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P. 767: WinterFest Media Night Report

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Well if you were thinking of getting an All Season Fast Lane for Kings Dominion but didn't bite the bullet yet, you snooze you lose. Sold Out.

 

First, awesome of them to have obviously put a limit on these things, and also good on them for selling all of them before the season even starts. A lot of people scoffed at this idea, but obviously there is market for it.

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Good. I was feeling like if they were going to sell a lot of them, maybe I should get one after all (Now I'm hoping to use not getting one to help justify starting up a BGW pass or something later on this year).

 

I'm wondering if I'm geeky enough to walk down to see Hurler before even riding anything.

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I missed the beginning or most of the presentation, although I'd think Hurler would be at the end if anything.

 

As well as the missing track and structure section at the bottom of the drop -- which looks like they could go higher, they were limited by the bucket truck -- the track has been removed from after the missing section through the second curve and to the top of the next hill. Looks really different from Grizzly. I didn't make a beeline back there but did ride Ricochet twice to look. There's also a truck hidden behind the coaster, best I can tell the RMC bucket truck. The pile of old track in the boneyard is impressive. Word elsewhere is some new track is onsite.

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To those of you wondering, yes, work has officially begun on Hurler (I've attached some preliminary pre-processing GoPro screen captures for your viewing pleasure below). Specifically, the bottom of the first drop is gone, as in gone gone, footers and all. All but the main structure on the first turn is also gone. Additionally, most of the back-end turnaround has also been removed. Not much work has been done on the rest of the ride to my knowledge.

 

As for how my day went, I arrived at around 5:10 (the park opened at 5 this evening). I would have taken a picture of the redesigned front entrance (finally), but I couldn't owing to the fact that there are new metal detectors, placed in front of the ticket booths. Gone are the turnstiles and bottlenecks inside the entrance plaza, but the aging facade remains. Inside the park, there are a number of new drink-bottle refill stations. After making a beeline for Hurler, I met a handful of fellow enthusiasts clamoring to be the first non-drone operators to get their eyes on the ride being demolished (Hurler, incidentally, is not present on the 2017 park map).

Here are some pictures of the slain beast:

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There is really nothing left of this drop - no footers, nothing. Doesn't seem to bode well for an RMC makeover, IMHO.

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The first turn looks more promising, though.

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Another angle on that turn...

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Who could these "random enthusiasts" be, and why are they here? :) Let's find out what they've seen...

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Nothing to see here... what could they have seen?

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Ahhh.... looks like this thing's getting chipped away from all directions.

Next, I cruised over to Volcano, waited about 15 minutes, and hopped on the second row. In the Volcano queue, there are also now banners advertising FunPix, and the gift shop was remodeled in the offseason. Intimidator was a walk-on all night (bless), and not only were the trains repainted, but there are new OTS restraints, which are essentially thicker versions of the padded OTSes which we were so accustomed too (jury's still out on this one). FoF's facade was repainted. I didn't really get a look at Planet Snoopy due to the impending presentation, but they opened three new rides and a new plaza, and gave away cotton candy, which I missed out on. After killing some time on the free go-karts, I got in line at about 6:15 for the 7:00 presentation, which netted me a spot in the third row and a great spot to film from.

To address this point before various coaster news sources upload their videos (inevitably before mine):

Early on in the presentation, the park's Director of Marketing essentially stated that "they didn't have anything big to talk about at the conference" but that "there will be an exciting formal announcement in the next couple of weeks." Unfortunately, this meant no Hurler news to the disappointment of all attendees, but at least we have a likely timeframe. Other than that, they ran over the various passholder events, announced some new festivals like a new Virginia food festival and a Soak City Beach Party, and gave some preliminary information on ERT and on the new drink bottle system. The Battle for Kings Dominion VR game also got an official preview, which looks awesome. The KD app will also get an update soon to allow you to scan the app as your pass and to roll out wait time tracking, which is a welcome first for KD. Also, free Wi-Fi, and who can argue with that?

 

After one last night ride on I-305, I, and presumably many others, left disappointed that nothing was announced, but hopeful that this upcoming announcement will bring good news to Central Virginia.

 

Of course, we could always get Knotts' Boomerang.

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Ignore my previous question, I got in fine after I got my season pass processed. I was this close to going for the all-season Fast Lane when I ordered online last night, but chose to go Platinum instead for future trip plans.

 

Glad to hear there wasn't anything big at the presentation, I skipped it.

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No mention that there was no mention of anything groundbreaking at the pass holder presentation? Not even a tease? Fool me twice, shame on me

 

1. This was merely a passholder event. The "tragedy" of August 20 was an actual announcement.

 

2. I really like the new Planet Snoopy additions, Battle for KD, and the new Coke station. The updated dining sounds intriguing too. In other words 2017 isn't a complete loss.

 

3. The fact that RMC Hurler is starting this early could mean that this is a pretty large project.

 

Of course, we could always get Knotts' Boomerang.

 

I think I'd rather get a giant plot of land than that.

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Are you sure? Someone said it's not because it's too narrow. I could be wrong though.

Yes; Kings Dominion Connoisseurs FB page is also uploading photos of more I-Box track spotted on trailers today on I-95. It appears that the Iron Hurler track is similar in color to the Iron Mean Streak track. (I would upload a picture of the tractor-trailer, but I don't have the copyright . When I have the Instagram link, I'll upload it here.)

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I sort of feel like this is going to be kind of a small / budget RMC like Storm Chaser. It's really just a gut feeling, I'm not speaking with any authority but I don't expect crazy height increases or anything like that. Maybe I'm wrong, but if this is the case it'll still be a completely balls out insane ride and the thought of pairing that with I305, Volcano, Dominator and Flight of Fear is pretty incredible.

