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^I don't understand why it's "idiocracy" that people want to dress comftorably on vacation. I just believe you should be allowed to dress however you want as long as you're not too revealing or have profanities since you're the one that paid to eat in the main restaurant and you're on VACATION. I believe vacation should be about casualty and comfortness because you have more fun that way and the point of vacations are to relax and have a good time. Formal dressing just makes people uncomftorable and puts extra pressure on them for no reason.

 

With that said, people should still feel free to dress formally if they WANT to but they shouldn't be forced to.

 

Cruises are evolving and adapting. People dressed formally for sports games 50 years ago but that eventually stopped too for similar reasons.

 

Is it dumb to want to dress comftorably? Not to me but yet I've never been a big fan of formal attire.

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I believe vacation should be about casualty and comfortness

 

You are indeed likely to experience the casualty part on a Carnival ship, but you may want to check the definition of that word. It doesn't mean what you seem to think it does based upon the way you used it. As for the "comfortness", since that isn't a word in the English language, you're on your own with that one.

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To me, formal night is part of the fun of a cruise. I hate dressing up, but it is fun to be amongst everyone else who also hates dressing up in addition to those who do enjoy dressing up.

 

For the other nights, I don't think you need to be any less casual than a T-shirt and jeans...which is something even I have done while still drunk from the day in Cabo. It is true that cruises are evolving, but the whole point of the dining room is so you can have a gourmet/fancy dining experience that you would not normally get without paying a fortune (and having to dress nice) at a restaurant.

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Dressing up into semi-formal or business casual attire doesn't have to be uncomfortable or vacation ruining. At least to me wearing a pair of slacks or khakis and a dress shirt for an evening isn't all that different in comfort level from cargo shorts and a Hawaiian shirt or polo all day. I for one look forward to the formal nights and dressing up on my first cruise.

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^I don't understand why it's "idiocracy" that people want to dress comftorably on vacation. I just believe you should be allowed to dress however you want as long as you're not too revealing or have profanities since you're the one that paid to eat in the main restaurant and you're on VACATION. I believe vacation should be about casualty and comfortness because you have more fun that way and the point of vacations are to relax and have a good time. Formal dressing just makes people uncomftorable and puts extra pressure on them for no reason.

 

With that said, people should still feel free to dress formally if they WANT to but they shouldn't be forced to.

 

Cruises are evolving and adapting. People dressed formally for sports games 50 years ago but that eventually stopped too for similar reasons.

 

Is it dumb to want to dress comftorably? Not to me but yet I've never been a big fan of formal attire.

You don't get it because you're a Carnival person and that's all that needs to be said.

 

--Robb "I don't want my experience dumbed down by trashy people." Alvey

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Norwegian Breakaway has a party literally called "Dress Up Or Not." I watched it on the television in the stateroom (since I accidentally missed it) and they were doing interviews like it was a red carpet event, with people in the background walking in and out of a club (which I couldn't remember which it was). A lot of guys in the background wore anything between a t-shirt, a tank-top, or a button-down shirt, with cargo shorts (no kakis in site). Some girls (especially the ones that were interviewed) wore dresses, and a few mentioned that they were in their prom dresses!

 

I see that Norwegian is trying to be more lenient in wanting to accommodate guests with the want to dress in their version of "casual," which was probably along the lines of cargo shorts and a t-shirt. But luckily I never really saw anybody in any of their higher-end restaurants wear anything less than a dress, and honestly, you'd probably not be allowed in those restaurants with anything less in quality.

 

Outside of clothing issues, the ship had a very, very, VERY mixed audience, varying between the classy and possibly rich, the familes with over-excited-and-sometimes-screaming kids, and (quite literally) drunk-out-of-their-mind young adults (I ended up in an elevator with a guy being propped by his parents, before emptying his stomach in front of my shoes; forcing me to exit one floor above my destination...).

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Some good and bad changes out of Disney Cruise Line today...

Boo - Shorts will now be allowed in all of the main dining rooms for dinner service...EVEN ON FORMAL NIGHTS!!!! I get that they're attracting a more 'family' crowd, but they don't need to dumb down to Carnival levels!!! What's the point of even having a formal night if you're allowed to wear freakin shorts!?!?!? Ugh.

