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I looked at the park's facebook page as well, and the only rude comments I found are from the name supporters. There are people calling others stupid, and telling them that they are wasting their time, and that this argument is pointless-- that is rude! No one should be made to feel like something that they are passionate about is a waste of time.

 

Now that I have seen the facebook page I have to say that I find the parks response to this issue disappointing- and very un-Busch like. They will not directly address the real concern that fans have about the insensitivity of the word HUNT. Instead they have only stated that they can't believe anyone would think that it refers to hunting cheetahs, and how they are disappointed that this is the attention they are getting from the ride. That is NOT a response- that is DENIAL! Clearly people have been offended, and the park should directly address those fans! A good response should be something like this...

 

'We would like to apologize to our fans that have been offended by the title of our new attraction Cheetah Hunt. We value your opinion, and our creative team has spent a lot of time re-evaluating this new, one of a kind attraction. At this time we have decided to keep Cheetah Hunt as announced, as we feel it best describes the thrill that our guests will encounter. We hope that fans will come out to experience this new attraction first hand. After becoming immersed in the detailed themeing, seeing amazing animals up-close, and feeling the rush of speed; we are confident there will be no confusion of the ride's intention. Thank you for your support!'

 

^That is the type of response I would expect from a 'world class' park. It shows empathy for unintentionally offending some guests without admitting fault-- it makes them feel that their voice was heard, and opinion considered--- and even though in this pretend responce the parks does not make a change, they still go out of their way to encourage the offended guests to visit the park to check out the attraction, and assures them that the intention of the ride will be clear.

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I looked at the park's facebook page as well, and the only rude comments I found are from the name supporters. There are people calling others stupid, and telling them that they are wasting their time, and that this argument is pointless-- that is rude! No one should be made to feel like something that they are passionate about is a waste of time.

 

Ruder than those who post a link to an Internet petition against the ride's name to the park's Facebook wall multiple times? This is like spraying graffiti on your neighbor's house.

 

Frankly, I doubt that any sort of response along the lines of the one you suggest would satisfy critics of the ride's name. My best advice is this: If you are so offended by the ride's name, then vote with your wallet and stay away from the park.

 

I commend you for stating your case reasonably--but take care that you don't beat it to death.

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I know some of you feel that this whole argument has been blown out of proportion, and I understand that. However, I'm still somewhat fascinated by their choice. Sure, at the core, it's just a name, and most people can decipher the difference between the initial perception and the reality of the intended point of view of a cheetah hunting its prey. BUT, from a marketing standpoint of a park known for conservation, it still remains curious.

 

For arguments sake, what would your initial reaction be if they had themed it to foxes and called it "Fox Hunt." Or let's say Sea World had themed Manta to sharks instead, and called it "Shark Hunt." The initial perception and knee jerk reaction to a name is still important. A crowd will always be divided, but given the park's reputation, and the products they're selling, it makes it all the more interesting to me that the creative team didn't give stronger consideration to a possible backlash from animal lovers/conservationists.

 

It's certainly not the end of the world to me, and you're not gonna find me out there picketing or anything, but I find it a very interesting decision nonetheless.

 

 

Scott "still thinks it should've been 'Shinga'" B.

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Or let's say Sea World had themed Manta to sharks instead, and called it "Shark Hunt."

 

This would have been the greatest thing ever. Someone steal this idea.

 

I think a lot of the Facebook complaining is not because of the name, but because the name that was "leaked" was not used, thereby denying enthusiasses the opportunity to gloat over how they were right about the name on their forums that are read by like three other people. Because remember everything is about being "right" about things these days.

 

And I'm sure that internet petition will work, since they've been so successful in the past. Look at how well it worked for Big Bad Wolf. Oh wait...

 

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I think a lot of the Facebook complaining is not because of the name, but because the name that was "leaked" was not used, thereby denying enthusiasses the opportunity to gloat over how they were right about the name on their forums that are read by like three other people. Because remember everything is about being "right" about things these days.

