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Formal nights will be dead and gone in 10 years. A lot of upscale & boutique lines got rid of them; no reason to believe that Royal Caribbean will hold onto the formal night as their older passengers die when Azamara doesn't do them anymore.

I fully agree 100% with this! It's sad really, and you just have to at least *hope* that whatever shred of humanity is left in the world you'll at least see people dress "decently" in the dining room (even if it's in shorts or whatever) on the "decent" cruise lines, and you'll see people in bathing suits and bath robes on Carnival.

 

I don't particularly like "formal" nights, to be honest, but I also don't like seeing the dining room dumbed down. If there was a way to communicate a dress code that says "Don't look like a skank", I'd be all for it! But you know that wouldn't fly for the majority of the people in this country.

 

--Robb "It's what the plants crave..." Alvey

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^ I think the lack of dressing up for things in Vegas or the Theater was kind of the start of things like this. Previously you'd dress up to go to a show, to a nice dinner, etc. Now you'll see people in shorts and a T-shirt, parents allowing their kids to play on their phones or DS during a live performance (we saw this when we saw Fiddler in OC), etc.

 

We can only hope that things that were old and awesome will come back around some day like Vinyl and forceful B&M's.

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^ I think the lack of dressing up for things in Vegas or the Theater was kind of the start of things like this. Previously you'd dress up to go to a show, to a nice dinner, etc. Now you'll see people in shorts and a T-shirt, parents allowing their kids to play on their phones or DS during a live performance (we saw this when we saw Fiddler in OC), etc.

If you actually saw someone in a theater allowing their kids to play on a phone or a DS, then they should be kicked out of that theater immediately! Sorry, but unless you're at some middle school performance, I don't know of a single theater that would even THINK about allowing any sort of electronics, especially one with an LCD screen to be turned on during ANY kind of performance.

 

And it's not just me being a spoiled Broadway brat, that's any regional theater I've been to locally (Orlando, Sarasota, Tampa, Jacksonville, etc)

 

I cannot image that would have actually been allowed at the OC Performing Arts center if an usher was paying attention.

 

As for people dressing up for the theater, you're absolutely right. Ten years ago, you wouldn't *think* about going to a Broadway show in anything less than khaki pants, dress shirt, and tie. Most people would wear a jacket unless it was blazing hot outside, and women almost always wore a nice dress. I doubt you would be let in if you were wearing shorts and a T-Shirt.

 

Now you CAN go to a Broadway show in shorts and T-Shirt if you wanted to (although people would look at you and say "what a fuckin piece of garbage", and usually people will wear khakis, jeans, a nice shirt, button down or at least a collared overshirt. Some people still do wear shirt and tie.

 

What I meant when I said "You'd hope that people would still dress 'decent' even if there is a 'short allowed rule'" is that you would *hope* that people have at least *some* comment decency to not go right from the swimming pool to the dinning room on ANY night, let alone formal night, and at very least go back to their room and change into something "decent."

 

I've been known to wear jeans sometimes to the dining room on non-formal nights, but I would NEVER go less than a pair of jeans and a nice collared shirt. Same thing with going to the theater. My normal "cruise ship/theater costume" is a pair of khakis and a button down shirt. I only wear a jacket and tie on formal nights.

 

Seriously if people can't be asked to "dress up" enough to wear jeans and a decent shirt, this world really is becoming "Idiocracy."

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Seriously if people can't be asked to "dress up" enough to wear jeans and a decent shirt, this world really is becoming "Idiocracy."

 

I completely agree. Recently, I heard that the TV show Duck Dynasty has something like 20 million viewers. The fact that shows like this, Honey Boo Boo, and all the other "reality" crap exists and is so popular completely reminds me of Idiocracy and the "Ow my balls" show. Culture and etiquette are becoming increasingly rare.

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^^ Oh the usher did take care of it, after us and many others signaled them over more than once. The fact that it happened was sad. If your kid doesn't want to go to the theater, leave their ass at home.

 

Of course, with it being SoCal we weren't totally surprised.

 

Do they have the ability to send text alerts at theaters in NY or FL? They have these in CA but we didn't notice it in Chicago when we saw Wicked there. I'm guessing this is only a CA problem.

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Not much escapes the eye of the Internet Wayback Machine, a seriously cool archive. Here's the pertinent page of Yee's diatribe. I'm mobile at the moment, so I beg your forgiveness if it posts incorrectly. It's worth bringing up. I agree with Gregg, it is craven to pull controversial material. I've been there too. Stand behind your writing and take your lumps, or concede the mistake.