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I sort of feel like this is going to be kind of a small / budget RMC like Storm Chaser. It's really just a gut feeling,

 

I was feeling the same way. Right now Hurler is only 83' tall, but the lift angle is pretty shallow ~25 degrees. If the steepen this they can get some extra height and get in the 100' Storm chaser range. Get up to 112' we are at Wicked Cyclone, and 125' at TC.

 

Doing some math on the conservative side I think the max height is in the 150' range. Current lift is 30 degrees steep and maxes out at 83'. If I understand trig correctly and they increase the lift angle to 45 degrees, we are looking at something that could be ~150 feet+ tall which is the height of NTAG. With that height, and an emphasis on crazy standard airtime hills, I think everyone would be hyped up.

 

Right now I'm gonna assume it will only hit 100' and be excited to see new updates that prove me otherwise.

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I sort of feel like this is going to be kind of a small / budget RMC like Storm Chaser. It's really just a gut feeling, I'm not speaking with any authority but I don't expect crazy height increases or anything like that. Maybe I'm wrong, but if this is the case it'll still be a completely balls out insane ride and the thought of pairing that with I305, Volcano, Dominator and Flight of Fear is pretty insane.

Realistically, we would be very lucky to have a height increase of more than 20 feet on the first drop, which is what I'd assume would be necessary for the likely rollover drop/inverted drop, consistent with the required rebuild at the bottom of the first drop, so this will be one of or the smallest of the RMCs. Even still, the ride should be immensely fun (or so I've heard - I haven't been on a single RMC yet ). More importantly, the ride will most likely make a great regional lineup into a world-class one. With some retheming and a rebuilt pavilion, Iron Hurler could easily fill an important hole in KD's lineup -and- balance lines across the park, which should reduce wait times long-term for the Big Three in Safari Village (I305, FoF, Volcano). The only wish I have now is that KD doesn't install pay-to-rent secure storage (or "fluffy bunnies", I still don't know why that's autocorrected ) like the rest of CF's new coasters have and stays with the current dry-side article bin policy.

#thedroughtisover

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While we're on the topic of how tall Iron Hurler might be...

As @Keetz discussed above, Hurler has a very, very shallow lift hill. If the first turn were also redone, the lift hill could be made steeper to match similar angles of many other chain hills - with a noticeable impact and without significant increase in the lift hypotenuse. Here are some quick calculations I made...

 

RMC Hurler Possible Height Details

Length of Lift: ~169 feet

Previous Height of Lift: 83 feet

Previous Lift Hypotenuse: ~188 feet

Previous Lift Hill Angle: ~26.2⁰

Testing a few scenarios for lift hill height…

If lifted to 30⁰…

New Lift Height: ~98 feet (+15 feet over original)

New Lift Hypotenuse: ~195 feet (+7 feet over original)

If lifted to 35⁰…

New Lift Height: ~118 feet (+35 feet over original)

New Lift Hypotenuse: ~206 feet (+18 feet over original)

If lifted to 40⁰…

New Lift Height: ~141 feet (+58 feet over original)

New Lift Hypotenuse: ~220 feet (+38 feet over original)

If lifted to 45⁰…

New Lift Height: ~169 feet (+86 feet over original)

New Lift Hypotenuse: ~239 feet (+51 feet over original)

If lifted to 50⁰…

New Lift Height: ~201 feet (+118 feet over original)

New Lift Hypotenuse: ~263 feet (+75 feet over original)

If lifted to 55⁰…

New Lift Height: ~241 feet (+158 feet over original)

New Lift Hypotenuse: ~295 feet (+126 feet over original)

If lifted to 60⁰…

New Lift Height: ~293 feet (+210 feet over original)

New Lift Hypotenuse: ~338 feet (+169 feet over original)

If lifted to 65⁰…

New Lift Height: ~362 feet (+279 feet over original)

New Lift Hypotenuse: ~400 feet (+231 feet over original)

 

Obviously, the last three are almost certainly out of the picture - but increasing the angle of the chain lift to just 50⁰ and redesigning the first turn to account for the newfound speed would make this a hypercoaster - something that would make Iron Hurler truly incredible. Don't count Iron Hurler out just yet, either - Cedar Point's "unofficial" source of "leaked" Iron Mean Streak photos illustrates that RMC might increase the lift angle significantly, which would have a huge height impact on a coaster with a ground-level lift length of almost a whopping 170 feet like Hurler. Also, keep in mind that they're starting very, very early on this project (much earlier than I305, arguably the largest project to date), which would befit a major revamp entailing a large height increase. Ride on!

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I said RMC Hurler weeks ago, when most people seemed to think I was being a fanboy or simply exercising wishful thinking, and I've stuck with it all along. We'll all know soon enough!

 

Turns out they were correct

 

Now it turns out DILinator was correct.

 

In hindsight it's hilarious (and a sigh of relief) to look back at the hoopla from August and how mad we were that RMC Hurler wasn't announced.

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RMC Hurler Possible Height Details

 

 

I'm cracking up because I did some of those same calculations in excel but I didn't wanna seem too nerdy. I 100% appreciate that you went all in on the math to see the full range of possibilities, and to know that my math was in the right range. Good work!

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I said RMC Hurler weeks ago, when most people seemed to think I was being a fanboy or simply exercising wishful thinking, and I've stuck with it all along. We'll all know soon enough!

 

Turns out they were correct

 

Now it turns out DILinator was correct.

 

 

Never bet against The DILinator!

 

(Now, if only that B&M Flyer I've been predicting would come to CP since the mid 2000's would show up, I'd REALLY look smart! )

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