I made that point on facebook and nobody seems to be responding to it. I honestly think that's the bottom line. They were wrong and now are throwing an e-tantrum.

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Now that I have seen the facebook page I have to say that I find the parks response to this issue disappointing- and very un-Busch like. They will not directly address the real concern that fans have about the insensitivity of the word HUNT. Instead they have only stated that they can't believe anyone would think that it refers to hunting cheetahs, and how they are disappointed that this is the attention they are getting from the ride. That is NOT a response

 

A better response would be:

To all complainers: We are a wildlife conservatory, we can't believe anyone would think that Cheetah Hunt refers to hunting cheetahs.

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A better response would be:

To all complainers: We are a wildlife conservatory, we can't believe anyone would think that Cheetah Hunt refers to hunting cheetahs.

 

EXACTLY!

 

+1...

"And more to the point, we can't even think of other animals that would even hunt a cheetah."

 

This is what happens when shows like Jersey Shore become more prevalent than say.. school.

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Very long time reader/first time poster here. I still have some TPR VHS tapes to give you an idea, hehe. 10 + years and I check the site for updates daily. Robb, Elissa and everyone else, you do a fantastic job.

 

With all due respect to this first time poster, I feel like I need to respond to this.

 

It is more than just a name.

 

I am new to the forums here, and I look forward to becoming a productive contributor in discussions. I have a strong opinion of the name of this attraction, and I hope no one thinks too poorly of me for my first post being a complaint. I will try to explain my position briefly.

 

To begin I would like to remind everyone of a simple concept of communication. It does not matter WHAT you say, but HOW your audience interprets it. In other words BGT may be inferring that we the riders are a cheetah on the hunt; however many people are clearly interpreting the name to mean that we are HUNTING cheetahs. I know when I heard the name that is what I first thought. Therefore to many people, BGT is promoting the hunting of an endangered animal.... O.k... maybe that is being a little dramatic- but at the very least they are equating it to an thrilling adventure.

 

As an Animal Care Specialist working in zoos for the past ten years, I find the name of this attraction offensive and appalling. Our role in zoos is to inspire our guests to want to protect and conserve the animals that they view. We do this by allowing guests to view animals in a safe, up-close setting; therefore allowing them to connect with those animals- and remind them that we share this planet with incredible species of life. To use the word HUNT in any capacity goes against this goal, and is insensitive.

 

I understand that this is a roller coaster site, and coasters are your main focus. However just to emphasize my point- look at how many of you have already proclaimed that the name doesn't matter- it is all about the ride. If the ride is great who cares what the name might insinuate? Well I do, all the other animal keepers in the world do, and I would have thought that BGT did.

 

I don't mean to be over-dramatic over a name, but realize I have chosen animal conservation as my profession, and it means a lot to me. To see another zoo pull something like this is disappointing.

 

Thanks for reading- I hope to be able to have some great positive discussion in the further!

 

MOD EDIT: Link deleted as it violates TPR's TOS that you agreed to in registering on the site.

 

It's first important to realize that language is our servant, not our master. We made it, we agree upon it, and we often change it. We created it and therefore it's our servant, not our master.

 

I've always loved animals and I've often considered becoming an animal care specialist and I'm still relatively young so I may still, yet I don't find this name offensive or appalling in the slightest bit. In the press release they make it perfectly clear that the riders are the cheetah.

it races across a portion of the Serengeti Plain, staying close to the ground to give guests the experience of a cheetah sprinting across the plains. Elements such as over-banked turns, air-time parabolas and a heart line roll inversion imitate the agile creature chasing its prey, leaping and pouncing into the Nairobi area

There is absolutely no confusion there. I don't think any "cheetah hunters" can run 60 mph. The trains are also going to look like cheetahs and I wouldn't be surprised if there's signs in the queue, educating guests about these awesome cats. Busch Gardens is very well known and respected for taking nothing but the best care for their animals, plus cheetahs are only in Africa and hunting them is very illegal. Common sense says there's absolutely no way this park would ever consider an attraction about killing endangered animals.

