerides, then FoF, BLSC, then I would hit the rest of the park and return to I305 later in the day. Unfortunately, the park closes at 8pm this Friday, so night rides on I305 won't be possible.

 

Have fun!

 

This is excellent information. Thank you very much! Now I'm just hoping the weather holds out, it's looking to be 50% chance of rain ALL DAY on Friday. Hopefully the threat of rain can hold off even more of the crowds. I've got family stuff Sat./Sun. and BGW for the first time ever on Monday, so no room to reschedule. Maybe I could flip BGW on Friday and do KD on Monday. Sweet Baby Ray's Sauce, I'm freaking excited!! Rain or shine, I don't care I'm finally getting to these parks!

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Wait, so Intimidator 305 is running but the temperature controlled, indoor launch coaster right in front of it that could run in all weather is closed for a Christmas event in Virginia? I'm confused.

 

Sounds weird, but yeah. FoF has an additional staffing requirement of two due to its separate unload platform, and is of similar intensity to Dominator.

 

Also one thing to remember about these events is that the core demographic is families. I'd love I305 night rides in December more than anything in the world, but I think opening the grove and closing safari village makes way more sense, especially because it's easier to cut the path off. Rides like the Troika and swings would be really popular during this event and require way less staffing than something like I305. Your plan would also require an unbelievable amount of temporary walls / fencing. Generally they try to cut off paths where it's easy to do so.

 

You may well be right, families are a big draw. But with your plan, considering Twisted Timbers likely won't be open for this winter, that leaves families and holiday enthusiasts as the only draw since there are one or two adult-sized coasters left open.

 

Either way, I agree, it will be interesting to see what they do.

I305 has more crew than FoF, to my best recollection.

I305: 1 booth op, 4 restraint ops (1 at each corner)

FoF: 1 booth op, 3 restraint ops (1 on each side to load, 1 at unload)

Personally, I think coasterbill is right, and we shouldn't expect more than 1-2 coasters to be open, if at all. Dominator is the most logical choice, especially since the activities will center on the fountain-turned-giant ice skating rink ( ) on Int'l St. I would say FoF for the other, as it will put the least stress on the climate-controlled ride, but that does require opening large swaths of Safari Village. We may just have Dominator, although I'd be fine with that as it would essentially be offseason ride time. Keep in mind that KD opens the earliest of any of the Winterfest parks (late March/early April), so the maintenance turnaround might eliminate the winter coaster prospects.

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Wait, so Intimidator 305 is running but the temperature controlled, indoor launch coaster right in front of it that could run in all weather is closed for a Christmas event in Virginia? I'm confused.

 

Sounds weird, but yeah. FoF has an additional staffing requirement of two due to its separate unload platform, and is of similar intensity to Dominator.

 

Also one thing to remember about these events is that the core demographic is families. I'd love I305 night rides in December more than anything in the world, but I think opening the grove and closing safari village makes way more sense, especially because it's easier to cut the path off. Rides like the Troika and swings would be really popular during this event and require way less staffing than something like I305. Your plan would also require an unbelievable amount of temporary walls / fencing. Generally they try to cut off paths where it's easy to do so.

 

You may well be right, families are a big draw. But with your plan, considering Twisted Timbers likely won't be open for this winter, that leaves families and holiday enthusiasts as the only draw since there are one or two adult-sized coasters left open.

 

Either way, I agree, it will be interesting to see what they do.

I305 has more crew than FoF, to my best recollection.

I305: 1 booth op, 4 restraint ops (1 at each corner)

FoF: 1 booth op, 3 restraint ops (1 on each side to load, 1 at unload)

Personally, I think coasterbill is right, and we shouldn't expect more than 1-2 coasters to be open, if at all. Dominator is the most logical choice, especially since the activities will center on the fountain-turned-giant ice skating rink ( ) on Int'l St. I would say FoF for the other, as it will put the least stress on the climate-controlled ride, but that does require opening large swaths of Safari Village. We may just have Dominator, although I'd be fine with that as it would essentially be offseason ride time. Keep in mind that KD opens the earliest of any of the Winterfest parks (late March/early April), so the maintenance turnaround might eliminate the winter coaster prospects.

 

My expectations will be better adjusted once KI's Winterfest is in the books in January. My expectations are Congo will probably be closed IMO... And 305 only needs 3 ride ops minimum sooooo.... The only rides I expect to operate during Winterfest would be most flats, and maybe Dominator is the temp is high enough... BGW operates only launchers now for a reason.

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I'm only going to say this once...

 

We will be posting the announcement tomorrow as soon as the materials are available to us.

 

PLEASE DO NOT POST ANY LINKS OR IMAGES TO THE ANNOUNCEMENT BEFORE TPR DOES!

 

Anyone who does this will be banned forever from Theme Park Review.

 

Let me explain...

 

Posting the new ride information before we can do it actually creates MORE WORK for us as most of the time people who come on our forum and post info about a new ride will do a crappy job of it and then we have to not only do the work we are going to do to make a proper post about the new ride, but also clean up the garbage posts that people make.

 

No one here will get any extra points or look any "cooler" for being "first" to post the information. We aren't about being first we are about having good quality content. Please respect that. Thank you.

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I'm only going to say this once...

 

We will be posting the announcement tomorrow as soon as the materials are available to us.

 

PLEASE DO NOT POST ANY LINKS OR IMAGES TO THE ANNOUNCEMENT BEFORE TPR DOES!

 

Anyone who does this will be banned forever from Theme Park Review.

 

Let me explain...

 

Posting the new ride information before we can do it actually creates MORE WORK for us as most of the time people who come on our forum and post info about a new ride will do a crappy job of it and then we have to not only do the work we are going to do to make a proper post about the new ride, but also clean up the garbage posts that people make.