 

And the Kevin Yees of the world rejoice. Speaking of, I can't find his old 2007ish rant about the 'overly formal' DCL dining dress code. His ignorance was entertaining. As I recall, he claimed he didn't read his cruise documents, and only packed t-shirts.

 

How hard can it be to pack a few dress shirts and a pair of slacks? Klassless.

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There's nothing at all wrong with Formal Nights, and I really hope other lines don't dumb then down. I'm not surprised by Klassy Karnival not enforcing dress codes, as the average attendee on one of their death ships is likely not to own anything more formal than an unwashed NASCAR t-shirt. But I really hope this is not a trend that expands beyond their "Wal-Mart Of The Seas" ideology.

 

And as far as not being able to have fun while dressed up, this is oh so wrong. Our group dinners out here in Baltimore for fine dining are certainly fun, with the waitstaff often remarking things like, "that was the most amusing discussion about medical experiments we've ever heard". We do tip well, of course, in case anyone needs to see a therapist afterwards...

 

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^^ Can't find the article but the (highly entertaining) comments are still available.

 

http://micechat.com/forums/miceage-discussions/31034-7-13-setting-sail.html

 

IMO, I think it's kind of chicken shit to remove the article because you got railroaded and called out. I've been called out about stuff I've written and I'd never just try and erase it from existence.

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Formal nights will be dead and gone in 10 years. A lot of upscale & boutique lines got rid of them; no reason to believe that Royal Caribbean will hold onto the formal night as their older passengers die when Azamara doesn't do them anymore.

 

also LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL @ Kevin Yee. Between this and seeing a picture of Al Lutz in a Rascal Scooter today, every negative stereotype I have about this particular breed of theme park expert is met.

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Then I'll apologize to Al Lutz for thinking that he ended up in the ranks of scooter people because of a lack of physical maintenance. Unless that's what led to the condition that put him there, in which case, :shrug:

 

Also the more I read of that thread, the worse it gets. When Yee is defending himself as comparing himself to a first time theater goer expecting a CGI movie spectacular and being disappointed, I get almost physically angry with someone who flaunts being that purposefully and intentionally ignorant. I want to forget that I've ever even heard his name or know of his existence. That's just straight up shameful, like trying to talk down to people because they're literate or have stable lives or something.

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Formal nights will be dead and gone in 10 years. A lot of upscale & boutique lines got rid of them; no reason to believe that Royal Caribbean will hold onto the formal night as their older passengers die when Azamara doesn't do them anymore.

I fully agree 100% with this! It's sad really, and you just have to at least *hope* that whatever shred of humanity is left in the world you'll at least see people dress "decently" in the dining room (even if it's in shorts or whatever) on the "decent" cruise lines, and you'll see people in bathing suits and bath robes on Carnival.

 

I don't particularly like "formal" nights, to be honest, but I also don't like seeing the dining room dumbed down. If there was a way to communicate a dress code that says "Don't look like a skank", I'd be all for it! But you know that wouldn't fly for the majority of the people in this country.

 

--Robb "It's what the plants crave..." Alvey

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^ I think the lack of dressing up for things in Vegas or the Theater was kind of the start of things like this. Previously you'd dress up to go to a show, to a nice dinner, etc. Now you'll see people in shorts and a T-shirt, parents allowing their kids to play on their phones or DS during a live performance (we saw this when we saw Fiddler in OC), etc.

 

We can only hope that things that were old and awesome will come back around some day like Vinyl and forceful B&M's.

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^ I think the lack of dressing up for things in Vegas or the Theater was kind of the start of things like this. Previously you'd dress up to go to a show, to a nice dinner, etc. Now you'll see people in shorts and a T-shirt, parents allowing their kids to play on their phones or DS during a live performance (we saw this when we saw Fiddler in OC), etc.

If you actually saw someone in a theater allowing their kids to play on a phone or a DS, then they should be kicked out of that theater immediately! Sorry, but unless you're at some middle school performance, I don't know of a single theater that would even THINK about allowing any sort of electronics, especially one with an LCD screen to be turned on during ANY kind of performance.