 

web.archive.org/web/20061017071254/http://www.miceage.com/kevinyee/ky071306c.htm

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Surprised this didn't get posted...

 

In consideration of ongoing guest feedback and evolving industry standards, Royal Caribbean International is revising its onboard smoking policy, effective for all sailings departing on or after January 1, 2014.

 

Under this new policy, all indoor public spaces will be smoke free, with the exception of the Casino and the Connoisseur Club on Freedom and Voyager Class ships and one designated smoking venue on ships sailing from Chinese homeports. In the Casino, there will be designated smoking and non-smoking areas.

 

Additionally, smoking will not be permitted in the staterooms or on stateroom balconies. Outdoor smoking areas will be designated on the starboard side of all ships; with the exception of Oasis-class ships that will allow smoking on the port side of the ships.

 

Indoor smoking areas permit tobacco cigarettes and electronic cigarettes. Cigars and pipe tobacco can be enjoyed in designated outdoor areas, or in the cigar club on the ships that offer this venue.

 

LOVE IT! No smoking on balconies and barely allowed anywhere on the ships now!

 

Only major lines that still allow smoking on balconies are Carnival and Norwegian. I figure with this announcement we'll lose some smokers over to those lines which is fine with me!

 

Some of the choice comments from the smokers include "If I'm paying for a balcony I should be able to do whatever I want out there!" to which normal rational people respond "What like murder people? Fire up the BBQ? Run around naked?" Just cause you are staying in a balcony for a cruise doesn't mean you can do whatever you want!

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I can see them selling a limited number of smoking balconies if demand drops, but I think for the most part smokers understand that the opinion on smoking has changed. Many cities have already banned smoking on outdoor patios in restaurants and major public places (like theme parks and sports venues) already have designated smoking areas.

 

Casinos are probably the last major holdout left.

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Costa Concordia update.

 

according to:

http://www.theparbucklingproject.com/article/42/Press_release_by_italian_civil_protection

 

If all goes according to plan.. the parbuckling (getting the costa Concordia upright again) will start as soon as the weather is okafter the end of this week..

Could be interesting...

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Surprised this didn't get posted...

 

In consideration of ongoing guest feedback and evolving industry standards, Royal Caribbean International is revising its onboard smoking policy, effective for all sailings departing on or after January 1, 2014.

 

Under this new policy, all indoor public spaces will be smoke free, with the exception of the Casino and the Connoisseur Club on Freedom and Voyager Class ships and one designated smoking venue on ships sailing from Chinese homeports. In the Casino, there will be designated smoking and non-smoking areas.

 

Additionally, smoking will not be permitted in the staterooms or on stateroom balconies. Outdoor smoking areas will be designated on the starboard side of all ships; with the exception of Oasis-class ships that will allow smoking on the port side of the ships.

 

Indoor smoking areas permit tobacco cigarettes and electronic cigarettes. Cigars and pipe tobacco can be enjoyed in designated outdoor areas, or in the cigar club on the ships that offer this venue.

 

LOVE IT! No smoking on balconies and barely allowed anywhere on the ships now!

 

Only major lines that still allow smoking on balconies are Carnival and Norwegian. I figure with this announcement we'll lose some smokers over to those lines which is fine with me!

 

Some of the choice comments from the smokers include "If I'm paying for a balcony I should be able to do whatever I want out there!" to which normal rational people respond "What like murder people? Fire up the BBQ? Run around naked?" Just cause you are staying in a balcony for a cruise doesn't mean you can do whatever you want!

 

I really hope they don't put a ban on running around naked on your balcony... Cause that's all I do out there...

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Surprised this didn't get posted...

 

In consideration of ongoing guest feedback and evolving industry standards, Royal Caribbean International is revising its onboard smoking policy, effective for all sailings departing on or after January 1, 2014.

 

Under this new policy, all indoor public spaces will be smoke free, with the exception of the Casino and the Connoisseur Club on Freedom and Voyager Class ships and one designated smoking venue on ships sailing from Chinese homeports. In the Casino, there will be designated smoking and non-smoking areas.

 

Additionally, smoking will not be permitted in the staterooms or on stateroom balconies. Outdoor smoking areas will be designated on the starboard side of all ships; with the exception of Oasis-class ships that will allow smoking on the port side of the ships.

 

Indoor smoking areas permit tobacco cigarettes and electronic cigarettes. Cigars and pipe tobacco can be enjoyed in designated outdoor areas, or in the cigar club on the ships that offer this venue.

 

 

 

LOVE IT! No smoking on balconies and barely allowed anywhere on the ships now!

