BeemerBoy Posted December 15, 2006 Share Posted December 15, 2006 Why does anything have to replace either one of the two in either place they now occupy? Doesn't the park own hundreds of acres with which to expand? (I think I remember reading something to that effect a while back) I'm still going on record as saying CF has a golden opportunity with this property to turn it into the Cedar Point of the east coast. Remove some of the "lesser" rides, make a few bucks off of them if possible, and then build quality stuff after that. A couple lodging options perhaps? Then maybe a huge new coaster? Maybe I'm way off, and giving CF more credit than they deserve, but I'm actually really rooting for them to turn this park into something great, regardless of the two thousand trash cans soon to follow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
griffon Posted December 16, 2006 Share Posted December 16, 2006 I’m wondering too whether the ride will be operated next year if it’s not sold. Obviously it doesn’t have a good reputation around the industry if another one hasn’t been built, so I’d be interested to see what the chances are that someone will invest in it. It’s also obvious that the main problems with the ride are in the design, therefore it’s not something the park can fix and make more enjoyable. They replaced the trains nearly every year, and even had custom ones made, and reliability never really seemed to improve. My feeling is that the reason Paramount didn't take it out is because the general public genuinely seemed to think it was the most thrilling ride in the park. I didn’t visit the park very often over the last couple years and that perception could have changed between then and now, but I remember being in the park a few years ago and everyone would talk about how fast and cool “Supersonic” was. Not only was it intense, but it was also a thrill because most people didn’t know if they would even be fortunate enough to ride it on any particular day given the capacity and reliability. If they did make it onto the ride, and all the way back to the station without getting stalled in one of the ten thousand block brakes, it not only gave a thrill but a sense of accomplishment. I have no reason to knock Paramount, but I’m impressed that Cedar Fair has the balls to come in and recognize that the ride truly is a total hunk of crap, and that taking it out and (hopefully) eventually replacing it with something of higher quality down the road might actually improve the park's overall image and guest experience. I’m not saying the general public’s opinions should be ignored in situations like this, I just think this halfway proves that Cedar Fair is interested in improving the park’s overall quality which leaves the potential for them to build something better and make all of us happy down the road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted December 16, 2006 Share Posted December 16, 2006 A couple lodging options perhaps? Then maybe a huge new coaster? I think when the park first opened under KECO's ownership, the park owned a hotel nearby called the King's Quarters or something? I think it was sold off some time later to a hotel operator. If you ask me of what would replace Hypersonic, I would think a B&M Flyer would do great in that spot. Theme it decently and make sure it has an intense layout (like Tatsu's), we'd have a winner for the park. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pkdcoaster Posted December 16, 2006 Share Posted December 16, 2006 For those interested- It is still standing as of today (12-15-06) with no visable cranes in the area. I highly doubt they will replace it with a rocket coaster. The park BADLY needs a ride with capacity and reliability. This park has NO problems with Height restrictions yet the tallest coaster (XLC) is 165ft They really need a hyper coaster, or a solid big coaster (no gimmick) The last major NON-launched coaster was Hurler in 1994. Most people that go to PKD say "I guess they don't make coasters with chains anymore" JEFF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpengeist04 Posted December 16, 2006 Share Posted December 16, 2006 ^I second that, I think a Hyper coaster is what Kings Dominion needs. ...preferably an Intamin, but I wouldn't turn my nose to a B&M either. Though with Apollo's Chariot 90 mins down the road, an Intamin coaster would be wiser IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SK8R Posted December 16, 2006 Share Posted December 16, 2006 ^I third that. A good wholesome Hyper would do wonders for park attendance and capacity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redfoot12 Posted December 16, 2006 Share Posted December 16, 2006 Expedition Geforce Clone!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cprocks22 Posted December 16, 2006 Share Posted December 16, 2006 Hypersonic was 0-82 in 1.8, right? This could be like, 0-100 in 2.3 or something around there! That would be an almost-Dodonpa launch, but about 10 MPH slower and an extra half-second to get to that speed. Would that work? I'm trying to imagine a coaster like that fit into the area, and I THINK it could fit...anyone know if it would fit? I could see that happening, but if Maverick works out with the LSM motors (5-70 in i think 2 or 3 seconds, not sure), I would bet Cedar Fair would want Intamin to use thoes instead of the cable launch thats caused who knows how many problems. Heck it's three years later and TTD still doesnt work all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All Clear Posted December 16, 2006 Share Posted December 16, 2006 I'm kind of glad it's going. I've never liked anything about it (location, sensation, noise, capacity). As cool as it would be to have a proper rocket coaster a la Stormrunner, I don't think another launcher is in order. Put me down for a B&M hyper or Intamin mega if you want me to be a bit realistic. But the hopeless dreamer and fanboy in me squishes his eyes and hopes for a Gravity Group terrain woodie back into some of the undeveloped acreage (Beast sans brakes meets Voyage). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the sound Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 Alright, i have done some thinking, and while i think it would be bad for the park, and Cedar Fair to go ahead with this, i don't really mind it, because it will just go to another park in the states, or overseas somewhere, and i don't really mind. Also, i made the mistake in assuming Donopona was the same size as Hypersonic XLC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Masked_Maverick Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 I have been to 3 of Cedar Fair's waterparks and none have really disappointed me. Even Soak City at Cedar Point had a few things I really enjoyed. I have always wanted to go to King's Dominion this may be the summer I finally get down there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the sound Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 Yes, someone has an idea on how to spend money. Upgrade your Waterpark! WDW, are you listening? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drewelap Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 This is pretty interesting. Busch Gardens Europe (which is practically next door) is getting their MAJOR roller coaster Griffon (which is just going to blow everyone away) so it seems practical for King's Dominion to do SOMETHING to compete against BGE. Personally, i think that the current wave pool is crap. The waves arn't really waves, the're just swells. Hopefully this new wavepool will have acutally waves on par with Typhoon Lagoon's wave pool. Wont it be wierd to have two wave pools in one water park? they are probably going to get rid of the current one and put something else there as the new wave pool gets settled in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pkd804 Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 I agree with the person who said it should be replaced with an Intamin Rocket Coaster like Stealth at Thorn Park. Two days ago at PKDPlace I said... If they removed Volcano, attendence would problay drop dramaticly. Flight of Fear needs to stay because it's so awsome. Italian Job is new so yeah...HyperSonic needs to go...I want it replaced with a mini version of Top Thrill Dragster like Stealth at Thorn Park. Then I found someone on here who thought the same thing as me. Im really looking forward to what will replace it. Hopefully, it will be the clone of Stealth at Thorn Park. ^_^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christianscoasters Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 ^That would be nice, but a little more layout instead of top hat, hill, brake run. Maybe an overbanked turn at the end or something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pkd804 Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 I don't see the point of adding a second wave pool...They could have built another slide with that money...But the new slides do sound great. I wonder if the front portion of WaterWorks will get pushed back behind Rebel Yell... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yankees15 Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 ^^ It's actually called Thorpe Park, just thought I'd let you know that. I hope that Hypersonic will operate for next season because I'm heading down there this summer if plans go as I hope. But I do think it is a good move by Cedar Fair to remove it because of high maintenance costs, low capacity, etc. If they do remove it I hope they put an Intamin hyper or giga in somewhere in the park. I think that that would be the best move for the park. This is why I think so: they need a tall ride that stands out from the others, they are high capacity rides, it would be the only coaster in the park with length to it, and they already have enough launched coasters. Also I think it would be an Intamin because Apollo's Chariot is very close to the park so they need something different to pull in the crowds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pkd804 Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 I feel stupid now...Haha...I always thought it was "Thorn Park." I don't read carefully. But thanks for correcting me on that. Yep...An intamin would go best in HyperSonic's spot...If they do get a clone like Stealth at "Thorpe" (yes I got it right this time) Park, then maybe PKD will still be able to keep the "launch Coaster Capital of The World" slogan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yankees15 Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 ^ That's a good point with the "launch Coaster Capital of the World" I totally forgot about that. I think that a stealth clone would do great in Hypersonic's place, but they should definitely add to it. Make it maybe 250-300 feet tall and 85-100 mph in about 3 seconds, also add an extra bunny hill and an overbanked turn. That would be awesome. Oh yeah don't feel stupid I make mistakes like that all the time and your welcome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SK8R Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 It would best benefit with a launched ride similar to Maverick. Therefore, I could appeal to wider variety of visitors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kennywood!007 Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 Sounds awesome. I love their waterpark how it is, I can imagine how awesome it will be now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhishyBrewer Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 DODONPA RULES ALL!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrakenKing Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 Instead of being a Stealth clone, couldn't they put something like Kanonen in there? Or even something like Skycar: http://rcdb.com/ig3466.htm?picture=5 ? I think it'd make for a better ride instead of just a tophat and hill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoshiFan Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 Dorney got a 2nd wavepool this year as well. One is slightly interactive (some fountains), and both appeared to be very crowded. Maybe 2 wavepools in 1 park is a Cedar Fair thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesdillaman Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 ^Perhaps a two-for-the-price-of-one-sale is in order. Shockwave also suffers from low capacity, and it has a retraint system built for Togo by Marquis de Sade Industries. Et tu, Chuck? I thought we were friends! -James "And a sobbing Julia" Dillaman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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