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P. 767: WinterFest Media Night Report

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They're not even close to as loud as Flying Dutchmans. I can't hear myself think on Firehawk at KI's lift hill.

I can't hear myself think within 3 acres of Goliath or Road Runner Express at SFFT (Goliath isn't even an Arrow)

Although I'm not surprised that Vekomas are loud. Just a Boomerang's catch car engaging sounds like a car wreck.

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Does anyone know the ride time for Delirium? I hope it's longer than Psyclone. According to Wikipedia, Psyclone's ride time is 1:58, in comparison to 2:30 for Delirium at Kings Island.

 

Wonderlands cycle is probably short for capacity reasons, I expect your's will be a bit longer. They are much more beautiful looking though just think of that positive

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Honestly I think Cedar Fair is clueless. Number one, they are so conservative that it comes across as annoying. I think only making big investments in your top few parks is complete greed. Cedar Point getting a dive coaster? Really? 3 years after GateKeeper? The reason other parks don't get the attendance is because Cedar Fair won't allow them to. Six Flags knows how to distribute care fairly to their parks, and that's why we're seeing new coasters at places like Discovery Kingdom, Fiesta Texas, and Mexico.

 

Number two, they don't want to work with anybody except B&M, with the sole exception of GoldStriker. Yes, B&M is a fantastic company, but they are so expensive that you can only afford one coaster in the chain per year. RMC wants to work with Cedar Fair, but they won't let them. Intamin wants to work with Cedar Fair, but they won't let them. Even after seeing the success of coasters like Iron Rattler and Wicked Cyclone they won't work with anyone else. Not to mention CHEAPER!!!!

 

What do you expect? it's cedar fair. Big parks like Cedar point, kings island, Canada wonderland, Carrowinds, and knotts seem to get all the special attention. Yes, Delirium is a great addition to the park, but with shockwave gone that just lowered our coaster count. I've been on the Canada wonderland part of the site and they're complaining about not getting a coaster while they just recently got a dark ride and getting 2 awesome flats next year. Until we get a coaster, people won't stop complaining on the forum. And Canada wonderland seems likely to get a coaster in 2017 so I guess that leave us until 2018 since cedar fair loves to give one park one big ride per year.

 

Now to change the topic once again, is anyone excited for delirium? I've always wanted to ride a frisbee ride.

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Honestly I think Cedar Fair is clueless. Number one, they are so conservative that it comes across as annoying. I think only making big investments in your top few parks is complete greed. Cedar Point getting a dive coaster? Really? 3 years after GateKeeper? The reason other parks don't get the attendance is because Cedar Fair won't allow them to. Six Flags knows how to distribute care fairly to their parks, and that's why we're seeing new coasters at places like Discovery Kingdom, Fiesta Texas, and Mexico.

 

Number two, they don't want to work with anybody except B&M, with the sole exception of GoldStriker. Yes, B&M is a fantastic company, but they are so expensive that you can only afford one coaster in the chain per year. RMC wants to work with Cedar Fair, but they won't let them. Intamin wants to work with Cedar Fair, but they won't let them. Even after seeing the success of coasters like Iron Rattler and Wicked Cyclone they won't work with anyone else. Not to mention CHEAPER!!!!

 

What do you expect? it's cedar fair. Big parks like Cedar point, kings island, Canada wonderland, Carrowinds, and knotts seem to get all the special attention. Yes, Delirium is a great addition to the park, but with shockwave gone that just lowered our coaster count. I've been on the Canada wonderland part of the site and they're complaining about not getting a coaster while they just recently got a dark ride and getting 2 awesome flats next year. Until we get a coaster, people won't stop complaining on the forum. And Canada wonderland seems likely to get a coaster in 2017 so I guess that leave us until 2018 since cedar fair loves to give one park one big ride per year.

 

Now to change the topic once again, is anyone excited for delirium? I've always wanted to ride a frisbee ride.

 

1. Knott's is not one of their attention parks. Last major coaster was Silver Bullet in 2004.

 

2. Them being "Cedar Fair" is not an excuse. Even when Six Flags constantly adds coasters to Magic Mountain, they give love to their other parks that same year. Why? Because they are willing to work with many manufacturers. Cedar Fair putting an expensive dive coaster only in CEDAR POINT instead of a place that actually has room for growth shows how pathetically stupid this company is. Cedar Fair needs to not only put their focus on the mid-level parks (like they did with Carowinds) but let go of this ridiculous B&M love fest. RMC IS PROVEN!!!!

 

This means I would rather Dorney Park get a coaster instead of us as opposed to Canada's Wonderland get a coaster instead of us, which, I don't even know they will be getting one in 2017.

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I think the most annoying thing i see posted on facebook and this forum is people saying "well you lowered the coaster count of the park and added a flat" Who cares? The ride experience is more important than a damn coaster count. I cannot believe I keep seeing people complain about Shockwave not being replaced by a coaster. I'm not even a huge fan of Delirium but those rides are miles better than a Coaster like Shockwave.