 

Only major lines that still allow smoking on balconies are Carnival and Norwegian. I figure with this announcement we'll lose some smokers over to those lines which is fine with me!

 

Some of the choice comments from the smokers include "If I'm paying for a balcony I should be able to do whatever I want out there!" to which normal rational people respond "What like murder people? Fire up the BBQ? Run around naked?" Just cause you are staying in a balcony for a cruise doesn't mean you can do whatever you want!

 

I really hope they don't put a ban on running around naked on your balcony... Cause that's all I do out there...

 

Jeezus! Next thing you know they will ban fu€&ing on the balconies! What am I to do if I lose another surface to fu€& on?

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As for people dressing up for the theater, you're absolutely right. Ten years ago, you wouldn't *think* about going to a Broadway show in anything less than khaki pants, dress shirt, and tie. Most people would wear a jacket unless it was blazing hot outside, and women almost always wore a nice dress. I doubt you would be let in if you were wearing shorts and a T-Shirt.

 

Now you CAN go to a Broadway show in shorts and T-Shirt if you wanted to (although people would look at you and say "what a fuckin piece of garbage", and usually people will wear khakis, jeans, a nice shirt, button down or at least a collared overshirt. Some people still do wear shirt and tie.

 

Back in May my wife and I went to see Anne on Broadway. We both dressed up (she wore a dress, I went with a button down and nice jeans) and we felt fairly overdressed for the show. The following night we went to see Chicago, I ended up wearing jeans and a t-shirt for that, simply because it was a very last minute decision and there wasn't time to go back to the room. Even in jeans and a t-shirt I didn't really feel all that out of place, in fact it was what the majority of people were wearing. All things being equal I would have rather been dressed a little better that second time.

 

During Anne there was a family in front of us on their phones. They got a single warning and then were promptly removed from the theater. Can't even begin to describe how annoyed we were, those tickets are expensive, why the hell would you want to waste the experience looking at Angry Birds (which is what the ADULTS were playing).

 

On another note about formal nights. I'm not actually huge on them, but it makes for some nice pictures. I wear a suit and tie everyday, last thing I want to do is wear one on my vacation. That being said, I'm glad ships have them, it's a nice touch. I might complain a little more if I had to rent a tux, but really it only takes me a few seconds to tie a tie and throw on a jacket.

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On another note about formal nights. I'm not actually huge on them, but it makes for some nice pictures. I wear a suit and tie everyday, last thing I want to do is wear one on my vacation. That being said, I'm glad ships have them, it's a nice touch. I might complain a little more if I had to rent a tux, but really it only takes me a few seconds to tie a tie and throw on a jacket.

This is EXACTLY it. The ships aren't asking anyone to wear a tux or do anything overly annoying for formal nights, they just ask for people to "dress nice", really. And you know, even if you were to dress down on a formal night (Khaki's, collared shirt, *maybe* a tie and jacket) it still looks a LOT better than wearing shorts and a T-Shirt and really takes zero effort.

 

I've always said "If you're the type of person that doesn't want to dress up, even a little, for formal nights, then you're probably someone that should just stick to the buffet..." (On Carnival...)

 

--Robb "Golden Corral has an audience, and so does Ruth's Chris...let's not mix those worlds!" Alvey

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During Anne there was a family in front of us on their phones. They got a single warning and then were promptly removed from the theater. Can't even begin to describe how annoyed we were

 

Love this! The movie theaters (like AMC, for example) have all sorts of cutesy "no texting/talking" (I think one even says "no roller coaster riding!") clips before the movies. I don't know what it is in people to want to take out their phone, bright as the sun in a dark theater, and start looking at crap. A movie is a lot cheaper than the Annie play, but it's really annoying. I hope they crack down on it. And more cracking down on smoking, too! Gotta respect others when we share space...

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On the whole electronic devices in the theater thing. What is your opinion on this concept? Disney is enabling iPads in theaters so children can have an interactive movie experience. My knee jerk reaction is I don't want this to be a movie industry trend, but then again I do not have children. Perhaps this will make its way on-board the Disney Ships in come capacity eventually.

 

[youtu_be]http://youtu.be/tYpRQ5Mw2lM[/youtu_be]

 

Hope they have a successful and safe operation on Monday. I imagine this is a potentially dangerous task.

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I really hope they don't put a ban on running around naked on your balcony... Cause that's all I do out there...

 

You're not going to do this on the Scandi trip are you????

 

Well, that depends on if Elissa gives us a balcony! If there is, just close the black out drapes!

 

 

That's exactly what TPR needs. A clothing optional tour.

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