 

And it's not just me being a spoiled Broadway brat, that's any regional theater I've been to locally (Orlando, Sarasota, Tampa, Jacksonville, etc)

 

I cannot image that would have actually been allowed at the OC Performing Arts center if an usher was paying attention.

 

As for people dressing up for the theater, you're absolutely right. Ten years ago, you wouldn't *think* about going to a Broadway show in anything less than khaki pants, dress shirt, and tie. Most people would wear a jacket unless it was blazing hot outside, and women almost always wore a nice dress. I doubt you would be let in if you were wearing shorts and a T-Shirt.

 

Now you CAN go to a Broadway show in shorts and T-Shirt if you wanted to (although people would look at you and say "what a fuckin piece of garbage", and usually people will wear khakis, jeans, a nice shirt, button down or at least a collared overshirt. Some people still do wear shirt and tie.

 

What I meant when I said "You'd hope that people would still dress 'decent' even if there is a 'short allowed rule'" is that you would *hope* that people have at least *some* comment decency to not go right from the swimming pool to the dinning room on ANY night, let alone formal night, and at very least go back to their room and change into something "decent."

 

I've been known to wear jeans sometimes to the dining room on non-formal nights, but I would NEVER go less than a pair of jeans and a nice collared shirt. Same thing with going to the theater. My normal "cruise ship/theater costume" is a pair of khakis and a button down shirt. I only wear a jacket and tie on formal nights.

 

Seriously if people can't be asked to "dress up" enough to wear jeans and a decent shirt, this world really is becoming "Idiocracy."

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Seriously if people can't be asked to "dress up" enough to wear jeans and a decent shirt, this world really is becoming "Idiocracy."

 

I completely agree. Recently, I heard that the TV show Duck Dynasty has something like 20 million viewers. The fact that shows like this, Honey Boo Boo, and all the other "reality" crap exists and is so popular completely reminds me of Idiocracy and the "Ow my balls" show. Culture and etiquette are becoming increasingly rare.

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^^ Oh the usher did take care of it, after us and many others signaled them over more than once. The fact that it happened was sad. If your kid doesn't want to go to the theater, leave their ass at home.

 

Of course, with it being SoCal we weren't totally surprised.

 

Do they have the ability to send text alerts at theaters in NY or FL? They have these in CA but we didn't notice it in Chicago when we saw Wicked there. I'm guessing this is only a CA problem.

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Not much escapes the eye of the Internet Wayback Machine, a seriously cool archive. Here's the pertinent page of Yee's diatribe. I'm mobile at the moment, so I beg your forgiveness if it posts incorrectly. It's worth bringing up. I agree with Gregg, it is craven to pull controversial material. I've been there too. Stand behind your writing and take your lumps, or concede the mistake.

 

web.archive.org/web/20061017071254/http://www.miceage.com/kevinyee/ky071306c.htm

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  • 3 weeks later...

Surprised this didn't get posted...

 

In consideration of ongoing guest feedback and evolving industry standards, Royal Caribbean International is revising its onboard smoking policy, effective for all sailings departing on or after January 1, 2014.

 

Under this new policy, all indoor public spaces will be smoke free, with the exception of the Casino and the Connoisseur Club on Freedom and Voyager Class ships and one designated smoking venue on ships sailing from Chinese homeports. In the Casino, there will be designated smoking and non-smoking areas.

 

Additionally, smoking will not be permitted in the staterooms or on stateroom balconies. Outdoor smoking areas will be designated on the starboard side of all ships; with the exception of Oasis-class ships that will allow smoking on the port side of the ships.

 

Indoor smoking areas permit tobacco cigarettes and electronic cigarettes. Cigars and pipe tobacco can be enjoyed in designated outdoor areas, or in the cigar club on the ships that offer this venue.

 

LOVE IT! No smoking on balconies and barely allowed anywhere on the ships now!

 

Only major lines that still allow smoking on balconies are Carnival and Norwegian. I figure with this announcement we'll lose some smokers over to those lines which is fine with me!

 

Some of the choice comments from the smokers include "If I'm paying for a balcony I should be able to do whatever I want out there!" to which normal rational people respond "What like murder people? Fire up the BBQ? Run around naked?" Just cause you are staying in a balcony for a cruise doesn't mean you can do whatever you want!

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