jarmor Posted August 7, 2016 Share Posted August 7, 2016 The fact that this thread is debating Hurler's layout makes my head hurt. Never thought I'd see the day. Then what would you like to discuss? You guys realize that RMC never uses the exact layout of the old ride, right? They greatly modify the shape. I can see them adding a bit of track to this. So basically... 105 ft tall Dive over drop 2 more inversions 55 MPH 3000-3500 ft Actually, they do follow the ground level layout, the path, quite close as that is the reason they generally only have to add support structure to support the new elements. I haven't seen one where they added sections to the layout that deviated from what the coaster was originally. Also, historically, RMC converted coasters have resulted in shorter layouts with Steel medusa and joker being the only two that had the least impact in the length only loosing about 100ft or so of the original layout. Look, im all for RMC working their magic at KD. I just personally think it would be better executed on a new coaster and hurler stay the same with a complete restoration a la ghostrider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmax Posted August 7, 2016 Share Posted August 7, 2016 The fact that this thread is debating Hurler's layout makes my head hurt. Never thought I'd see the day. Then what would you like to discuss? You guys realize that RMC never uses the exact layout of the old ride, right? They greatly modify the shape. I can see them adding a bit of track to this. So basically... 105 ft tall Dive over drop 2 more inversions 55 MPH 3000-3500 ft Actually, they do follow the ground level layout, the path, quite close as that is the reason they generally only have to add support structure to support the new elements. I haven't seen one where they added sections to the layout that deviated from what the coaster was originally. Also, historically, RMC converted coasters have resulted in shorter layouts with Steel medusa and joker being the only two that had the least impact in the length only loosing about 100ft or so of the original layout. Look, im all for RMC working their magic at KD. I just personally think it would be better executed on a new coaster and hurler stay the same with a complete restoration a la ghostrider. https://youtu.be/Td7UQHADGgc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarmor Posted August 7, 2016 Share Posted August 7, 2016 Between that and a GCI/in house complete refurb of hurler, i'd pick the latter. I guess it's because I rode hurler when it first open and know what an airtime machine it once was before the roughness and trimming. That and coupled with riding thunder run at Kentucky Kingdom which reminds me what a complete refurb can do for the coaster is my sentiment as to why I say give the current hurler a track rennovation vs a conversion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinematics Posted August 7, 2016 Share Posted August 7, 2016 The fact that this thread is debating Hurler's layout makes my head hurt. Never thought I'd see the day. Then what would you like to discuss? You guys realize that RMC never uses the exact layout of the old ride, right? They greatly modify the shape. I can see them adding a bit of track to this. So basically... 105 ft tall Dive over drop 2 more inversions 55 MPH 3000-3500 ft Actually, they do follow the ground level layout, the path, quite close as that is the reason they generally only have to add support structure to support the new elements. I haven't seen one where they added sections to the layout that deviated from what the coaster was originally. Also, historically, RMC converted coasters have resulted in shorter layouts with Steel medusa and joker being the only two that had the least impact in the length only loosing about 100ft or so of the original layout. Look, im all for RMC working their magic at KD. I just personally think it would be better executed on a new coaster and hurler stay the same with a complete restoration a la ghostrider. https://youtu.be/Td7UQHADGgc Not a fan of purple, but layout is neat 10/10 approved Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cfc Posted August 7, 2016 Share Posted August 7, 2016 Between that and a GCI/in house complete refurb of hurler, i'd pick the latter. I guess it's because I rode hurler when it first open and know what an airtime machine it once was before the roughness and trimming. That and coupled with riding thunder run at Kentucky Kingdom which reminds me what a complete refurb can do for the coaster is my sentiment as to why I say give the current hurler a track rennovation vs a conversion. Yes, Hurler was actually a good ride when during its first season or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vonni Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 Was the building for Club Blood built specifically for that maze, or did the building have a prior use? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jcoaster Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 The fact that this thread is debating Hurler's layout makes my head hurt. Never thought I'd see the day. Then what would you like to discuss? You guys realize that RMC never uses the exact layout of the old ride, right? They greatly modify the shape. I can see them adding a bit of track to this. So basically... 105 ft tall Dive over drop 2 more inversions 55 MPH 3000-3500 ft Actually, they do follow the ground level layout, the path, quite close as that is the reason they generally only have to add support structure to support the new elements. I haven't seen one where they added sections to the layout that deviated from what the coaster was originally. Also, historically, RMC converted coasters have resulted in shorter layouts with Steel medusa and joker being the only two that had the least impact in the length only loosing about 100ft or so of the original layout. Look, im all for RMC working their magic at KD. I just personally think it would be better executed on a new coaster and hurler stay the same with a complete restoration a la ghostrider. Man you guys are going to be disappointed when it ends up being a refurbishment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarmor Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 Not me. I think that's the best option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Intimidator305 Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 Not me. I think that's the best option. I'm not convinced this is getting an RMC treatment at all, but I think a complete refurbishment wouldn't even be worth it. The ROI wouldn't be there at all. Unlike at Carowinds, Kings Dominion's Hurler is by far the most unpopular coaster (possibly ride) in the park. Also, Kings Dominion's Hurler is in worse shape that Carowinds' was pre-refurb so it would be even more costly to do at KD. I truly believe Carowinds' Hurler got the attention first because of its proximity to Fury 325 with the hope for more riders on it. I think it's fair to say Carowinds' Hurler easily gets quite more riders now than it did 2010-2013. I also think its fair to say that if KD's Hurler opens back up with the same name and look (especially after being closed for an entire season) its ridership would be even lower even if it was refurbished. Anyways, I'm going to the park for the first time this season finally tomorrow (better late than never with Platinum season passes), so I'll be on the lookout as always. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cfc Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 Was the building for Club Blood built specifically for that maze, or did the building have a prior use? It was built for Club Blood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmax Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 I think Hurler's good as gone, one way or another. It's not a ride that KD feels like needs saving or has potential to be popular. It's nothing like Ghostrider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vonni Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 I know none of us truly know what is going on, and I know that not everything the management of theme parks tell us is completely true, but I'm still reminded of the interview with the PR Lady from early in the season that the work on Hurler will be an in house project. I don't remember who did the interview. Perhaps it was In The Loop? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmax Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 I know none of us truly know what is going on, and I know that not everything the management of theme parks tell us is completely true, but I'm still reminded of the interview with the PR Lady from early in the season that the work on Hurler will be an in house project. I don't remember who did the interview. Perhaps it was In The Loop? It easily could be a lie. Theme parks do it all the time. Either that or KD found out the coaster was in too bad a shape to keep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill_s Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 ^^-- or Cedar Fair is letting them have more money than they thought. Maybe the in-house refurb was a threat. One bit of evidence is Thunder Road, its removal at Carowinds makes Rebel Yell more unique. Removal of KD's Hurler would make Carowinds' version more unique. A refurb would be good with better trains, but to continue with the existing ones would require RMC(-style) armor plating on the track to hold up for long enough to bother. I just think those that never enjoyed it ain't wired up right. My only disappointing ride, pre-trims, was the first because it seemed too much like same ride as the other woodies but with longer lines, being new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coasterbill Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 One bit of evidence is Thunder Road, its removal at Carowinds makes Rebel Yell more unique. Removal of KD's Hurler would make Carowinds' version more unique. I can promise you without a doubt that the parks don't care about this at all and neither does anyone else except a few random enthusiasts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cfc Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 One bit of evidence is Thunder Road, its removal at Carowinds makes Rebel Yell more unique. Removal of KD's Hurler would make Carowinds' version more unique. I can promise you without a doubt that the parks don't care about this at all and neither does anyone else except a few random enthusiasts. Well, if by "unique" you mean "especially bad," I agree. Hurler was good--once. Then it beat itself (and riders) to death. If they can redo the ride and make it good again for, say, more than one season, OK. If not, I say knock it down and replace it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill_s Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 (edited) Unique = only one of, at least in the region, is what I meant. Although I still found the ride fun after it got more crazy. I just noticed Mystic Timbers at KI. Well CF is still building woodies, looks to be a high speed close to the ground layout too. And working with GCI. Edited August 8, 2016 by bill_s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coasterbill Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 One bit of evidence is Thunder Road, its removal at Carowinds makes Rebel Yell more unique. Removal of KD's Hurler would make Carowinds' version more unique. I can promise you without a doubt that the parks don't care about this at all and neither does anyone else except a few random enthusiasts. Well, if by "unique" you mean "especially bad," I agree. Unique = only one of, at least in the region, is what I meant. I just noticed Mystic Timbers at KI. Well CF is still building woodies, looks to be a high speed close to the ground layout too. And working with GCI. I don't even know where to begin with this post so I'll just slowly back away and hope nobody noticed I was here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ripleybl Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 I have never ridden Balder in Sweden, but tearing down Hurler and replacing it with a coaster similar to Balder would fit perfect in that plot! I know it won't happen, but just wishing... The POV of Balder looks so much fun! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cfc Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 I just noticed Mystic Timbers at KI. Well CF is still building woodies, looks to be a high speed close to the ground layout too. And working with GCI. As is Busch Gardens Williamsburg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vonni Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 One bit of evidence is Thunder Road, its removal at Carowinds makes Rebel Yell more unique. Removal of KD's Hurler would make Carowinds' version more unique. I can promise you without a doubt that the parks don't care about this at all and neither does anyone else except a few random enthusiasts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarmor Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 Unique = only one of, at least in the region, is what I meant. What determines a "region"? Because I think its at least 1 original and 2 "hurler" clones in one region in this case . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill_s Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 ^^-- by "region" I was excluding the Racer at KI vs. RYell and TRoad. Thunder Run's a long way away too, and I don't know how identical they were, they sure don't ride the same anymore . Looks like TRun has a kink in the backstretch: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunder_Run_(Kentucky_Kingdom) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScreaminNewEngland Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boldikus Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 I have never ridden Balder in Sweden, but tearing down Hurler and replacing it with a coaster similar to Balder would fit perfect in that plot! I know it won't happen, but just wishing... The POV of Balder looks so much fun! This definitely won't happen but Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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