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I've always felt like maXair provided a ride experience similar to a roller coaster, and is more fun than over half of the coasters at Cedar Point! I'd definitely put this in the category of addition by subtraction (and a different addition!)

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This announcement actually helped me make up my mind to get a Kings Dominion season pass instead of Six Flags next year. Even though SFA is way closer to me I'm just tired of waiting for something interesting to happen at SFA and these rides are a ton of fun.

 

And for those complaining about the lack of a new coaster, my post is *exactly* what the park wants with additions like these. Way less expensive than a coaster, but still brings in more business. You don't need a coaster every other year to draw more visitors.

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This announcement actually helped me make up my mind to get a Kings Dominion season pass instead of Six Flags next year. Even though SFA is way closer to me I'm just tired of waiting for something interesting to happen at SFA and these rides are a ton of fun.

 

And for those complaining about the lack of a new coaster, my post is *exactly* what the park wants with additions like these. Way less expensive than a coaster, but still brings in more business. You don't need a coaster every other year to draw more visitors.

 

But they are going to need to get a coaster some time in the next couple of years. Every 5-7 years is reasonable, but not 10+ years.

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But they are going to need to get a coaster some time in the next couple of years. Every 5-7 years is reasonable, but not 10+ years.

 

5-7 Years is reasonable. 7 Yrs ago Dominator was installed and 5yrs ago Intimidator 305 was installed (massive 25 million dollar ride) Windseeker 2 yrs later, 2013 the Chains largest kids area, general park improvements in 2014 and 2015 a big investment in the water park. Now next year a nice flat ride and who know what else in terms of more general park improvements. 2017 will more than likely see a new coaster installed which will fall into your reasonable 5-7yr coaster plan. Not 10+

 

Everyone knows CP is the flagship of the chain and nothing is going to change that. With the huge income of the hotels and other on site properties as well as fastlane income its no surprise they are getting another coaster.

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But they are going to need to get a coaster some time in the next couple of years. Every 5-7 years is reasonable, but not 10+ years.

 

You have a Volcano and an Intimidator 305 and you're disappointed when you have to wait another year for a roller coaster that most likely won't be as good as the two. I would complain about my home park being the relocation capital of the world, with the last original roller coaster was built in 2005, but the rides that have been relocated to there are good rides. It's almost like the quality of the rides cancel out the waiting time, or whether or not they were relocated.

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But they are going to need to get a coaster some time in the next couple of years. Every 5-7 years is reasonable, but not 10+ years.

 

You have a Volcano and an Intimidator 305 and you're disappointed when you have to wait another year for a roller coaster that most likely won't be as good as the two. I would complain about my home park being the relocation capital of the world, with the last original roller coaster was built in 2005, but the rides that have been relocated to there are good rides. It's almost like the quality of the rides cancel out the waiting time, or whether or not they were relocated.

 

Truth. Nothing in the park topped Volcano until I305 came around. The odds that a coaster at KD will ever top 305 are stupidly low. Most people have it in their top 3, if not their top 1. Meanwhile, there are PLENTY of good coasters at KD, but the odds that the next thing coming in will be the new most intense ride are close to 0. People were blacking out on 305 so they had to change it. That means it's as intense as that park is like to get.

 

If you set your expectations on a new, crazy, intense, death defying coaster, when you already have one, you're going to be disappointed. I could see them getting another great coaster, but as others have said, the park doesn't make decisions on enthusiast pipe dreams. They make decisions on a series of numbers crunched by a bunch of experts. If the numbers come up coaster, then they will get a coaster. It will probably be a mid to mid-large sized ride, maybe on par with Dominator, and it will probably be a really REALLY good ride, and enthusiasts WILL still complain anyhow because "zomg we've been teh cheated our glorious new 6g 15 looper 500 foot amazing coaster."

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I must say, it's very interesting how we argue here sometimes... If we get a coaster at a park, we complain about the layout and how "we could have designed it better" and how "it's not what they really need" when we get a flat ride we complain that we really needed a coaster. I think it's important that for parks to be successful they have to apeal to every demographic... You need the rides to keep the little kids happy, all the way up to the old retired people that want to see a great show! With that in place, not every addition needs to be a major skyline changing ride, nor does it need to push the boundaries of what the thrill ride design can go. A perfect example is Cedar Points new ride. It's not going to push the boundaries very far, but it will draw in the crowds, which is what they need to do.

 

KD is a great park, I went twice this summer for the first time ever. I must admit I felt that the park was very well balanced, they have three woodies, and a slew of great steel coasters, as well as a great line up of flat tides, ranging from carousels to one of the tallest drop towers in the world... The park is truly not in DIAR need of anything! Do we have pipe dreams in what we want to see in the park, yes,mom course! But that's the same thing as an NFL fan complaining about the newest trade, or recruit from Penn State!

 

I'm going to take a page out of Robb's post on the coaster count thread: we need to spend more time enjoying the great parks that we have then complaining about them not putting in the newest biggest baddest ride year after year!

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