 

When the ride is finished it will be abundantly clear what the intention is and even if somehow people still interpret it wrong, what's the worst that's going to happen? Are they going to be like, "That ride was so much fun it makes me want to go to Africa and risk my life by hunting cheetahs!" Come on now.

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I don't know what people expect. Do you think that by complaining enough, Busch Gardens is going to spend even more money on top of the millions they already spent advertising this ride, and then suddenly rename it? What's the use? Can we please get back to the discussion on the ride itself? Please? I've really enjoyed reading this thread up until now. It's a moot point.

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I dont know if anyone else has mention this yet but that main support column with the wild mouse lookin figure 8 section is prety sweet looking from a visual standpoint. That should be a great centerpiece for the ride hanging over the midway. I wonder how they are going to transition this new Cheetah section into the Egypt section on down the road (maybe the two sections aren't as close as I remember them being).

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Oh and I think this ride looks absolutely awesome. I finally rode Maverick a few weeks ago and that's in my top ten steel coasters for sure. The trenches and waterfalls on this, three launches, and that unique tower element in the middle ... yes please. I've been to BGW but still haven't been down to BGT. Even if what replaces big bad wolf is very similiar to this, I need to ride it.

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After considering many posters opinions I have decided that I need to relax my feelings for the name of this attraction... for now. To be fair to the park I will hold further judgement until the attraction opens, and make a decision about the name after it opens.

 

Overall I like posting on the site so far- I honestly feared many posters would jump down my throat, but everyone has been really respectful here. I have enjoyed reading everyone's thoughts on the matter, thanks!

 

And Bonemachine-- I think it is awesome you are considering a career in the animal care field. If you have any questions, or anything I can help with feel free to message me!

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Overall I like posting on the site so far- I honestly feared many posters would jump down my throat, but everyone has been really respectful here. I have enjoyed reading everyone's thoughts on the matter, thanks!

That's great to hear. I think everyone just needs to remember (and learn) that people get reactions based on how they present themselves. If their opinions are sound, and presented maturely, most people will respond in kind. If you're one of those loud, boisterous, obnoxious "I'm RIGHT and you're WRONG! WRONG! WRONG!" people...well, you usually find out what "BanTron" means!

 

Thanks for keeping the discussion civil guys. The last few pages have been well presented.

 

--Robb "Weeding out the annoying keeps the posts at higher quality!" Alvey

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So honestly...I'm not too enthralled with this ride. I don't really like the layout. I love launches so I'm sure it will be fun, but it seems like a bunch of random turns and straight sections...and that's about it (save for the random figure-eight thing). I'm more interested in what this means for BGE. Hmmmmm...?

 

On a different note, does anyone else think this would have made a good Vekoma motorbike coaster? Not in a chee(tah)sy way (like the trains would be cheetahs and you would ride them; TPR would have fun with that, I'm sure), but more like the layout. I think it would have been cool.

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So honestly...I'm not too enthralled with this ride. I don't really like the layout. I love launches so I'm sure it will be fun, but it seems like a bunch of random turns and straight sections...and that's about it (save for the random figure-eight thing). I'm more interested in what this means for BGE. Hmmmmm...?

 

On a different note, does anyone else think this would have made a good Vekoma motorbike coaster? Not in a chee(tah)sy way (like the trains would be cheetahs and you would ride them; TPR would have fun with that, I'm sure), but more like the layout. I think it would have been cool.

 

 

You just came up with a great backup name and theme for Cheetah Hunt,"Harold and Kumar's Wild Cheetah Ride".

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On a different note, does anyone else think this would have made a good Vekoma motorbike coaster? Not in a chee(tah)sy way (like the trains would be cheetahs and you would ride them; TPR would have fun with that, I'm sure), but more like the layout. I think it would have been cool.

But then you would have people arguing that the ride encourages people to go to Africa and jump on a Cheetah's back while it hunts it's prey.

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