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P. 766: Haunt Has Risen from the Grave

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Certifiedcoastergeek: You won't ever be satisified. You have stated multiple times that whatever comes won't be worth it after I305, so why complain about not getting a coaster, then also complaining about theoretical future coasters? Until we get a new coaster, stay put and ride the (2nd) best coaster on the planet!

First point: Intimidator 305 is (from what I've ridden so far) the best roller coaster out there (and you can click the link in my signature if you want to find out what I've been on). You're entitled to your opinion, however.

Second point: I'm not complaining because Kings Dominion won't get a B&M stratacoaster or something like that, it's just concern for the future appeal of the park and its marketability, which can send the park into a downwards spiral of less park income which results in fewer and fewer park investments. You can only market a coaster as "brand-spankin' new" for so long (even if it's an 11/10 no contest), and in today's hypercompetitive amusement industry, six-plus years is too long (especially with BGW directly competing for ticket sales).

But cfc, I agree....

Que será, será

(which is Spanish for "what will be, will be", and no, I didn't use Google Translate, I used my four years of high-school Spanish )

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Alright so I just watched some POVs of last year on I305 vs this year. What is the deal with the massive slow down a little before the end. it seems they have a trim engaging. How much of a difference does it make to those who had been on it in previous years and this year?

Also, if you were watching the TPR POV's that were recently posted (such awesome footage BTW), both back seat and front row POVs were taken in the morning with empty trains. It is traveling much slower in those POV's than it does on a hot summer day with a train full of happy passengers! Have fun this Sunday!

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Certifiedcoastergeek: You won't ever be satisified. You have stated multiple times that whatever comes won't be worth it after I305, so why complain about not getting a coaster, then also complaining about theoretical future coasters? Until we get a new coaster, stay put and ride the (2nd) best coaster on the planet!

First point: Intimidator 305 is (from what I've ridden so far) the best roller coaster out there (and you can click the link in my signature if you want to find out what I've been on). You're entitled to your opinion, however.

Second point: I'm not complaining because Kings Dominion won't get a B&M stratacoaster or something like that, it's just concern for the future appeal of the park and its marketability, which can send the park into a downwards spiral of less park income which results in fewer and fewer park investments. You can only market a coaster as "brand-spankin' new" for so long (even if it's an 11/10 no contest), and in today's hypercompetitive amusement industry, six-plus years is too long (especially with BGW directly competing for ticket sales).

But cfc, I agree....

Que será, será

(which is Spanish for "what will be, will be", and no, I didn't use Google Translate, I used my four years of high-school Spanish )

 

MIA last major attraction was Thunderhawk in 2008 (used SLC) and there having steady increases in profits and attendances year after year. Cedar Fair is working there magic on KD. There fixing a bunch of little issues around the park instead of splashing down huge amounts of money on a roller coaster. They understand that a huge new coaster isnt needed to attract more guest. More family's will come back to a clean, upkept park. Not a teen filled thrill park with no character or charm. Trust me, KD's time will come (again). Until then, let CF work is magic by creating a better atmosphere around the park.

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Alright so I just watched some POVs of last year on I305 vs this year. What is the deal with the massive slow down a little before the end. it seems they have a trim engaging. How much of a difference does it make to those who had been on it in previous years and this year?

 

Yes, those trims have been there for a long time--and the ride is still intense and amazing.

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MIA last major attraction was Thunderhawk in 2008 (used SLC) and there having steady increases in profits and attendances year after year. Cedar Fair is working there magic on KD. There fixing a bunch of little issues around the park instead of splashing down huge amounts of money on a roller coaster. They understand that a huge new coaster isnt needed to attract more guest. More family's will come back to a clean, upkept park. Not a teen filled thrill park with no character or charm. Trust me, KD's time will come (again). Until then, let CF work is magic by creating a better atmosphere around the park.

 

AGREE! AGREE! I'm a teen, I like big coasters, but I also like a nice fun park. Kd is a beautiful park and I enjoy it.