 

No one here will get any extra points or look any "cooler" for being "first" to post the information. We aren't about being first we are about having good quality content. Please respect that. Thank you.

 

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I'm only going to say this once...

 

We will be posting the announcement tomorrow as soon as the materials are available to us.

 

PLEASE DO NOT POST ANY LINKS OR IMAGES TO THE ANNOUNCEMENT BEFORE TPR DOES!

 

Anyone who does this will be banned forever from Theme Park Review.

 

Let me explain...

 

Posting the new ride information before we can do it actually creates MORE WORK for us as most of the time people who come on our forum and post info about a new ride will do a crappy job of it and then we have to not only do the work we are going to do to make a proper post about the new ride, but also clean up the garbage posts that people make.

 

No one here will get any extra points or look any "cooler" for being "first" to post the information. We aren't about being first we are about having good quality content. Please respect that. Thank you.

 

I'll be counting on you guys tomorrow! I'm going to be busy when the announcements come out, but I'll be checking the second I can.

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I always check here first on announcement days. I'll be at work, so following different parks announcements just isn't going to happen. Plus - here I can get them all in the same place, get good information, and it's like Christmas in August! Thanks Robb and the TPR crew for gathering and posting this information for us

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Wait, so Intimidator 305 is running but the temperature controlled, indoor launch coaster right in front of it that could run in all weather is closed for a Christmas event in Virginia? I'm confused.

 

Also one thing to remember about these events is that the core demographic is families. I'd love I305 night rides in December more than anything in the world, but I think opening the grove and closing safari village makes way more sense, especially because it's easier to cut the path off. Rides like the Troika and swings would be really popular during this event and require way less staffing than something like I305. Your plan would also require an unbelievable amount of temporary walls / fencing. Generally they try to cut off paths where it's easy to do so.

 

^Correct and in addition there is more than likely not a staffing issue when it comes to places like Dollywood where the average age of the worker is 40-50. (at least that was our observation) The reason I say this is because I took my family to Dollywood for Smokey Mountain Christmas on Dec 3, 2016 and "ALL" rides were open even the big coasters. My niece's boyfriend had ice chips from his tears after we rode Lightning Rod where the temp was hovering around 27 degrees that night. Completely insane. But with that said, It would be interesting to know if Herschend Family Entertainment makes their own decisions on whether to run coasters in that kind of temperature regardless of manufacturer's recommendations. I have always heard that B&M does not recommend their coasters to run below 40 degrees yet we did in fact ride Wild Eagle that night at around 31 degrees.

side note: the wait for LR was over an hour that night. We had no idea that Dollywood got THAT packed in December. Massive crowds everywhere.

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Wait, so Intimidator 305 is running but the temperature controlled, indoor launch coaster right in front of it that could run in all weather is closed for a Christmas event in Virginia? I'm confused.

 

Also one thing to remember about these events is that the core demographic is families. I'd love I305 night rides in December more than anything in the world, but I think opening the grove and closing safari village makes way more sense, especially because it's easier to cut the path off. Rides like the Troika and swings would be really popular during this event and require way less staffing than something like I305. Your plan would also require an unbelievable amount of temporary walls / fencing. Generally they try to cut off paths where it's easy to do so.

 

^Correct and in addition there is more than likely not a staffing issue when it comes to places like Dollywood where the average age of the worker is 40-50. (at least that was our observation) The reason I say this is because I took my family to Dollywood for Smokey Mountain Christmas on Dec 3, 2016 and "ALL" rides were open even the big coasters. My niece's boyfriend had ice chips from his tears after we rode Lightning Rod where the temp was hovering around 27 degrees that night. Completely insane. But with that said, It would be interesting to know if Herschend Family Entertainment makes their own decisions on whether to run coasters in that kind of temperature regardless of manufacturer's recommendations. I have always heard that B&M does not recommend their coasters to run below 40 degrees yet we did in fact ride Wild Eagle that night at around 31 degrees.

side note: the wait for LR was over an hour that night. We had no idea that Dollywood got THAT packed in December. Massive crowds everywhere.

 

In addition to what you're saying (which is absolutely a factor), Dollywood doesn't have staffing issues because they provide consistent hours through the end of December. September is the park's slowest time so they close 2 days a week, in October they're open daily but then close for 6 days to reset for Smoky Mountain Christmas where they run 6 days a week and then every day from 12/12 through 1/1 minus Christmas Eve and Christmas Day. The problem with these other parks is that the hours are terrible. They need people to work weekends only and a limited amount of hours but then magically be available for daily operation between Christmas and New Years.

 

Meanwhile, virtually every retail store in America is looking for holiday help and offering way better and more consistent hours. I guarantee that that's why Great Adventure added those bonus weekends in November. The park is completely dead those days, I assume they're breaking even at best and hoping to grow those incrementally over time with the introduction of insane discounts / special events or something along those lines. They just know that if they close for 3 weeks when everyone else is looking for holiday help and then try to get people to work those hours they'll never do it.

 

As for the temperature thing, Dollywood has eased way up this year once the start up temperature is reached. They claim that the start up temperature for the coasters is 40 degrees and they'll close them at 36 (if there are any Nitro ops on this board they're currently laughing uncontrollably as they should be). Once it gets down to 36 they generally close the rides and run out the lines (so it's possible to get a ride in when it's colder if you're already in line). Last year though, they generally kept running Wild Eagle until it got much colder. In the past, Cedar Fair has followed the 40 / 36 rule chain-wide for most rides though I've seen Carowinds and Kings Dominion bend the rules for their non B&M / Intamin rides. Hopefully they ease up a little after seeing what Six Flags is doing (running every coaster regardless of temperature because they're awesome).

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