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P. 767: WinterFest Media Night Report

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I find it funny how nobody even wants a coaster here while on other boards everyone believes any hint presented.

 

It's not that nobody wants a coaster. I would like to see it as it is close for me. The truth is KD has just been stagnant since the I305 fiasco and likely has not yet seen much in the way of ROI. Cedar Fair's "Southeast Region" sees more potential in Charlotte than Richmond (and reasonably so) so for the time being KD is simply maintaining while money is getting pumped into parks and attractions that will bring in money.

 

Tl:dr - The truth is I305 put an end to the KD glory days, for better or worse.

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I find it funny how nobody even wants a coaster here while on other boards everyone believes any hint presented.

 

It's not that nobody wants a coaster. I would like to see it as it is close for me. The truth is KD has just been stagnant since the I305 fiasco and likely has not yet seen much in the way of ROI. Cedar Fair's "Southeast Region" sees more potential in Charlotte than Richmond (and reasonably so) so for the time being KD is simply maintaining while money is getting pumped into parks and attractions that will bring in money.

 

Tl:dr - The truth is I305 put an end to the KD glory days, for better or worse.

 

Absolutely, this statement is spot on. King's Dominion will get new coasters in the future (It won't get the Dorney treatment). But don't expect ever to see anything on the scale of I305 ever again.

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There is land clearing behind Intimidator 305

 

Yeah, for fireworks. They haven't touched it in about a month.

 

I'll say it again, fireworks are not launched anywhere near that area. They are launched behind the waterpark.

 

I made a post on the matter earlier, and you can find it.

 

-I305 employee

 

Cedar Fair's "Southeast Region" got better tax cuts in Charlotte than Richmond (and reasonably so) so for the time being KD is simply maintaining while money is getting pumped into parks and attractions that will bring in money.

 

FTFY

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There is land clearing behind Intimidator 305

 

Yeah, for fireworks. They haven't touched it in about a month.

 

I'll say it again, fireworks are not launched anywhere near that area. They are launched behind the waterpark.

 

I made a post on the matter earlier, and you can find it.

 

I came across that post and sort of backed off the fireworks thing in my next post. It was just the prevailing rumor for a long time. But since everyone is saying they haven't done any visible work in the area in a month it still doesn't seem relevant to a discussion about a major 2017 expansion.

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If KD isn't going to add anything for 2017 then can they at least make an effort to make Hurler smooth and add Millennium Flyer trains? And don't defend the coaster right now: it does need new trains in the worst way possible.

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There's been NO "bitching" about a new coaster here, there's been enthusiastic speculation and discussion and some head-scratching.

 

If you say I305 hasn't been a good investment, you didn't take a good look at the crowds in 2009. In June 2009, the place was DEAD. So empty I went past enjoying the free riding and started finding it eerie and worrysome. On the other hand, as soon as they announced the coaster, oddly enough attendance shot up the next day and was up the rest of the year. There never was a huge surge, but every day the park's at-least healthy crowds are partially due to that coaster. The classic relationship between KD and BGW was that BGW had better atmosphere and KD a better and certainly larger coaster collection. KD was starting to lose even that advantage, but with Dominator and I305 gained it back, to the extent that's possible, and they've been working on the rest. I have wondered if there's been some reduction of crowds this year, however.

 

It should have been obvious that I305 was meant to hold the park on coasters for a while, and sure is by now. But there is a question of how long? I think they're stretching some older coasters as long as possible but once they start getting replaced, it could be at the rate of one every 2 years for most of a decade.

 

As to the park being well-rounded, I see one glaring hole. In 2010, after putting a trim on Hurler, they billed it as a "mild family ride", which it might have actually qualified as for a short time, but still not a very good one. Anyway, that's the category they're weakest in. Not my favorite category but I still could benefit from a ride with a great cost-benefit ratio (fun to pain ratio, that is). Especially for larger persons -- I saw a former ride buddy become too large for the park -- basically the whole park is Avalanche, a coaster that has a rough surface, never reaches full coaster speeds, and has no real airtime. A few can fit Anaconda and I305, but may not be able to handle the stresses especially of the latter. Likewise, consider the flaws of other milder coasters: Woodstock is NOT a mild ride with adult knees and lacks size and speed; the other woodies are rough; Backlot is an insane little beast; Dominator is comfortable but definitely not in the category; even when Shockwave was there a friend didn't want to ride it because goes upside down.

 

I think Hurler could be rebuilt to fit that category, but you're basically talking about taking one of the roughest rides and turning it into the smoothest. I think this could be done, the cost would probably exceed the original cost of the coaster but not the original cost converted to today's money and arguably it would be worth more than ever before as well. Imagine huge curves of gleaming steel ... the question is, is the ride's "real estate' worth more and can they get CF to fund something better there anyway? Or just tread water for another decade.

 

I agree Hurler could use new trains, simply to look better and different for one thing, as well as working better and possibly accommodating larger riders.

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I would consider Backlot, Avalanche and Ricochet to be solid family rides. Rebel Yell is very manageable too.

 

I think they're done in that department when you throw in the solid flat collection and spec-f**king-tacular flume.

 

PS: I love Avalanche

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I've never ridden the flume at KD, is it really that good?

 

It's my personal favorite actually. I guess there's nothing about it that single handedly makes it amazing but it's almost all back in the woods, floats along most of the way (which I prefer to the higher speed flumes that sort of bang along the trough) and gets you wet but never soaked. The setting is the biggest selling point though. It's so good that on our first visit this year when it was 38 degrees we rode it while waiting for it to get warm enough to run the coasters.

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Because rapids rides are stupid.

 

 

 

... lol in all seriousness to each his own but I hate them. Flumes get you moderately wet from the top down (where you want to get wet). Rapids rides get the lower half of you wet which nobody likes including shoes and socks which in many parks must be worn and (barring any waterfalls) leave the top half of you dry. The alternative is that they can dump you under a waterfall which absolutely nobody likes since you're usually wearing your sneakers and soak you to the bone to the point where you might as well jump in a lake with your clothes, socks and shoes on. The only time they're fun is if you're allowed to wear a bathing suit on then or if the theming is so ridiculously good that you're willing to put up the the crappy rapids ride just to experience it.

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They all seem like really great attractions in general to me, essential on a hot day and some of the most 'all ages' kind of fun there is.

 

^ Yeah they do get you soaked, but a 90+ degree day and a fast coaster afterwards usually dries me off. Wouldn't ride one in the 70's or lower.

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Anyone know if the Flight of Fear's trains are different than the Joker's Jynkx'? I rode both this week and FOF seemed uncomfortable, like I was too tall to fit.

 

The rubber padding on the lapbar is definitely smaller on Joker's Jinx so you should be fine. I'm 6'5" and always have a bear of a time getting Flight of Fear's restraints over my kneesn(enough that I don't even bother anymore with Jinx being 30 mins away from me).

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What rides have shorter lines around the afternoon/evening? I'd guess that would be the rides near the front of the park like a lot of places. Also, the next day we're getting on Volcano and Flight of Fear for early entry. Should I complete the whole left side of the park, and if so, what areas/rides should I go to next? I'm pretty sure the flat rides in the back-middle next would be the best strategy, but I'm just checking to see if there could be improvements.

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