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Holy crap you nerds are a tough crowd.  It looks like a coaster that will make me hoot and holler the entire time I'm on it while simultaneously trying to throw my fat ass as far from the train as pos

It means that you can look forward to a fun-filled day riding Kumba, Montu, Cheetah Hunt and Sheikra and while you're in line for one of those you might be able to watch an Iron Gwazi POV on your phon

I actually agree with many of you talking about how the RMC's are all very similar.  And that's fine. There's nothing wrong with building a ton of very similar kick ass rides when most people who ride

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You know what they could do that would blow our minds is tear down the tiger side and put in a intamin strata coaster in its place and put the iron horse treatment on the lion side with a lsm launch hill.

 

Also if any has rct3 or nolimits on their computer we need to recreate for posterity's sake since this was the only dueling wood coaster that wasn't a sidebyside design I would do it myself but my harddrive gave up the ghost and I don't have the money to fix it.

 

U.B.D. Over and out

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I believe the story about the ground not being stable enough for a tower ride.

 

Florida sits on top of an aquifer. The Floridian Aquifer is an underground system of water filled caves and caverns. This is where Florida residents who live in the country get their water. A long pipe is inserted into the ground, and a pump draws the water into the home. (During a storm, when the electric goes out, there is NO running water!)

 

Above the aquifer, is a limestone layer, then soil, then surface.

 

If you dig too deep in Florida, you will hit water.

 

Here is an example:

 

The limestone acts as a natural filter, and the water comes out like this:

 

Now, this did not stop Universal from building two towers side by side. Perhaps because BGT is so close to the Gulf coast, they may want to play it safe.

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I believe the story about the ground not being stable enough for a tower ride.

 

Florida sits on top of an aquifer. The Floridian Aquifer is an underground system of water filled caves and caverns. This is where Florida residents who live in the country get their water. A long pipe is inserted into the ground, and a pump draws the water into the home. (During a storm, when the electric goes out, there is NO running water!)

 

Above the aquifer, is a limestone layer, then soil, then surface.

 

If you dig too deep in Florida, you will hit water.

 

Be careful with this information... I can't speak for the Tampa Bay area and am no expert, but Florida is a VERY diverse state with differences in water sources. I'm not saying your information is wrong, but having gone to college in Tampa, and then transferring down to Southwest Florida, I know there are a lot of differences between not only the ecosystems but the land we're on. Gulf Coast vs. Atlantic Coast, North vs. South, coastal vs. inland, ect... It's all very different. That drawing seems too generic to be labeled for all of Florida. Though it's right saying if you dig deep enough you will spring water.

I know the Tampa Bay area has been in the news a lot for having a lot of problems with sink-holes, but I can't imagine that stopping them from building a tower vs. a 200ft Dive Coaster. I'm sure the same concerns have been brought up before. This isn't something new.

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Also if any has rct3 or nolimits on their computer we need to recreate for posterity's sake since this was the only dueling wood coaster that wasn't a sidebyside design

 

Lightning Racer?

Stampida?

Dauling Dragons?

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In regards to a Drop Tower and Soil Conditions. Couldn't they just Drive Piles to Bedrock like a lot of Coasters and Rides? Lagoon has 3 Coasters (one under construction) built on Piles...Wicked, BomBora, and their new "Mega" Coaster.

 

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but having gone to college in Tampa, and then transferring down to Southwest Florida, I know there are a lot of differences between not only the ecosystems but the land we're on.

 

I know the Tampa Bay area has been in the news a lot for having a lot of problems with sink-holes, but I can't imagine that stopping them from building a tower vs. a 200ft Dive Coaster. I'm sure the same concerns have been brought up before. This isn't something new.

 

The state of Florida is known for having Karst topography in many places. The reason why sinkholes form is because the natural acidity in surface water eventually sinks down to the limestone most of Florida sits on and erodes it away. Most of them happen in central Florida, which is probably why Busch might be hesitant of building too big since sinkholes tend to make headlines whenever someone's house gets swallowed. This article gives a brief overview about Florida's geology and that it's basically similar for most of the state except for maybe the northern parts where there are hills and the Everglades.

 

I never thought I'd learn something from Earth science class.

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If Busch decides not to build a drop tower I am sure sink holes will have played no part in that decision.

 

The sink holes are not necessarily caused by construction, you yourself said it was a water thing. If designed properly building it will have no adverse effects on neighboring soil stability.

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I'm not saying I'm a sinkhole expert, far from it, we just get them up here in the Northeast.

 

That being said, while construction could trigger one, its all construction, not just drop towers .

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^The taller the structure, the bigger/deeper the piles. It may just not be cost effective.
Lagoon is going up over 200ft on piles that are down 120ft. They are big 24" diameter piles as well. Wonder how deep they would have to go in Florida.