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I am planning on taking the family to KD in two weeks. The only other time I have been there was by myself last year. I arrived around 10 for a 1030 opening. I do not have access to ERT. I was granted access to International Street and didn't expect to ride anything but got on Dominator. I then went to the rope near Dominator to head to Volcano and wait until 1030. They allowed gold passes through to ERT. Is Dominator normally open early like that to non pass holders. I am trying to make a plan for my kids especially since I have different heights and going to try to divide and conquer the park.

 

Also does anybody have a good guess on what height child Shockwave allows? I know what the published requirement is but is it close to 48" or more like 54"?

 

Not to be a pain but anybody have an answer. This got buried in when will KD get a coaster debate.

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I am planning on taking the family to KD in two weeks. The only other time I have been there was by myself last year. I arrived around 10 for a 1030 opening. I do not have access to ERT. I was granted access to International Street and didn't expect to ride anything but got on Dominator. I then went to the rope near Dominator to head to Volcano and wait until 1030. They allowed gold passes through to ERT. Is Dominator normally open early like that to non pass holders. I am trying to make a plan for my kids especially since I have different heights and going to try to divide and conquer the park.

 

Also does anybody have a good guess on what height child Shockwave allows? I know what the published requirement is but is it close to 48" or more like 54"?

 

Not to be a pain but anybody have an answer. This got buried in when will KD get a coaster debate.

 

B&M standups are 54", so it's probably closer to that.

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^I'm sure its so they have the freedom to tell anyone they can't ride if it may be borderline without creating major disappointment. If they had a set height restriction and someone had unusual proportions, you couldn't deny them as easily without an argument/dispute. I think it's a smart way to go about it, however vague.

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Alright so I just watched some POVs of last year on I305 vs this year. What is the deal with the massive slow down a little before the end. it seems they have a trim engaging. How much of a difference does it make to those who had been on it in previous years and this year?

 

that trim has been there since the ride opened. i rode it on one of the first days it was eperating and the trim was present. it was there before the temporary trims on the drop, before the turn redesign, before the water spritzers on the wheels. the ride is incredible even with that minor slowdown before the last section (trust me those twists dont need to be taken at any higher a speed .

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I know they have always been there but in two videos it seems to act very differently. Maybe it was just the angle in which the videos were filmed but one seemed slower than the other.

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I know they have always been there but in two videos it seems to act very differently. Maybe it was just the angle in which the videos were filmed but one seemed slower than the other.

 

for a while, just before they redesigned the turn, there were trims on the first drop, which did significantly slow down the ride. maybe one of the videos you saw was from that period.

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The trims on the first bunny hill have different seasons, spring and Fall, there are less trims due to cold mornings and the potential for stalling. In the Summer season when it is very warm and it runs everyday there are more trims.

 

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The trim is designed to make the train slow down to a specific speed so the forces are never *too intense. When the train goes faster than normal, it activates more noticeably, and when it's slower, it's less noticeable or doesn't activate at all. Things that influence this change are passenger weight, wind speed, temperature, and even cable lift speed sometimes.

 

You definitely feel it, I think it's the only low point of the ride. If I305 had an metaphorical MCBR (and by that I mean where you get a breather or break), that would definitely be it. You're so in the moment though that you really don't care, and it still is very fast throughout the rest of the layout.

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I made a 2018 Shockwave replacement concept... what do you all think (sorry, audio not working)? Would it fit the small plot of land? Is it feasible? Would you ride it?

*Yes, I intentionally included a MCBR to make it more realistic.

*The first inverting turnaround would fly over the central walkway leading from the Eiffel Tower to the Floral Clock.

[youtu_be]

[/youtu_be]

Stats:

Height: 205 feet

Drop: 203 feet

Top speed: 77 MPH

Drop angle: 90 degrees

Inversions: 3

Track length: 3,520 feet

Ride duration: 1:20

# of trains: 3

Seating: Floored open-car concept design, 2 cars per train, with three rows each, with two riders seated in each row.

Riders per hour: IDK (someone help me on this one)

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I made a 2018 Shockwave replacement concept... what do you all think (sorry, audio not working)? Would it fit the small plot of land? Is it feasible? Would you ride it?