 

-Sid

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I don't want to beat this one to death, but just wanted to put another Engineers' stamp on it... Bear with me as I nerd out on this.

 

As part of the design for any large foundation, be it for a building, bridge or large ride, soil borings are made to determine the soil properties at different depths. In a case like this, one large foundation would only require one or two borings to be pretty accurate, unlike a long bridge that may have nearly 100.

 

A tall structure doesn't necessarily need deeper piles, it all depends on the soil. Looking at old pictures from Dragster construction, I believe each leg of the tower is on one large spread footing. Most, if not all of the foundations for Cheetah Hunt are spread footings as well. I've worked on quite a few foundations in the Tampa area that only consist of 30'x30' spread footings, some supporting upwards of 2.1 million pounds.

 

That's not to say piles couldn't be necessary. Florida gets pretty unique in terms of Geotechnical Engineering, as we usually don't have any rock layer to bear on, usually just a very dense sand layer. The really long piles have most of their capacity from the friction between the soil and the surface area of a pile. Take the bridge on SR 408 over Lake Underhill by the executive airport for example. That lake is really just a sinkhole. The bridge is supported on piles 30" square nearly 200 feet in depth, the longest in the state of Florida. The first 100 feet of soil is so weak, it's considered to add no capacity to the pile.

 

I've seen many foundations in quite a few states - you could put me down as surprised if the foundation became cost prohibitive.

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I appreciate engineers chipping in their actual knowledge than my amateur analysis.

 

In other relevant rumors, Screamscape just posted this...

 

Late 2013 to Mid 2014 - Drop Tower / Desert Dive - Planning - (4/17/13) More changes have been made to the park’s rehab schedule, especially the dates for the four Tumbuktu attractions. All four of those rides (Sandstorm, Bush Flyers, Desert Runners and the Kiddie Train) are all listed as closing down on June 3rd. However... a more important change is the fact that the Sandstorm is now listed with a December 31st reopening date. So far we have assumed that this meant the other three attractions would be removed from the park entirely, but previously the park was intending to move Sandstorm to a new location instead, as it still is really the only true thrilling flat ride in the entire park.

 

That said... this does match up to the strange rumor I received a couple of weeks ago and was not ready to believe at the time. According to that secret source, the plans for Sandstorm had changed and it too would be removed from the park, and would find a new home up in Sesame Place instead for next season.

 

Granted, there's also Phoenix too as a "thrilling flat ride," but it would suck to lose Sandstorm if you ask me since it is a fun ride. I always felt BGT never had much in the flat ride department. But if it does happen, it would fit in at Sesame Place quite well since it is a great family ride.

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^Yeah, I'm not even a huge flat ride fan but I've always thought BGT's selection was a bit lacking. Even the sparse selection of flat rides they have are all isolated to TImbuktu. Would be nice to see them put something in Eypt or even Stanleyville or the Congo.

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Sandstorm was one of the few rides that I would willingly go on as a kid (along with the Crazy Camel), even before I was alright riding roller coasters. I'll admit that I haven't given it the time of day during my last few visits, but I do feel that it'd be a shame to see it go...

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Sandstorm is going to have a super long rehab. They changed it and it opens towards the end of the year now. It is also rumored to be going to Sesame place for the next season. I hope it stays because it and Phoenix are the best flat rides in the park. Nothing has been heard about Phoenix moving as it better stay. It's a really sick ride.

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I don't know about the drop tower, but I would love to see a frisbee type ride go into the park, something like Maxair at Cedar Point. As for Sandstorm I don't ride it much since the last time I did I got a bad headache. I guess it must be old age setting in or something. I remember when I was younger I rode spin and puke rides no problem, but didn't care for upside down rides or coasters. Now it's the opposite, I love upside down and all the coasters.

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I'm really curious as to the rumor of other flat rides like Phoenix in Timbuktu leaving as well. Assuming a drop tower is in the park's future, and the ride's location relative to Sandstorm, that opens up the space to even more use.

 

That being said, I still think it'd be a smart idea to utilize the massive Timbuktu Theater space (home to Sesame Street 4D and Pirates 4D) for something more. Timbuktu could make for a great location for a Busch-style dark ride like DarKastle.

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While I think that Phoenix is a great ride it might get unprofitable due to its age someday soon. Something like a Technical Park Loop-Fighter would be a cool replacement.

 

That said I think many US parks I've visited so far lack flats compared to EU parks - they should file some orders at Technical Park, KMG or Huss to stack up the variety.

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Perhaps you meant popular, not profitable?

 

Phoenix is a very reliable ride with decent capacity for a flat ride with one vehicle. Not to mention quite fun! Not only for riders, but onlookers as well.

 

 

^^I remember Crazy Camel!!

 

I wish they were able to save the simulator. Let's face it, when they put in Akbar Adventure Tours the ride went downhill. I do believe that building would be PERFECT for a drop tower, or a pair of drop towers.

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