*Yes, I intentionally included a MCBR to make it more realistic.

*The first inverting turnaround would fly over the central walkway leading from the Eiffel Tower to the Floral Clock.

[youtu_be]

[/youtu_be]

Stats:

Height: 205 feet

Drop: 203 feet

Top speed: 77 MPH

Drop angle: 90 degrees

Inversions: 3

Track length: 3,520 feet

Ride duration: 1:20

# of trains: 3

Seating: Floored open-car concept design, 2 cars per train, with three rows each, with two riders seated in each row.

Riders per hour: IDK (someone help me on this one)

 

Looks very good, but:

 

1. CF is not going to wait until 2018. We're not exactly Michigan's Adventure.

 

2. They aren't going to use Shockwave's land for a new coaster, unless it's a junior invert or something. I still think Huler is the most likely to be torn down, despite the "retracking".

 

3. They would make it longer than that, probably around 4,500-5,000 feet for a 200 ft tall coster.

 

Other than that it would be a great fit under I305!

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I made a 2018 Shockwave replacement concept... what do you all think (sorry, audio not working)? Would it fit the small plot of land? Is it feasible? Would you ride it?

*Yes, I intentionally included a MCBR to make it more realistic.

*The first inverting turnaround would fly over the central walkway leading from the Eiffel Tower to the Floral Clock.

[youtu_be]

[/youtu_be]

Stats:

Height: 205 feet

Drop: 203 feet

Top speed: 77 MPH

Drop angle: 90 degrees

Inversions: 3

Track length: 3,520 feet

Ride duration: 1:20

# of trains: 3

Seating: Floored open-car concept design, 2 cars per train, with three rows each, with two riders seated in each row.

Riders per hour: IDK (someone help me on this one)

 

The coaster does look intense but I think that KD has already basically said they are getting a winged flyer from B&M that will interact with the front of the park entrance in some way. I don't think they are going to get a hyper coaster.

 

I hope they don't tear down the shockwave and try to go for 15 coasters in one park, that alone would be a great marketing point for the park to say they have more coaster than any other park in the entire east coast!

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1. CF is not going to wait until 2018. We're not exactly Michigan's Adventure.

2. They aren't going to use Shockwave's land for a new coaster, unless it's a junior invert or something. I still think that Hurler is most likely to be torn down, despite the "retracking".

3. They would make it longer than that, probably around 4,500-5,000 feet for a 200 ft tall coaster.

1. Cedar Point and Canada's Wonderland have already started construction, so 2016 is out. Valleyfair and Michigan's Adventure will most likely get new coasters in 2017, and Kings Dominion and Carowinds will get new ones in 2018. Cedar Fair has adopted an "opportunity precedes necessity" mindset, and I don't expect it to change anytime soon.

2. True, but space is becoming an issue, and the Shockwave is sitting on prime real estate. Remember that Kings Dominion doesn't need another kiddie coaster because they have already have two (Great Pumpkin and Woodstock Express), and two more dedicated "family" coasters (Avalanche, Backlot Stunt Coaster).

3. See #2.

1. The coaster does look intense, but I think that KD has already basically said they are getting a winged flyer from B&M that will interact with the front of the park entrance in some way. I don't think they are going to get a hyper coaster.

2. I hope they don't tear down the Shockwave and try to go for 15 coasters in one park, that alone would be a great marketing point for the park to say they have more coastesr than any other park on the entire east coast!

1. If you're referring to the In the Loop/Screamscape video, that's complete guesswork, and IMO the channel writers have no clue what they are talking about (except when they correctly identified the three coasters on the chopping block and which one will go first), since none of that was confirmed by the park. Everyone thought that 2016 was the year, but clearly corporate CF said no (see my #1 above).

2. This title will most likely go to Carowinds at some point before that (#savethunderroad). Cedar Fair sees more potential for growth in that park than in Kings Dominion. However, I believe that Kings Dominion will reach 15 coasters at some point in the next ten years, despite the park's seemingly more spaced-out investment schedule.

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lol. You act like KD is so neglected

 

I believe that Kings Dominion will reach 15 coasters at some point in the next ten years, despite the park's seemingly more spaced-out investment schedule.

 

You act like the park doesn't receive new rides and general improvements every year. The park is getting plenty of attention. KD's time will come (again). Until then just enjoy the park, or maybe enjoy some other parks

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lol. You act like KD is so neglected

 

I believe that Kings Dominion will reach 15 coasters at some point in the next ten years, despite the park's seemingly more spaced-out investment schedule.

 

You act like the park doesn't receive new rides and general improvements every year. The park is getting plenty of attention. KD's time will come (again). Until then just enjoy the park, or maybe enjoy some other parks

I meant "large investment schedule". I'm not discounting how awesome the park looks because of the 40th, nor the Snoopy expansion, nor those AWESOME trapdoor slides!

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1. CF is not going to wait until 2018. We're not exactly Michigan's Adventure.

2. They aren't going to use Shockwave's land for a new coaster, unless it's a junior invert or something. I still think that Hurler is most likely to be torn down, despite the "retracking".

3. They would make it longer than that, probably around 4,500-5,000 feet for a 200 ft tall coaster.

1. Cedar Point and Canada's Wonderland have already started construction, so 2016 is out. Valleyfair and Michigan's Adventure will most likely get new coasters in 2017, and Kings Dominion and Carowinds will get new ones in 2018. Cedar Fair has adopted an "opportunity precedes necessity" mindset, and I don't expect it to change anytime soon.

2. True, but space is becoming an issue, and the Shockwave is sitting on prime real estate. Remember that Kings Dominion doesn't need another kiddie coaster because they have already have two (Great Pumpkin and Woodstock Express), and two more dedicated "family" coasters (Avalanche, Backlot Stunt Coaster).

3. See #2.

1. The coaster does look intense, but I think that KD has already basically said they are getting a winged flyer from B&M that will interact with the front of the park entrance in some way. I don't think they are going to get a hyper coaster.

2. I hope they don't tear down the Shockwave and try to go for 15 coasters in one park, that alone would be a great marketing point for the park to say they have more coastesr than any other park on the entire east coast!

1. If you're referring to the In the Loop/Screamscape video, that's complete guesswork, and IMO the channel writers have no clue what they are talking about (except when they correctly identified the three coasters on the chopping block and which one will go first), since none of that was confirmed by the park. Everyone thought that 2016 was the year, but clearly corporate CF said no (see my #1 above).

2. This title will most likely go to Carowinds at some point before that (#savethunderroad). Cedar Fair sees more potential for growth in that park than in Kings Dominion. However, I believe that Kings Dominion will reach 15 coasters at some point in the next ten years, despite the park's seemingly more spaced-out investment schedule.

 

Michigan's Adventure I guess, but Valleyfair hasn't even had any rumors. At least Kings Dominion hasthe wing coaster rumor and the Fury trademark, so it will come no later than 2017.

 

Kings Dominion, believe it or not, is still one of Cedar Fair's signature parks. The whole Carowinds thing is for southeast domination, but Kings Dominion is technically the mid-atlantic, so they are dominating a different area. I am predicting a winged hypercoaster will be their next big investment. I could also see another a Planet Snoopy coaster coming, bringing the coaster count to 16 (pending a removal). I think they care more about having the most dominant parks than having specific dominant parks. They know that Busch Gardens is a huge threat, so they can't not give big additions to us.

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Personally I'd rather see a B&M hyper coaster than a wingrider. I305 is more designed for sustained positive g's, high average speed (actually has the record among non-launched coasters for highest average speed in the world), and quick transitions. Airtime is not a priority on this coaster. I feel that KD needs something with some airtime, something that can top AC to the south.

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Personally I'd rather see a B&M hyper coaster than a wingrider. I305 is more designed for sustained positive g's, high average speed (actually has the record among non-launched coasters for highest average speed in the world), and quick transitions. Airtime is not a priority on this coaster. I feel that KD needs something with some airtime, something that can top AC to the south.

 

How about a winged hypercoaster? It would give a very unique experience. What they can do is re-design the restraints to be like Skyrush to maximize airtime.

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